Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
Let's slow the Trey hype train a bit.

He's played 1 college game in more than a year. At a lower division school.

Kyle's playbook takes 2 years to feel comfortable. We've all read that.

OTAs mean nothing. At all.

Training camp means marginally more.

Preseason games are never a good barometer except for fringe players.

Jimmy is the starter until an injury or terrible stretch. He's the best chance for a winning season and Super Bowl run.

Trey is not ready for live NFL action. Yet. And that's OK.

RG3 anyone???

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by socal1632:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Wewillwin:
I think people forget how freaking talented Jimmy actually is, and how relatively "bad" rookie quarterbacks are in comparison. There is a massive learning curve that people just seem to want to forget about. Very, very, very few rookie QBs play as good as Jimmy did in 2017 & 2019.

and before I hear.. "it was the team"
2017 = 1-10 team talent-wise.
2019 = Top 3 OTs out for the first 8 games, and throwing to Bourne, Pettis & Richie James as his WRs for the first half of the season. And that was coming off an ACL with noticeably reduced arm strength and accuracy.

If you're rooting for the team, go root for Jimmy to take us to the ship and win the MVP. He's more likely to do it than Trey is likely to be the first rookie QB to ever do it

Lol you are comparing Jimmy to QBs who shouldn't be playing. Is Jimmy insanely talented compared to guys like beat hard, Mullens & hoyer?? Absolutely. Is he insanely talented compared to your average NFL QB? Nope. He is exactly that: an average QB playing for an elite play caller/designer

What are people watching and not understanding. The words insanely and talented together don't belong to JG. Better than Mullins yes. Trey is insanely talented. Jimmy is a poor man's Romo.That knee finished JG mentally.

I agree - that knee had a big time affect on him.

The knee definitely had an affect on him 1 year out. No reason to think it's not fully healed now like most ACL's do these days.

Jimmy is a very talented QB. His release is elite, his 3rd down effectiveness - aka when Kyle's relatively handcuffed as a play caller and when he gets smacked constantly by our oline that can't pass protect - has been terrific. This will be the first year he'd have actual weapons outside of Kittle.

I am not comparing him to Mullens or Beathard.. I am comparing him to the top 12 QBs in the world and he's absolutely "talented" enough to be in that category. We all saw it when he ripped off 5 straight on a 1-10 talent level team throwing to Trent Taylor and Marquise Goodwin, and then again when he absolutely helped us get to a Super Bowl.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
They played so much better in the 2nd half of the season. And s**ts gonna happen in the playoffs. You can't have the bar be, beat every team without a issue.

On top of that, they won it their first year with Brady. All their starters from last year are back as well, Brady with a good understanding of that system now. They are the team to beat. Outside of them having bad injuries, it's hard to not see them in the SB again

Brady wasn't really that good in the playoffs, go look at his numbers overall. In the SB he didn't really have to do much, it was basically that DL teeing off on Mahomes all game. It was weird how little was discussed about Mahomes' line before the game. Literally that whole OL was revamped and with some pretty s**tty backups overall.

I do not think they're the best team in football. Like you said s**t gonna happen in the playoffs, it's all about getting there...that's exactly what happened for them...just went right for them.

We will see, that's one of the things I love about the NFL there's so much turnover and good/bad teams can change so quickly.

True NY. Brady wasn't good at all in the playoffs. He had a solid SB but didn't have to do much. KC doesn't have a very good defense and if they played Wash without the injuries they would of lost. He threw 3 ints in 7 pass attempts vs GB. That's got to be a record in playoff history. If the niners are healthy they can be the team to beat just as much as TB.

if Trey does pull a RW and looks great he will certainly be handed the starting job and KS will be dialing up plays like a mad scientist

Trey will eventually start. KS isn't going to hesitate to put him out there if JG struggles like he did last year against ARI, MIA, SEA. He is at much higher risk of injury due to lack of mobility. Two ankle sprains can be blamed partly on oline but also on him for not moving out of the way/releasing the ball quicker. JG is limited and there is nothing that can change that. Trey has all the physical traits to be elite just needs playing time to become an elite QB in the NFL.

Given trey's insane work ethic and genius playcaller behind him, it's only a matter of time before hes a top 5 QB in the league.

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Trey will eventually start. KS isn't going to hesitate to put him out there if JG struggles like he did last year against ARI, MIA, SEA. He is at much higher risk of injury due to lack of mobility. Two ankle sprains can be blamed partly on oline but also on him for not moving out of the way/releasing the ball quicker. JG is limited and there is nothing that can change that. Trey has all the physical traits to be elite just needs playing time to become an elite QB in the NFL.

