Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

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Originally posted by fropwns:

Hahaha I literally just watched this in the last few minutes. It is a wild situation

Shanny throwing fuel on the fire. Love it.

It's the smart thing to do. I was shocked with the rhetoric before from him and Lynch, it created all this chaos and uncertainty - instead Of everyone being supported and talked highly of.

not saying they purposely did it or anything like that, but it just leaves the door open for all kinds of speculation. That's why I thought something was going on, I didn't understand why they didn't talk glowingly and confident from the get go.

Key takeaway is Lance being the best one they have. So we got Brock Purdy who is the leader in the clubhouse who's done it, Sam Darnold who is the best thrower of the football in franchise history and as good as there is, and Trey Lance who is the best of the bunch. Wild situation and fuel on the fire to say the least

He didnt say Lance is the best of the bunch, he said Lance looks the best he's ever looked. I may be mistaken but I believe some of the reports are reporting that incorrect - at least that's what I've seen in most article and when Kyle spoke about it.

That's kind of how I interpreted it too. Watched a 6 minute clip of that interview which was basically the 5 minutes leading up to and including the small 30 second clip that the media is running with.

Paraphrasing, but Shanny pretty much says "I believe Trey can be the guy we traded up for, but when it comes down to it Brock has done it on the field and looking at the tape confirms it wasn't a fluke and he's legit".

Very complimentary of both of them, and when Brock gets healthy we'll "see where we're at" which is basically coach speak for "no further comment".

TLDR: Brock's shown it, it's up to Trey to now show it too.

Okay cool. Hahaha wanted to make sure I'm not losing it.

it's a very fair assessment, especially since now we all know Lance has been injured. well his broke finger never healed correctly.

I think the issue regarding Trey's injury isn't so much that it hurt him in the season as it hurt him in the off-season, preventing him from working on his mechanics properly.

So if a finger doesn't heal correctly, how do you fix it? Why didn't he go get surgery to repair it last off season? (If surgery is how you fix it)

Eh, I suspect that sometimes they just take a long time to heal if you keep using them. And then it can take time to psychologically drop the ways you were previously compensating for the injury. I know the latter is true from personal experience, but I am no doctor.

So you're saying that the way it healed, he possibly didn't realize it wasn't healed properly? But it was screwing up his grip?

I'm saying the likely situation is that it healed fully AFTER the 2021 season. Meaning he got a slow start on his mechanics training and didn't have time to retrain himself before the 2022 season. You're not working on your mechanics in camp. You do that in the off-season.

What I'm curious about is when he realized it didn't heal correctly and how you fix that. Sounds like he didn't fix until he broke his ankle, well after a year of the initial finger breaking. I just don't know anything about fixing a poorly healed bone fracture, was wondering if anyone else could shed light

I don't know the full scenario, but I've had broken fingers many times. The biggest problem with them isn't that they take longer to heal or heal improperly, it's that so many nerve endings are in your fingers that even after it has healed, it may still hurt for some time. Trying to throw with a finger that feels broken is just about as bad.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
What I'm curious about is when he realized it didn't heal correctly and how you fix that. Sounds like he didn't fix until he broke his ankle, well after a year of the initial finger breaking. I just don't know anything about fixing a poorly healed bone fracture, was wondering if anyone else could shed light

yup, and when you look at the ankle, recall there were a lot of folks saying well TL may come back, the timeline has him back for season or playoffs, and of course we needed a QB, even with BP starting you would want TL backing up (as we know very well watching JJ / NFCCG)

but my understanding is the ankle didn't heal, he needed another procedure late season on the ankle if memory serves here.. so the finger didn't heal well at all nor did the ankle

Hmm idk if the ankle didn't heal right (I'm not a professional though and this isn't what I do for a living lmao) but the ankle healed fine - he just had to remove some bolts because of irritation, which I think is pretty standard but doesn't always have to Happen.

he didn't just break his ankle, he also dislocated his ankle - so it was two injuries in one. I guess I just never expected him back once I knew it broke because it was a bad ankle break.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

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Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

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Originally posted by fropwns:

Hahaha I literally just watched this in the last few minutes. It is a wild situation

Shanny throwing fuel on the fire. Love it.

It's the smart thing to do. I was shocked with the rhetoric before from him and Lynch, it created all this chaos and uncertainty - instead Of everyone being supported and talked highly of.

not saying they purposely did it or anything like that, but it just leaves the door open for all kinds of speculation. That's why I thought something was going on, I didn't understand why they didn't talk glowingly and confident from the get go.

