Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

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Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

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Originally posted by fropwns:

Hahaha I literally just watched this in the last few minutes. It is a wild situation

Shanny throwing fuel on the fire. Love it.

It's the smart thing to do. I was shocked with the rhetoric before from him and Lynch, it created all this chaos and uncertainty - instead Of everyone being supported and talked highly of.

not saying they purposely did it or anything like that, but it just leaves the door open for all kinds of speculation. That's why I thought something was going on, I didn't understand why they didn't talk glowingly and confident from the get go.

Key takeaway is Lance being the best one they have. So we got Brock Purdy who is the leader in the clubhouse who's done it, Sam Darnold who is the best thrower of the football in franchise history and as good as there is, and Trey Lance who is the best of the bunch. Wild situation and fuel on the fire to say the least

He didnt say Lance is the best of the bunch, he said Lance looks the best he's ever looked. I may be mistaken but I believe some of the reports are reporting that incorrect - at least that's what I've seen in most article and when Kyle spoke about it.

That's kind of how I interpreted it too. Watched a 6 minute clip of that interview which was basically the 5 minutes leading up to and including the small 30 second clip that the media is running with.

Paraphrasing, but Shanny pretty much says "I believe Trey can be the guy we traded up for, but when it comes down to it Brock has done it on the field and looking at the tape confirms it wasn't a fluke and he's legit".

Very complimentary of both of them, and when Brock gets healthy we'll "see where we're at" which is basically coach speak for "no further comment".

TLDR: Brock's shown it, it's up to Trey to now show it too.

Okay cool. Hahaha wanted to make sure I'm not losing it.

it's a very fair assessment, especially since now we all know Lance has been injured. well his broke finger never healed correctly.

I think the issue regarding Trey's injury isn't so much that it hurt him in the season as it hurt him in the off-season, preventing him from working on his mechanics properly.

So if a finger doesn't heal correctly, how do you fix it? Why didn't he go get surgery to repair it last off season? (If surgery is how you fix it)

Eh, I suspect that sometimes they just take a long time to heal if you keep using them. And then it can take time to psychologically drop the ways you were previously compensating for the injury. I know the latter is true from personal experience, but I am no doctor.

So you're saying that the way it healed, he possibly didn't realize it wasn't healed properly? But it was screwing up his grip?

I'm saying the likely situation is that it healed fully AFTER the 2021 season. Meaning he got a slow start on his mechanics training and didn't have time to retrain himself before the 2022 season. You're not working on your mechanics in camp. You do that in the off-season.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean I don't even think Brock is particularly great at throwing it deep. He just actually tried to do it every once in a while, where Jimmy never looked high to low. Those routes have always been there.

my point with Brock is in order for him to throw downfield or scramble (most of the time) he's gotta stop and reestablish his feet to generate enough power to get the ball where it's gotta go. You see guys like Allen/Mahomes/Rogers/Herbert (and yes lance) they can literally throw that s**t with a flick of a wrist. That's gonna lead to more hits for Brock. toss in his size and that could be a problem. Who knows how he is mentally after this injury too.

agreed our overall pass-pro isn't elite. It's not awful either imo. We will see what Colton has got, I would have preferred to have as many guys as possible competing for that spot. Most teams can't hold a pocket for more than 3 secs and having a guy that can move and evade pressure is a massive plus. We saw that and how this offense can go. We will see, I think all 3 guys play at some point for whatever reason.

Had to go back and watch some of his deep shots to refresh my memory and I didn't see him having to re-establish his feet to generate power. Now did he just effortlessly let it fly with a flick of the wrist like those other guys you mentioned? No, but not many do and that's why they are outliers and sine if the best to ever do it

Note that him "looking better" means nothing. First, it's against air. Second, where he is now is where he should have been last year, so he's still behind. Third, the improvement he had to make this off-season to retake the starting job is substantial. Simply being better won't be enough for that. It WOULD improve our team, because our backup would be better, but it's not enough to retake the job. He has to play very well for that and we have to be winning.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Rich Isen was in awe of Kyle in that piece. Imagine having a rookie 7th rounder take your team to the *NFC Championship* game and then you have a super talented guy in Trey who's (from just a physical standpoint) looking like Steve Young 2.0. waiting in the wings. He basically said what some folks here do know, is that Kyle does know what he's doing with regards to development of QB's. I still remember Steve Young's 51+ yard touchdown run against the Vikings and their number 1 defense and his great passing to Tyerell Owens. Give Steve Young a Bosa or an Aldon (before the DUI's) for Steve's entire career, and he'd easily have another two+ championships.

