Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by frenchmov:
All those QBs played on this roster??

Lance vs Brock is about as apples to apples comparison as you're going to find. Now I will grant trey didn't have cmc, and that's absolutely a fair argument.

I'm not anti lance or pro Brock. I'm only a 49ers fan. If either of these players was on another team I wouldn't give a flying f**k about them.

What Brock did was insanely impressive, and what trey has done has been insanely disappointing. Brock may fall off a cliff and never have success again, and I'll still say his 2022 was insane.

Trey may turn a corner, stay healthy and become a probowler & I'll still say his first 2 years were a disappointment

You about summed this up perfectly

I think the difference right now TL needs development to be a viable NFL QB on a starter level, BP is on that level now, you just hope he gets over the injury and comes back the same guy

"Appearing on SportsCenter, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler said he's talked to multiple teams that 'believe Darnold will play meaningful snaps, even as early as Week 1 for San Francisco, because of Brock Purdy's injury and Trey Lance's tenuous stance with the team right now.'"

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
"Appearing on SportsCenter, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler said he's talked to multiple teams that 'believe Darnold will play meaningful snaps, even as early as Week 1 for San Francisco, because of Brock Purdy's injury and Trey Lance's tenuous stance with the team right now.'"

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the niners themselves "leaking" this to light a fire under trey. I would have to imagine they're disappointed with his development/how he's picked up the offense/etc and hoping that this can be a catalyst to take that next step.

Imagine if Brock starts on pup and trey just dominates the first 4 weeks. Brock would come back as a backup under the guise of letting him get more healthy but the team would be ecstatic trey turned that corner. We'll see!

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the niners themselves "leaking" this to light a fire under trey. I would have to imagine they're disappointed with his development/how he's picked up the offense/etc and hoping that this can be a catalyst to take that next step.

Imagine if Brock starts on pup and trey just dominates the first 4 weeks. Brock would come back as a backup under the guise of letting him get more healthy but the team would be ecstatic trey turned that corner. We'll see!

i call this the Joe / Steve scenario

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the niners themselves "leaking" this to light a fire under trey. I would have to imagine they're disappointed with his development/how he's picked up the offense/etc and hoping that this can be a catalyst to take that next step.

Imagine if Brock starts on pup and trey just dominates the first 4 weeks. Brock would come back as a backup under the guise of letting him get more healthy but the team would be ecstatic trey turned that corner. We'll see!

i call this the Joe / Steve scenario

Not really. As you know, Joe was a far more accomplished QB than Brock. He already had 2 SB wins when they got Young. Neither Brock or Trey has won any titles and both are still trying to prove themselves. If Trey plays well and wins the starter's job it will just prove that they were right all along when they moved up to pick him. Then they'll have a good young starter and a backup that they know can do the job if Trey gets hurt again.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the niners themselves "leaking" this to light a fire under trey. I would have to imagine they're disappointed with his development/how he's picked up the offense/etc and hoping that this can be a catalyst to take that next step.

Imagine if Brock starts on pup and trey just dominates the first 4 weeks. Brock would come back as a backup under the guise of letting him get more healthy but the team would be ecstatic trey turned that corner. We'll see!

i call this the Joe / Steve scenario

Not really. As you know, Joe was a far more accomplished QB than Brock. He already had 2 SB wins when they got Young. Neither Brock or Trey has won any titles and both are still trying to prove themselves. If Trey plays well and wins the starter's job it will just prove that they were right all along when they moved up to pick him. Then they'll have a good young starter and a backup that they know can do the job if Trey gets hurt again.

well poop, ok how about the improved TL / BP comes back scenario
that isn't as dramatic but you win this round, i suppose

Originally posted by frenchmov:
All those QBs played on this roster??

Lance vs Brock is about as apples to apples comparison as you're going to find. Now I will grant trey didn't have cmc, and that's absolutely a fair argument.

I mean it's actually not that close.

Brock had Kittle/CMC/BA/Mitchell and Deebo (for a portion) plus an offensive line that had time to actually jell.

Lance has had Kittle for one game vs the Texans. Never had CMC. Lost Mitchell at the beginning of the bears game. Toss in WK1 rust a a whole different IOL that played like crap that game. I mean deebo's biggest play of the Bears game was fumbling the ball in the RZ

so no, it's not the same if we're being objective. I'm also not anti anyone. Brock made the most of his opportunities. He should be QB1 if healthy. He's not and who the f**k knows how any of his recovery goes and how he will be from a physical/mental standpoint.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
All those QBs played on this roster??

Lance vs Brock is about as apples to apples comparison as you're going to find. Now I will grant trey didn't have cmc, and that's absolutely a fair argument.

I mean it's actually not that close.

Brock had Kittle/CMC/BA/Mitchell and Deebo (for a portion) plus an offensive line that had time to actually jell.

Lance has had Kittle for one game vs the Texans. Never had CMC. Lost Mitchell at the beginning of the bears game. Toss in WK1 rust a a whole different IOL that played like crap that game. I mean deebo's biggest play of the Bears game was fumbling the ball in the RZ

so no, it's not the same if we're being objective. I'm also not anti anyone. Brock made the most of his opportunities. He should be QB1 if healthy. He's not and who the f**k knows how any of his recovery goes and how he will be from a physical/mental standpoint.