Given trey's insane work ethic and genius playcaller behind him, it's only a matter of time before hes a top 5 QB in the league.

Nice post, I concur

Originally posted by Wewillwin:
The knee definitely had an affect on him 1 year out. No reason to think it's not fully healed now like most ACL's do these days.

Jimmy is a very talented QB. His release is elite, his 3rd down effectiveness - aka when Kyle's relatively handcuffed as a play caller and when he gets smacked constantly by our oline that can't pass protect - has been terrific. This will be the first year he'd have actual weapons outside of Kittle.

I am not comparing him to Mullens or Beathard.. I am comparing him to the top 12 QBs in the world and he's absolutely "talented" enough to be in that category. We all saw it when he ripped off 5 straight on a 1-10 talent level team throwing to Trent Taylor and Marquise Goodwin, and then again when he absolutely helped us get to a Super Bowl.

Excellent, knowledgeable post. And though he had Deebo in 2019, it was Deebo as a rookie at one of the toughest spots for a rookie to start in this league, WR. Garoppolo didn't have Sanders until Game 7 after the trade. And, as you mentioned, Garoppolo had to deal with a not-great pass blocking OL.

It's revealing to me about a few in here who jump in this thread to throw up stuff like "Lance will replace Garoppolo by Game __ this year" or "Lance could just step right in and do what Garoppolo did in 2019 in this offense," like it's just that easy for so many QBs, let alone a 21-year-old rookie with limited college playing time at a school like North Dakota St. Garoppolo had a very good, Top 12 QB season in 2019 - and no, "many" QBs could not have just been plugged into this Shanahan offense and performed as he did.

Hoping Lance gets his NFL career off to a good start but I'm also being realistic about Year 1 expectations given what I mentioned above, what I've heard about picking up this scheme, and what I've seen in this league over many years involving rookie QBs. In the meantime, looking forward to seeing Garoppolo rise to the challenge this season and improve upon what he showed in 2019.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Excellent, knowledgeable post. And though he had Deebo in 2019, it was Deebo as a rookie at one of the toughest spots for a rookie to start in this league, WR. Garoppolo didn't have Sanders until Game 7 after the trade. And, as you mentioned, Garoppolo had to deal with a not-great pass blocking OL.

It's revealing to me about a few in here who jump in this thread to throw up stuff like "Lance will replace Garoppolo by Game __ this year" or "Lance could just step right in and do what Garoppolo did in 2019 in this offense," like it's just that easy for so many QBs, let alone a 21-year-old rookie with limited college playing time at a school like North Dakota St. Garoppolo had a very good, Top 12 QB season in 2019 - and no, "many" QBs could not have just been plugged into this Shanahan offense and performed as he did.

Hoping Lance gets his NFL career off to a good start but I'm also being realistic about Year 1 expectations given what I mentioned above, what I've heard about picking up this scheme, and what I've seen in this league over many years involving rookie QBs. In the meantime, looking forward to seeing Garoppolo rise to the challenge this season and improve upon what he showed in 2019.

Look, I know what I am about to say is based on a small sample size--but, constantly people bring up 2017 and 2019. The 49ers are going into 2021. In 2020 (the last time JG played) he looked average to bad, almost the entirety of his playtime. I mean, he looked good for a bit against the Jets, but I am not sure that's endorsement worthy. I'll wait to see what JG does now, instead of living in the (in terms of the NFL) distant past

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Excellent, knowledgeable post. And though he had Deebo in 2019, it was Deebo as a rookie at one of the toughest spots for a rookie to start in this league, WR. Garoppolo didn't have Sanders until Game 7 after the trade. And, as you mentioned, Garoppolo had to deal with a not-great pass blocking OL.

It's revealing to me about a few in here who jump in this thread to throw up stuff like "Lance will replace Garoppolo by Game __ this year" or "Lance could just step right in and do what Garoppolo did in 2019 in this offense," like it's just that easy for so many QBs, let alone a 21-year-old rookie with limited college playing time at a school like North Dakota St. Garoppolo had a very good, Top 12 QB season in 2019 - and no, "many" QBs could not have just been plugged into this Shanahan offense and performed as he did.

Hoping Lance gets his NFL career off to a good start but I'm also being realistic about Year 1 expectations given what I mentioned above, what I've heard about picking up this scheme, and what I've seen in this league over many years involving rookie QBs. In the meantime, looking forward to seeing Garoppolo rise to the challenge this season and improve upon what he showed in 2019.

