Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Aaron Rodgers threw fewer than 60 passes over three seasons and he turned out ok.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Aaron Rodgers threw fewer than 60 passes over three seasons and he turned out ok.

He also played at junior college and Cal. Not really apples to apples.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
too much Trey hopium around here, the dude hasn't played one NFL snap yet, lets see how he handles his first preseason game and go from there...

Lots of rookie QBs start their first game, not sure that argument makes sense. The argument for keeping him on the bench is his lack of experience in the college ranks and the fact that most teams with rookie QBs aren't as good. But the idea that he'll get better by not playing after not playing for almost 2 years seems iffy at best.

i like to think of it as the College program way of handling things. The % of true freshman starting for the best schools is very rare. They often sit, get better than play without many issues.

It's just one year, which he won't actually sit the entire year.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i like to think of it as the College program way of handling things. The % of true freshman starting for the best schools is very rare. They often sit, get better than play without many issues.

It's just one year, which he won't actually sit the entire year.

Those top schools usually have a top QB on the roster that's already playing. A lot of those first year QBs don't really crush it from day 1 either, but the snaps they took helped them a lot in developing into top tier guys.

We're either gonna have to deal with Lance's bumps in the road this yr or next yr...him sitting for a full year isn't gonna change that imo. Unless Jimmy is playing at a MVP level, I'm throwing in Lance this yr at some point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i like to think of it as the College program way of handling things. The % of true freshman starting for the best schools is very rare. They often sit, get better than play without many issues.

It's just one year, which he won't actually sit the entire year.

Those top schools usually have a top QB on the roster that's already playing. A lot of those first year QBs don't really crush it from day 1 either, but the snaps they took helped them a lot in developing into top tier guys.

We're either gonna have to deal with Lance's bumps in the road this yr or next yr...him sitting for a full year isn't gonna change that imo. Unless Jimmy is playing at a MVP level, I'm throwing in Lance this yr at some point.

by Lance not playing this past year, in your eyes is already better than a NFL vet in Jimmy and should start. That doesn't add up. because he really didn't play or practice with the team all/most of the year. But somehow, Him being the back up this year and actually trainning under NFL way of things...He will actually get worse ? I just don't see it.. Like someone else here said, has anyone (QBs) said they didn't benefit from not starting their first year ?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i like to think of it as the College program way of handling things. The % of true freshman starting for the best schools is very rare. They often sit, get better than play without many issues.

It's just one year, which he won't actually sit the entire year.

Those top schools usually have a top QB on the roster that's already playing. A lot of those first year QBs don't really crush it from day 1 either, but the snaps they took helped them a lot in developing into top tier guys.

We're either gonna have to deal with Lance's bumps in the road this yr or next yr...him sitting for a full year isn't gonna change that imo. Unless Jimmy is playing at a MVP level, I'm throwing in Lance this yr at some point.

how could you not think he would benefit sitting a year though. I would say start him if we didnt have a chance to win the SB with Jimmy G but we do. Were easily a playoff team now if healthy.

Lance had fewer than 320 college attempts at QB thats the fewest for a top 5 pick by far and i dont think we will ever see a qb throw less than that again. And now were asking him to play in the NFL and he didnt exactly play in a tough conference in college.

I say let him sit go through TC a nd practice and start him later in the year or next year.

Trey is a monster - he's good.

If it's close start Trey.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by ninerjok:

Originally posted by 4ML:
This x 10000000

IMO sitting him for the hell of it makes no sense. You don't get magically better by sitting. He hasn't played in a year and half - he needs to face live bullets to get familiar with NFL speed.

If he's ready to play - he should play. He has been preparing for NFL since Nov. 2020. None of us are saying - start him if he's struggling with the playbook, or play-calling, or reading the coverages, etc.

If he can execute Shanahan's playbook the way Shanahan wants him to - then he should play.

And, I strongly believed before the draft and I will say it again - he's the most pro-ready QB. Mentally - he was seen as the smartest QB in the draft. Physically -he is already elite. So, I don't see any point in just sitting him if he's ready to play.

Just because he doesn't start right away doesn't mean he's sitting on the bench "for the hell of it". If he doesn't give them the best chance to win then obviously it's not for just no reason. But if he does then certainly start him from day 1, I have no problem with that.

There are ppl proposing that he should sit for a year. I disagree with that.

I also disagree with - if Lance doesn't give them the best chance to win in week 1 - he should sit. IMO - if he gives us a chance to win games - he should start. No best chance or whatever...bc if he starts early - imo he gives us the best chance to win when real games matter and to get him ready for that - he needs to get as many games under his belt as possible.

I think people forget how freaking talented Jimmy actually is, and how relatively "bad" rookie quarterbacks are in comparison. There is a massive learning curve that people just seem to want to forget about. Very, very, very few rookie QBs play as good as Jimmy did in 2017 & 2019.

and before I hear.. "it was the team"
2017 = 1-10 team talent-wise.
2019 = Top 3 OTs out for the first 8 games, and throwing to Bourne, Pettis & Richie James as his WRs for the first half of the season. And that was coming off an ACL with noticeably reduced arm strength and accuracy.