Kyle wants his own Steve Young and maybe he's seeing him in Trey. It's up to Trey now to make those strides and be the second coming of him.

I think Trey will step up, after all Kyle helped Purdy step up. Nick Mullens and BeatHard are still in the league, and Trey is going to be a good QB for a long time. I think both QB's (Purdy and Lance) as long as they have CMC, Deebo and Kittle, will do well. It may just depend on injuries as to who will take the team to the championship game or beyond. Two things have me hopeful about QB protections, ShanLynch have absolute confidence in McKivitz they didn't even bother drafting *any* Offensive Lineman. In addition, they drafted two TE's for a possible one back set, to make sure Brock/Lance has two big guys on either side of the line to help in pass protection and chip blocking.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Trey Lance making strides and is currently 'the best' #49ers have seen, coach Kyle Shanahan says. https://t.co/b3NbEp51ZM

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) May 11, 2023

I'm excited for the kid, personally. I feel terrible for him but he's no different than any QB that constantly gets hurt here. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Brock makes it back and then gets hurt again. So Trey better be ready. You never know when your time will come. Just keep grinding and preparing.

That also goes for that third string QB, Sam...something guy...

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm excited for the kid, personally. I feel terrible for him but he's no different than any QB that constantly gets hurt here. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Brock makes it back and then gets hurt again. So Trey better be ready. You never know when your time will come. Just keep grinding and preparing.

Honestly the way Brock plays and his overall size…I don't see how he makes it a full season. No hate on the kid, he's got brass balls. He's got not problem holding onto the ball and scrambling to make a play happen…the lack of true arm talent forces him to have to reestablish his base/feet and make a throw downfield most times. Doing that equals more unnecessary hits. We saw him get throttled a handful of times doing this.

I will say I think his best quality is how he plays in the RZ. IMO it felt like that was one area that Jimmy struggled at. Brock's got a good feel down there and can move to create plays, when the initial play breakdown.

Another factor is that with his skill set, Kyle will continue to take calculated deeper shots and those take quite a bit of time to develop; as does PA. We don't exactly have Hill where you can just loft it up within his area code and eventually he'll come wide open and make the catch. We don't have consistent deep threats. We have schemed-open threats. Couple that with unit pass protection issues, it's not a winning combination (from a health perspective). We're excited about his ability to move but we forgot WHY he has to do that. As JT O'PicksALot noted, schematically, the QB will be put at-risk. It is what it is.

That's a long-winded way of saying, if history here is any indication, don't get too attached to one QB; we're going to need most or all of them to make it through 17-20 games.

No doubt his processing speed and mobility can help him greatly in the RZ.

We don't have Hill, but we do have CMC, which I think is better suited for the WCO. Just look at how Jerrick McKinnon has done so well with Andy Reid's offense. It's usually unnoticed that the heyday of the old Dynasty revolved around Roger Craig/Ricky Waters and their ability to catch and run. If you look at the old Martz high octane offense, it was revolving around Marshall Faulk - another hybrid RB/WR. Kyle has *two* -- CMC and Deebo.

Originally posted by Giedi:
We don't have Hill, but we do have CMC, which I think is better suited for the WCO. Just look at how Jerrick McKinnon has done so well with Andy Reid's offense. It's usually unnoticed that the heyday of the old Dynasty revolved around Roger Craig/Ricky Waters and their ability to catch and run. If you look at the old Martz high octane offense, it was revolving around Marshall Faulk - another hybrid RB/WR. Kyle has *two* -- CMC and Deebo.

i believe Martz himself has called CMC a present day Marshall Faulk

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Another factor is that with his skill set, Kyle will continue to take calculated deeper shots and those take quite a bit of time to develop; as does PA. We don't exactly have Hill where you can just loft it up within his area code and eventually he'll come wide open and make the catch. We don't have consistent deep threats. We have schemed-open threats. Couple that with unit pass protection issues, it's not a winning combination (from a health perspective). We're excited about his ability to move but we forgot WHY he has to do that. As JT O'PicksALot noted, schematically, the QB will be put at-risk. It is what it is.

That's a long-winded way of saying, if history here is any indication, don't get too attached to one QB; we're going to need most or all of them to make it through 17-20 games.