Key takeaway is Lance being the best one they have. So we got Brock Purdy who is the leader in the clubhouse who's done it, Sam Darnold who is the best thrower of the football in franchise history and as good as there is, and Trey Lance who is the best of the bunch. Wild situation and fuel on the fire to say the least

He didnt say Lance is the best of the bunch, he said Lance looks the best he's ever looked. I may be mistaken but I believe some of the reports are reporting that incorrect - at least that's what I've seen in most article and when Kyle spoke about it.

That's kind of how I interpreted it too. Watched a 6 minute clip of that interview which was basically the 5 minutes leading up to and including the small 30 second clip that the media is running with.

Paraphrasing, but Shanny pretty much says "I believe Trey can be the guy we traded up for, but when it comes down to it Brock has done it on the field and looking at the tape confirms it wasn't a fluke and he's legit".

Very complimentary of both of them, and when Brock gets healthy we'll "see where we're at" which is basically coach speak for "no further comment".

TLDR: Brock's shown it, it's up to Trey to now show it too.

Okay cool. Hahaha wanted to make sure I'm not losing it.

it's a very fair assessment, especially since now we all know Lance has been injured. well his broke finger never healed correctly.

I think the issue regarding Trey's injury isn't so much that it hurt him in the season as it hurt him in the off-season, preventing him from working on his mechanics properly.

So if a finger doesn't heal correctly, how do you fix it? Why didn't he go get surgery to repair it last off season? (If surgery is how you fix it)

Eh, I suspect that sometimes they just take a long time to heal if you keep using them. And then it can take time to psychologically drop the ways you were previously compensating for the injury. I know the latter is true from personal experience, but I am no doctor.

So you're saying that the way it healed, he possibly didn't realize it wasn't healed properly? But it was screwing up his grip?

I'm saying the likely situation is that it healed fully AFTER the 2021 season. Meaning he got a slow start on his mechanics training and didn't have time to retrain himself before the 2022 season. You're not working on your mechanics in camp. You do that in the off-season.

What I'm curious about is when he realized it didn't heal correctly and how you fix that. Sounds like he didn't fix until he broke his ankle, well after a year of the initial finger breaking. I just don't know anything about fixing a poorly healed bone fracture, was wondering if anyone else could shed light

I don't know the full scenario, but I've had broken fingers many times. The biggest problem with them isn't that they take longer to heal or heal improperly, it's that so many nerve endings are in your fingers that even after it has healed, it may still hurt for some time. Trying to throw with a finger that feels broken is just about as bad.

I'd have to imagine he knew something was wrong for a long time and powered through it under the impression it would work it self out so he didn't miss time and/or get replaced etc. which in hindsight wasn't worth it but I totally understand it.

im just glad that news finally came out cause a big reason why I was so critical of him was his lack of development and accuracy issues - this helps shed light on why.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
No worries tankle, it's not a knock on your boy Purdy. That "right now" part could be because Purdy isn't throwing and sorry but it isn't hard for me to believe that Trey looks better then Darnold

Eisen heard it wrong. He says "Treys the best we've had him right now", meaning this is the best version of Trey we've had

#49ers Kyle Shanahan provides update on how Trey Lance has recovered from multiple injuries:

"I think Trey (Lance) is the best we've had him right now" pic.twitter.com/6UyYGfs3VU

— 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙎𝙁𝙉𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙧𝙨 (@TheSFNiners) May 11, 2023

Which means little to nothing until we actually see him on the field.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Rich Isen was in awe of Kyle in that piece. Imagine having a rookie 7th rounder take your team to the *NFC Championship* game and then you have a super talented guy in Trey who's (from just a physical standpoint) looking like Steve Young 2.0. waiting in the wings. He basically said what some folks here do know, is that Kyle does know what he's doing with regards to development of QB's. I still remember Steve Young's 51+ yard touchdown run against the Vikings and their number 1 defense and his great passing to Tyerell Owens. Give Steve Young a Bosa or an Aldon (before the DUI's) for Steve's entire career, and he'd easily have another two+ championships.

Trey hasn't shown squat to make people think he's Steve Young 2.0.

at PIT is a tough matchup
TJ Watt, SB winning HC, will be more of a challenge than at CHI imo

then at rival Rams, who we know are well coached, and look to have Stafford back
they play us tough and know what we like to do

no gimmies to start, for whoever the QB is

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Rich Isen was in awe of Kyle in that piece. Imagine having a rookie 7th rounder take your team to the *NFC Championship* game and then you have a super talented guy in Trey who's (from just a physical standpoint) looking like Steve Young 2.0. waiting in the wings. He basically said what some folks here do know, is that Kyle does know what he's doing with regards to development of QB's. I still remember Steve Young's 51+ yard touchdown run against the Vikings and their number 1 defense and his great passing to Tyerell Owens. Give Steve Young a Bosa or an Aldon (before the DUI's) for Steve's entire career, and he'd easily have another two+ championships.