Look, I know what I am about to say is based on a small sample size--but, constantly people bring up 2017 and 2019. The 49ers are going into 2021. In 2020 (the last time JG played) he looked average to bad, almost the entirety of his playtime. I mean, he looked good for a bit against the Jets, but I am not sure that's endorsement worthy. I'll wait to see what JG does now, instead of living in the (in terms of the NFL) distant past

You can't ignore those games in 2017 and the entire 2019 season, where Garoppolo started 19 straight games in 2019 and didn't come out of a single one of those games due to injury. What he put on film was what he put on film - and, during a time he was healthy. It wasn't all that long ago, and both times he was healthy so that's why it gets brought up. Now, you can talk about how he hasn't been healthy for so much of the time here so far, sure - that can't be argued with, unfortunately. You mention last year, or the last time Garoppolo played...did you watch each of those games closely? He didn't play very well vs. the Cards when he was healthy throughout; otherwise, starting with almost halfway through Game 2 vs. the Jets he was playing injured with a very bad high ankle sprain. And it showed if you watched him throw. Of course he's going to look average to bad during those games with that type of injury. Ever had a bad high ankle sprain? I have, and it very much shuts you down athletically. I'm surprised Garoppolo was able to get out there at all. I'm looking forward to seeing what he does this year, and yes, very much hoping he will stay healthy. I've seen him respond well to challenges in the past and I'm very much thinking he'll do the same thing this season, too.

This is the Lance thread so I'm not going to continue talking about Garoppolo. Go to that thread if you want to continue the conversation. Otherwise, I'm rooting for Garoppolo this season, I'm rooting for Lance this season, and I'm rooting for everyone on the Niners.

The real question should be

Can you win games with Lance?

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
Let's slow the Trey hype train a bit.

He's played 1 college game in more than a year. At a lower division school.

Kyle's playbook takes 2 years to feel comfortable. We've all read that.

OTAs mean nothing. At all.

Training camp means marginally more.

Preseason games are never a good barometer except for fringe players.

Jimmy is the starter until an injury or terrible stretch. He's the best chance for a winning season and Super Bowl run.

Trey is not ready for live NFL action. Yet. And that's OK.

RG3 anyone???

Right, also Jimmy himself rattled off 5 wins, after what 3 weeks in the system?

Kyle will adapt around Trey if he wants to start him (and he will).

Also I have no idea how you can have confidence in the bolded.

NFL Network's Gregg Rosenthal thinks we might see Lance sooner rather than later, though. Maybe much sooner.

"It's Trey Lance's job, essentially, to win in camp," Rosenthal told Rich Eisen on the Rich Eisen Show. "They spent this offseason evaluating and teaching. You know how it is. It's go time once you're about three or four days into camp. And if he is as good as they think he is, I think he'll be starting as soon as Week 1 if he is a little more accurate than he was in college.

"The amount of talent on that roster is breathtaking. To me, they are one of the favorites."

If that's the case ( I don't think week 1) they should absolutely ask Jimmy to take a pay cut...at that point you're not starting Jimmy or planning on for very long, so any legit trade compensation is gone...at the very least save some cash and have a great backup for a year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If that's the case ( I don't think week 1) they should absolutely ask Jimmy to take a pay cut...at that point you're not starting Jimmy or planning on for very long, so any legit trade compensation is gone...at the very least save some cash and have a great backup for a year.

Jimmy seems like the type of guy that would take a paycut if he gets beat out.

Go, Trey, go!

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If that's the case ( I don't think week 1) they should absolutely ask Jimmy to take a pay cut...at that point you're not starting Jimmy or planning on for very long, so any legit trade compensation is gone...at the very least save some cash and have a great backup for a year.

Jimmy seems like the type of guy that would take a paycut if he gets beat out.

Yeah I mean Jimmy has been a straight up pro with everything...he's a lot like Alex Smith in that regard.

It wouldn't be an awful thing for him either, he get's say something like $12M and becomes a FA in 2022. Can't get hurt if you don't play

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If that's the case ( I don't think week 1) they should absolutely ask Jimmy to take a pay cut...at that point you're not starting Jimmy or planning on for very long, so any legit trade compensation is gone...at the very least save some cash and have a great backup for a year.

Jimmy seems like the type of guy that would take a paycut if he gets beat out.

Yeah I mean Jimmy has been a straight up pro with everything...he's a lot like Alex Smith in that regard.

It wouldn't be an awful thing for him either, he get's say something like $12M and becomes a FA in 2022. Can't get hurt if you don't play

A paycut could also help facilitate a trade to another team desperate for a QB sometime before the deadline. So a starting job for Jimmy and a way to earn a bigger 2022 contract, plus salary cap relief and draft pick compensation for the 49ers.