No doubt his processing speed and mobility can help him greatly in the RZ.

I mean I don't even think Brock is particularly great at throwing it deep. He just actually tried to do it every once in a while, where Jimmy never looked high to low. Those routes have always been there.

my point with Brock is in order for him to throw downfield or scramble (most of the time) he's gotta stop and reestablish his feet to generate enough power to get the ball where it's gotta go. You see guys like Allen/Mahomes/Rogers/Herbert (and yes lance) they can literally throw that s**t with a flick of a wrist. That's gonna lead to more hits for Brock. toss in his size and that could be a problem. Who knows how he is mentally after this injury too.

agreed our overall pass-pro isn't elite. It's not awful either imo. We will see what Colton has got, I would have preferred to have as many guys as possible competing for that spot. Most teams can't hold a pocket for more than 3 secs and having a guy that can move and evade pressure is a massive plus. We saw that and how this offense can go. We will see, I think all 3 guys play at some point for whatever reason.

Agree, Brock has to work on throwing deep. I think he can do it, and as you said, he may have to set up and gather himself for those long passes quicker, but Trey also has to work on the short game. Trey has to put more touch and arc on those shorter passes and has to do a better job in anticipating the windows coming open before they do come open.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
We don't have Hill, but we do have CMC, which I think is better suited for the WCO. Just look at how Jerrick McKinnon has done so well with Andy Reid's offense. It's usually unnoticed that the heyday of the old Dynasty revolved around Roger Craig/Ricky Waters and their ability to catch and run. If you look at the old Martz high octane offense, it was revolving around Marshall Faulk - another hybrid RB/WR. Kyle has *two* -- CMC and Deebo.

i believe Martz himself has called CMC a present day Marshall Faulk

Bellichick beat Martz in the big game by basically gang tackling Marshall. Can't do that with CMC because of Deebo. Heh.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm excited for the kid, personally. I feel terrible for him but he's no different than any QB that constantly gets hurt here. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Brock makes it back and then gets hurt again. So Trey better be ready. You never know when your time will come. Just keep grinding and preparing.

Honestly the way Brock plays and his overall size…I don't see how he makes it a full season. No hate on the kid, he's got brass balls. He's got not problem holding onto the ball and scrambling to make a play happen…the lack of true arm talent forces him to have to reestablish his base/feet and make a throw downfield most times. Doing that equals more unnecessary hits. We saw him get throttled a handful of times doing this.

I will say I think his best quality is how he plays in the RZ. IMO it felt like that was one area that Jimmy struggled at. Brock's got a good feel down there and can move to create plays, when the initial play breakdown.

Another factor is that with his skill set, Kyle will continue to take calculated deeper shots and those take quite a bit of time to develop; as does PA. We don't exactly have Hill where you can just loft it up within his area code and eventually he'll come wide open and make the catch. We don't have consistent deep threats. We have schemed-open threats. Couple that with unit pass protection issues, it's not a winning combination (from a health perspective). We're excited about his ability to move but we forgot WHY he has to do that. As JT O'PicksALot noted, schematically, the QB will be put at-risk. It is what it is.

That's a long-winded way of saying, if history here is any indication, don't get too attached to one QB; we're going to need most or all of them to make it through 17-20 games.

No doubt his processing speed and mobility can help him greatly in the RZ.

We don't have Hill, but we do have CMC, which I think is better suited for the WCO. Just look at how Jerrick McKinnon has done so well with Andy Reid's offense. It's usually unnoticed that the heyday of the old Dynasty revolved around Roger Craig/Ricky Waters and their ability to catch and run. If you look at the old Martz high octane offense, it was revolving around Marshall Faulk - another hybrid RB/WR. Kyle has *two* -- CMC and Deebo.

NC and NY are talking specifically about deep threats.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm excited for the kid, personally. I feel terrible for him but he's no different than any QB that constantly gets hurt here. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Brock makes it back and then gets hurt again. So Trey better be ready. You never know when your time will come. Just keep grinding and preparing.

Honestly the way Brock plays and his overall size…I don't see how he makes it a full season. No hate on the kid, he's got brass balls. He's got not problem holding onto the ball and scrambling to make a play happen…the lack of true arm talent forces him to have to reestablish his base/feet and make a throw downfield most times. Doing that equals more unnecessary hits. We saw him get throttled a handful of times doing this.