Trey hasn't shown squat to make people think he's Steve Young 2.0.

Well, you did watch Kyle's interview at the Dwight Clark shing-ding? Kyle basically said he thinks Trey can become somebody like that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
at PIT is a tough matchup
TJ Watt, SB winning HC, will be more of a challenge than at CHI imo

then at rival Rams, who we know are well coached, and look to have Stafford back
they play us tough and know what we like to do

no gimmies to start, for whoever the QB is

Yeah, they won't be cake walks. I think the steelers game is the easier of the two - Pickett should be much improved but I think our defense will be way too much for him, especially with wilks coaching up our DB/S and Gravedigger/Bosa/Armstead ripping apart their o line. They'll probably switch Watt to Mckivitz to test him, it'll be a huge test for him.

the rams were super injured last year, so they could be much improved this year, it'll be interesting to see how Stafford looks now. If he's healed up or his injuries linger - good news for us is that 49ers fans travel well down to LA, so it won't be as hostile. We should win both but will require us to play good ball and not a super slow start like we have in recent seasons.

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Originally posted by SLCNiner:

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Originally posted by tankle104:

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Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Hahaha I literally just watched this in the last few minutes. It is a wild situation

Shanny throwing fuel on the fire. Love it.

It's the smart thing to do. I was shocked with the rhetoric before from him and Lynch, it created all this chaos and uncertainty - instead Of everyone being supported and talked highly of.

not saying they purposely did it or anything like that, but it just leaves the door open for all kinds of speculation. That's why I thought something was going on, I didn't understand why they didn't talk glowingly and confident from the get go.

Key takeaway is Lance being the best one they have. So we got Brock Purdy who is the leader in the clubhouse who's done it, Sam Darnold who is the best thrower of the football in franchise history and as good as there is, and Trey Lance who is the best of the bunch. Wild situation and fuel on the fire to say the least

He didnt say Lance is the best of the bunch, he said Lance looks the best he's ever looked. I may be mistaken but I believe some of the reports are reporting that incorrect - at least that's what I've seen in most article and when Kyle spoke about it.

That's kind of how I interpreted it too. Watched a 6 minute clip of that interview which was basically the 5 minutes leading up to and including the small 30 second clip that the media is running with.

Paraphrasing, but Shanny pretty much says "I believe Trey can be the guy we traded up for, but when it comes down to it Brock has done it on the field and looking at the tape confirms it wasn't a fluke and he's legit".

Very complimentary of both of them, and when Brock gets healthy we'll "see where we're at" which is basically coach speak for "no further comment".

TLDR: Brock's shown it, it's up to Trey to now show it too.

Okay cool. Hahaha wanted to make sure I'm not losing it.

it's a very fair assessment, especially since now we all know Lance has been injured. well his broke finger never healed correctly.

I think the issue regarding Trey's injury isn't so much that it hurt him in the season as it hurt him in the off-season, preventing him from working on his mechanics properly.

So if a finger doesn't heal correctly, how do you fix it? Why didn't he go get surgery to repair it last off season? (If surgery is how you fix it)

Eh, I suspect that sometimes they just take a long time to heal if you keep using them. And then it can take time to psychologically drop the ways you were previously compensating for the injury. I know the latter is true from personal experience, but I am no doctor.

So you're saying that the way it healed, he possibly didn't realize it wasn't healed properly? But it was screwing up his grip?

I'm saying the likely situation is that it healed fully AFTER the 2021 season. Meaning he got a slow start on his mechanics training and didn't have time to retrain himself before the 2022 season. You're not working on your mechanics in camp. You do that in the off-season.

What I'm curious about is when he realized it didn't heal correctly and how you fix that. Sounds like he didn't fix until he broke his ankle, well after a year of the initial finger breaking. I just don't know anything about fixing a poorly healed bone fracture, was wondering if anyone else could shed light

I don't know the full scenario, but I've had broken fingers many times. The biggest problem with them isn't that they take longer to heal or heal improperly, it's that so many nerve endings are in your fingers that even after it has healed, it may still hurt for some time. Trying to throw with a finger that feels broken is just about as bad.