If you're rooting for the team, go root for Jimmy to take us to the ship and win the MVP. He's more likely to do it than Trey is likely to be the first rookie QB to ever do it

Originally posted by genus49:
We're not ONLY concerned with doing whatever gives us the best change to win right now...but you have the team to win now so it would be bad to ignore that.

Players know Trey is the long term solution but until he's the best QB on the roster he shouldn't be handed the job unless he's at least on the same level or just a hair under Jimmy because he offers more physically.

Still it's a bad precedent to set to replace a guy who helped the team go to the SB with a rookie before he shows he deserves the job.

Are there really people suggesting he should be handed the job, though?

Originally posted by Wewillwin:
I think people forget how freaking talented Jimmy actually is, and how relatively "bad" rookie quarterbacks are in comparison. There is a massive learning curve that people just seem to want to forget about. Very, very, very few rookie QBs play as good as Jimmy did in 2017 & 2019.

and before I hear.. "it was the team"
2017 = 1-10 team talent-wise.
2019 = Top 3 OTs out for the first 8 games, and throwing to Bourne, Pettis & Richie James as his WRs for the first half of the season. And that was coming off an ACL with noticeably reduced arm strength and accuracy.

If you're rooting for the team, go root for Jimmy to take us to the ship and win the MVP. He's more likely to do it than Trey is likely to be the first rookie QB to ever do it

Lol you are comparing Jimmy to QBs who shouldn't be playing. Is Jimmy insanely talented compared to guys like beat hard, Mullens & hoyer?? Absolutely. Is he insanely talented compared to your average NFL QB? Nope. He is exactly that: an average QB playing for an elite play caller/designer

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Wewillwin:
I think people forget how freaking talented Jimmy actually is, and how relatively "bad" rookie quarterbacks are in comparison. There is a massive learning curve that people just seem to want to forget about. Very, very, very few rookie QBs play as good as Jimmy did in 2017 & 2019.

and before I hear.. "it was the team"
2017 = 1-10 team talent-wise.
2019 = Top 3 OTs out for the first 8 games, and throwing to Bourne, Pettis & Richie James as his WRs for the first half of the season. And that was coming off an ACL with noticeably reduced arm strength and accuracy.

If you're rooting for the team, go root for Jimmy to take us to the ship and win the MVP. He's more likely to do it than Trey is likely to be the first rookie QB to ever do it

Lol you are comparing Jimmy to QBs who shouldn't be playing. Is Jimmy insanely talented compared to guys like beat hard, Mullens & hoyer?? Absolutely. Is he insanely talented compared to your average NFL QB? Nope. He is exactly that: an average QB playing for an elite play caller/designer

What are people watching and not understanding. The words insanely and talented together don't belong to JG. Better than Mullins yes. Trey is insanely talented. Jimmy is a poor man's Romo.That knee finished JG mentally.

Originally posted by socal1632:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Wewillwin:
I think people forget how freaking talented Jimmy actually is, and how relatively "bad" rookie quarterbacks are in comparison. There is a massive learning curve that people just seem to want to forget about. Very, very, very few rookie QBs play as good as Jimmy did in 2017 & 2019.

and before I hear.. "it was the team"
2017 = 1-10 team talent-wise.
2019 = Top 3 OTs out for the first 8 games, and throwing to Bourne, Pettis & Richie James as his WRs for the first half of the season. And that was coming off an ACL with noticeably reduced arm strength and accuracy.

If you're rooting for the team, go root for Jimmy to take us to the ship and win the MVP. He's more likely to do it than Trey is likely to be the first rookie QB to ever do it

Lol you are comparing Jimmy to QBs who shouldn't be playing. Is Jimmy insanely talented compared to guys like beat hard, Mullens & hoyer?? Absolutely. Is he insanely talented compared to your average NFL QB? Nope. He is exactly that: an average QB playing for an elite play caller/designer

What are people watching and not understanding. The words insanely and talented together don't belong to JG. Better than Mullins yes. Trey is insanely talented. Jimmy is a poor man's Romo.That knee finished JG mentally.

I agree - that knee had a big time affect on him.

Originally posted by 4ML:
There are ppl proposing that he should sit for a year. I disagree with that.

I also disagree with - if Lance doesn't give them the best chance to win in week 1 - he should sit. IMO - if he gives us a chance to win games - he should start. No best chance or whatever...bc if he starts early - imo he gives us the best chance to win when real games matter and to get him ready for that - he needs to get as many games under his belt as possible.

Crux of the argument summed up above. It's not really a question of 'if' anymore. All signs point to when (if you buy the media hype--which I understand the reservations in so doing). That is the balancing act the coaches have to figure out. Glad it's not on me

Let's slow the Trey hype train a bit.

He's played 1 college game in more than a year. At a lower division school.

Kyle's playbook takes 2 years to feel comfortable. We've all read that.

OTAs mean nothing. At all.

Training camp means marginally more.

Preseason games are never a good barometer except for fringe players.

Jimmy is the starter until an injury or terrible stretch. He's the best chance for a winning season and Super Bowl run.

Trey is not ready for live NFL action. Yet. And that's OK.