I will say I think his best quality is how he plays in the RZ. IMO it felt like that was one area that Jimmy struggled at. Brock's got a good feel down there and can move to create plays, when the initial play breakdown.

Another factor is that with his skill set, Kyle will continue to take calculated deeper shots and those take quite a bit of time to develop; as does PA. We don't exactly have Hill where you can just loft it up within his area code and eventually he'll come wide open and make the catch. We don't have consistent deep threats. We have schemed-open threats. Couple that with unit pass protection issues, it's not a winning combination (from a health perspective). We're excited about his ability to move but we forgot WHY he has to do that. As JT O'PicksALot noted, schematically, the QB will be put at-risk. It is what it is.

That's a long-winded way of saying, if history here is any indication, don't get too attached to one QB; we're going to need most or all of them to make it through 17-20 games.

No doubt his processing speed and mobility can help him greatly in the RZ.

We don't have Hill, but we do have CMC, which I think is better suited for the WCO. Just look at how Jerrick McKinnon has done so well with Andy Reid's offense. It's usually unnoticed that the heyday of the old Dynasty revolved around Roger Craig/Ricky Waters and their ability to catch and run. If you look at the old Martz high octane offense, it was revolving around Marshall Faulk - another hybrid RB/WR. Kyle has *two* -- CMC and Deebo.

NC and NY are talking specifically about deep threats.

Yeah, I know.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm excited for the kid, personally. I feel terrible for him but he's no different than any QB that constantly gets hurt here. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Brock makes it back and then gets hurt again. So Trey better be ready. You never know when your time will come. Just keep grinding and preparing.

Honestly the way Brock plays and his overall size…I don't see how he makes it a full season. No hate on the kid, he's got brass balls. He's got not problem holding onto the ball and scrambling to make a play happen…the lack of true arm talent forces him to have to reestablish his base/feet and make a throw downfield most times. Doing that equals more unnecessary hits. We saw him get throttled a handful of times doing this.

I will say I think his best quality is how he plays in the RZ. IMO it felt like that was one area that Jimmy struggled at. Brock's got a good feel down there and can move to create plays, when the initial play breakdown.

Another factor is that with his skill set, Kyle will continue to take calculated deeper shots and those take quite a bit of time to develop; as does PA. We don't exactly have Hill where you can just loft it up within his area code and eventually he'll come wide open and make the catch. We don't have consistent deep threats. We have schemed-open threats. Couple that with unit pass protection issues, it's not a winning combination (from a health perspective). We're excited about his ability to move but we forgot WHY he has to do that. As JT O'PicksALot noted, schematically, the QB will be put at-risk. It is what it is.

That's a long-winded way of saying, if history here is any indication, don't get too attached to one QB; we're going to need most or all of them to make it through 17-20 games.

No doubt his processing speed and mobility can help him greatly in the RZ.

We don't have Hill, but we do have CMC, which I think is better suited for the WCO. Just look at how Jerrick McKinnon has done so well with Andy Reid's offense. It's usually unnoticed that the heyday of the old Dynasty revolved around Roger Craig/Ricky Waters and their ability to catch and run. If you look at the old Martz high octane offense, it was revolving around Marshall Faulk - another hybrid RB/WR. Kyle has *two* -- CMC and Deebo.

NC and NY are talking specifically about deep threats.

Yeah, I know.

pic / gif of CMC downfield mossing ppl goes here

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Another factor is that with his skill set, Kyle will continue to take calculated deeper shots and those take quite a bit of time to develop; as does PA. We don't exactly have Hill where you can just loft it up within his area code and eventually he'll come wide open and make the catch. We don't have consistent deep threats. We have schemed-open threats. Couple that with unit pass protection issues, it's not a winning combination (from a health perspective). We're excited about his ability to move but we forgot WHY he has to do that. As JT O'PicksALot noted, schematically, the QB will be put at-risk. It is what it is.

That's a long-winded way of saying, if history here is any indication, don't get too attached to one QB; we're going to need most or all of them to make it through 17-20 games.

No doubt his processing speed and mobility can help him greatly in the RZ.