I'd have to imagine he knew something was wrong for a long time and powered through it under the impression it would work it self out so he didn't miss time and/or get replaced etc. which in hindsight wasn't worth it but I totally understand it.

im just glad that news finally came out cause a big reason why I was so critical of him was his lack of development and accuracy issues - this helps shed light on why.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Rich Isen was in awe of Kyle in that piece. Imagine having a rookie 7th rounder take your team to the *NFC Championship* game and then you have a super talented guy in Trey who's (from just a physical standpoint) looking like Steve Young 2.0. waiting in the wings. He basically said what some folks here do know, is that Kyle does know what he's doing with regards to development of QB's. I still remember Steve Young's 51+ yard touchdown run against the Vikings and their number 1 defense and his great passing to Tyerell Owens. Give Steve Young a Bosa or an Aldon (before the DUI's) for Steve's entire career, and he'd easily have another two+ championships.

Trey hasn't shown squat to make people think he's Steve Young 2.0.

Well, you did watch Kyle's interview at the Dwight Clark shing-ding? Kyle basically said he thinks Trey can become somebody like that.

yup he's a FLQB

we got 3 FLQBS

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Had to go back and watch some of his deep shots to refresh my memory and I didn't see him having to re-establish his feet to generate power. Now did he just effortlessly let it fly with a flick of the wrist like those other guys you mentioned? No, but not many do and that's why they are outliers and sine if the best to ever do it

I don't see him just flicking the ball downfield off base or not having to reestablish his base before throwing it. I mean it's not the end of the world. His arm is not his strength. It will never be. His ability to think quickly and use those quick twitch moves in close quarters are.

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's true. Let's see if Brock becomes more conservative over time (that happens too).

Great point. I think your point coupled with my expanded points are what puts him at risk even more.

Very true. I was super happy with last year's baseline. But now they need to get to playoff level PP. Let's hope they do b/c if Brock does get the time (and Kyle too), #6 is right around the corner.

just for an FYI I saw this today

The 49ers allowed the second-fewest pressures in the NFL last season, per Pro Football Reference.

Their pressure rate allowed of 16.2% was the second best.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Had to go back and watch some of his deep shots to refresh my memory and I didn't see him having to re-establish his feet to generate power. Now did he just effortlessly let it fly with a flick of the wrist like those other guys you mentioned? No, but not many do and that's why they are outliers and sine if the best to ever do it

I don't see him just flicking the ball downfield off base or not having to reestablish his base before throwing it. I mean it's not the end of the world. His arm is not his strength. It will never be. His ability to think quickly and use those quick twitch moves in close quarters are.

I knowI said he wasn't flicking it, it is not his game and not a whole lot can, but he also wasn't having to re-establish his base just to generate power. Just watched quite a few of his throws where he got decent power down the field or to the side of the field while off balance. That's all I'm saying.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's true. Let's see if Brock becomes more conservative over time (that happens too).

Great point. I think your point coupled with my expanded points are what puts him at risk even more.

Very true. I was super happy with last year's baseline. But now they need to get to playoff level PP. Let's hope they do b/c if Brock does get the time (and Kyle too), #6 is right around the corner.

just for an FYI I saw this today

The 49ers allowed the second-fewest pressures in the NFL last season, per Pro Football Reference.

Their pressure rate allowed of 16.2% was the second best.

They were the opposite in the playoffs though. That's the hump to get over for sure. But they were really good in the regular season and esp. considering it was their baseline year too!

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Had to go back and watch some of his deep shots to refresh my memory and I didn't see him having to re-establish his feet to generate power. Now did he just effortlessly let it fly with a flick of the wrist like those other guys you mentioned? No, but not many do and that's why they are outliers and sine if the best to ever do it

I don't see him just flicking the ball downfield off base or not having to reestablish his base before throwing it. I mean it's not the end of the world. His arm is not his strength. It will never be. His ability to think quickly and use those quick twitch moves in close quarters are.

I knowI said he wasn't flicking it, it is not his game and not a whole lot can, but he also wasn't having to re-establish his base just to generate power. Just watched quite a few of his throws where he got decent power down the field or to the side of the field while off balance. That's all I'm saying.

Agree, if you are talking about Brock. Same with Trey. Brock can flick it - not 50 yards off balance, but maybe 20+ yards off balance. Trey can probably go another +20 off that, with his stronger arm. Point I'd make is that both QB's can throw off balance a good distance and arm talent (I don't think) will limit Kyle's offense in either case. His offense is outside zone run heavy, play action off the naked boot - generally to the TE or crossers about 5 to 20 yards downfield.