I mean I don't even think Brock is particularly great at throwing it deep. He just actually tried to do it every once in a while, where Jimmy never looked high to low. Those routes have always been there.

my point with Brock is in order for him to throw downfield or scramble (most of the time) he's gotta stop and reestablish his feet to generate enough power to get the ball where it's gotta go. You see guys like Allen/Mahomes/Rogers/Herbert (and yes lance) they can literally throw that s**t with a flick of a wrist. That's gonna lead to more hits for Brock. toss in his size and that could be a problem. Who knows how he is mentally after this injury too.

agreed our overall pass-pro isn't elite. It's not awful either imo. We will see what Colton has got, I would have preferred to have as many guys as possible competing for that spot. Most teams can't hold a pocket for more than 3 secs and having a guy that can move and evade pressure is a massive plus. We saw that and how this offense can go. We will see, I think all 3 guys play at some point for whatever reason.

That's true. Let's see if Brock becomes more conservative over time (that happens too).

Great point. I think your point coupled with my expanded points are what puts him at risk even more.

Very true. I was super happy with last year's baseline. But now they need to get to playoff level PP. Let's hope they do b/c if Brock does get the time (and Kyle too), #6 is right around the corner.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

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Originally posted by tankle104:

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Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Hahaha I literally just watched this in the last few minutes. It is a wild situation

Shanny throwing fuel on the fire. Love it.

It's the smart thing to do. I was shocked with the rhetoric before from him and Lynch, it created all this chaos and uncertainty - instead Of everyone being supported and talked highly of.

not saying they purposely did it or anything like that, but it just leaves the door open for all kinds of speculation. That's why I thought something was going on, I didn't understand why they didn't talk glowingly and confident from the get go.

Key takeaway is Lance being the best one they have. So we got Brock Purdy who is the leader in the clubhouse who's done it, Sam Darnold who is the best thrower of the football in franchise history and as good as there is, and Trey Lance who is the best of the bunch. Wild situation and fuel on the fire to say the least

He didnt say Lance is the best of the bunch, he said Lance looks the best he's ever looked. I may be mistaken but I believe some of the reports are reporting that incorrect - at least that's what I've seen in most article and when Kyle spoke about it.

That's kind of how I interpreted it too. Watched a 6 minute clip of that interview which was basically the 5 minutes leading up to and including the small 30 second clip that the media is running with.

Paraphrasing, but Shanny pretty much says "I believe Trey can be the guy we traded up for, but when it comes down to it Brock has done it on the field and looking at the tape confirms it wasn't a fluke and he's legit".

Very complimentary of both of them, and when Brock gets healthy we'll "see where we're at" which is basically coach speak for "no further comment".

TLDR: Brock's shown it, it's up to Trey to now show it too.

Okay cool. Hahaha wanted to make sure I'm not losing it.

it's a very fair assessment, especially since now we all know Lance has been injured. well his broke finger never healed correctly.

I think the issue regarding Trey's injury isn't so much that it hurt him in the season as it hurt him in the off-season, preventing him from working on his mechanics properly.

So if a finger doesn't heal correctly, how do you fix it? Why didn't he go get surgery to repair it last off season? (If surgery is how you fix it)

Eh, I suspect that sometimes they just take a long time to heal if you keep using them. And then it can take time to psychologically drop the ways you were previously compensating for the injury. I know the latter is true from personal experience, but I am no doctor.

So you're saying that the way it healed, he possibly didn't realize it wasn't healed properly? But it was screwing up his grip?

I'm saying the likely situation is that it healed fully AFTER the 2021 season. Meaning he got a slow start on his mechanics training and didn't have time to retrain himself before the 2022 season. You're not working on your mechanics in camp. You do that in the off-season.

What I'm curious about is when he realized it didn't heal correctly and how you fix that. Sounds like he didn't fix until he broke his ankle, well after a year of the initial finger breaking. I just don't know anything about fixing a poorly healed bone fracture, was wondering if anyone else could shed light

Originally posted by tankle104:
What I'm curious about is when he realized it didn't heal correctly and how you fix that. Sounds like he didn't fix until he broke his ankle, well after a year of the initial finger breaking. I just don't know anything about fixing a poorly healed bone fracture, was wondering if anyone else could shed light

yup, and when you look at the ankle, recall there were a lot of folks saying well TL may come back, the timeline has him back for season or playoffs, and of course we needed a QB, even with BP starting you would want TL backing up (as we know very well watching JJ / NFCCG)

but my understanding is the ankle didn't heal, he needed another procedure late season on the ankle if memory serves here.. so the finger didn't heal well at all nor did the ankle