They don't care about your rational logic bro. They just picked a side that doesn't even exist (Purdy vs Lance), but only in their minds so they have to knock Lance to justify Purdy.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
"Appearing on SportsCenter, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler said he's talked to multiple teams that 'believe Darnold will play meaningful snaps, even as early as Week 1 for San Francisco, because of Brock Purdy's injury and Trey Lance's tenuous stance with the team right now.'"

Why would other teams know what another team thinks . Its literally made up click bait from this dude,but is written in a way to look legit. If you take a step back and actually read it you realize nobody has said anything other than him making this b******t up lol.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
All those QBs played on this roster??

Lance vs Brock is about as apples to apples comparison as you're going to find. Now I will grant trey didn't have cmc, and that's absolutely a fair argument.

I mean it's actually not that close.

Brock had Kittle/CMC/BA/Mitchell and Deebo (for a portion) plus an offensive line that had time to actually jell.

Lance has had Kittle for one game vs the Texans. Never had CMC. Lost Mitchell at the beginning of the bears game. Toss in WK1 rust a a whole different IOL that played like crap that game. I mean deebo's biggest play of the Bears game was fumbling the ball in the RZ

so no, it's not the same if we're being objective. I'm also not anti anyone. Brock made the most of his opportunities. He should be QB1 if healthy. He's not and who the f**k knows how any of his recovery goes and how he will be from a physical/mental standpoint.

They don't care about your rational logic bro. They just picked a side that doesn't even exist (Purdy vs Lance), but only in their minds so they have to knock Lance to justify Purdy.

Some do that on here, sure, but I don't knock Lance to pick up Purdy - it's not necessary. I just feel like guys like NY act like Lance has played well and nothing is his fault.

I'm not advocating to trade him by saying, idc if he stays or not, but id be willing to bet that his trade value isn't higher (based on team execs speaking anonymously) because of how he played in his few games - you can be optimistic about him while also acknowledging there are large deficiencies in his game. Much more so than his injuries or lack of experience. His performances were rough and inconsistent, with a great coaching staff and various all pros/pro bowlers around him. If he played better, then tons of teams would of offered at least a 1, imo.
The weather or not having CMC is always to blame, acting like he didn't play equally as bad in clear weather and he had Mitchell (not a scrub at all) - which averaged 4.8 YPC against the cards and 6 YPC against the Texans.

it doesn't mean that is the player he will always be, but my take away is that he has a LONG way to go experience wise before he is dependable as the starter. We essentially have to count on the team to carry him, and hope he stays healthy.

i really like the way his throwing motion looks improved this off season and I'm eager to see how he looks. If his mechanics and throwing motion are improved as much as they seem, that gets me excited. I still think he needs a ton of in-game experience before we can count on him though. Then we have to hope he is capable of being great. Then his contract will be up before we probably know that. Lol it's just a disaster cause of his injuries and lack of experience, which sucks for everyone.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the niners themselves "leaking" this to light a fire under trey. I would have to imagine they're disappointed with his development/how he's picked up the offense/etc and hoping that this can be a catalyst to take that next step.

Imagine if Brock starts on pup and trey just dominates the first 4 weeks. Brock would come back as a backup under the guise of letting him get more healthy but the team would be ecstatic trey turned that corner. We'll see!

I don't think that is a fair claim to make. Since he has been drafted, he has done everything asked of him, including spending time with Mahomes this spring to tune up his game, which no one asked him to do. If standing on the sideline watching Purdy ball out doesn't light a fire under him, I don't think a questionable post is going to light him up.

On a different note, I don't buy into the idea that the 49ers are leaking anything to anybody. I know there are some here who disagree, however, if we look back to when Lynch and Shanahan were first hired, they made a bid deal of it with Jed because of the chaos of the Baalke regime due to leaks. They wanted Jed's word that he would not leak anything or tolerate anyone else leaking either. Lynch is very big on the public image of the franchise and his relations with other teams and coaches. A big part of having candid conversations with other teams is the assurance that the conversation doesn't go any further than the two individuals involved. Break that code and you lose very valuable resources and connections. "No leaks" is an integral part of the fabric of this franchise right now.

Hurry up OTA's they could either douse or add fuel to the fire but anything is better than "random reporter gets random opinions from random people".

Originally posted by dj43:
I don't think that is a fair claim to make. Since he has been drafted, he has done everything asked of him, including spending time with Mahomes this spring to tune up his game, which no one asked him to do. If standing on the sideline watching Purdy ball out doesn't light a fire under him, I don't think a questionable post is going to light him up.

On a different note, I don't buy into the idea that the 49ers are leaking anything to anybody. I know there are some here who disagree, however, if we look back to when Lynch and Shanahan were first hired, they made a bid deal of it with Jed because of the chaos of the Baalke regime due to leaks. They wanted Jed's word that he would not leak anything or tolerate anyone else leaking either. Lynch is very big on the public image of the franchise and his relations with other teams and coaches. A big part of having candid conversations with other teams is the assurance that the conversation doesn't go any further than the two individuals involved. Break that code and you lose very valuable resources and connections. "No leaks" is an integral part of the fabric of this franchise right now.

Hmmm I'd argue that they made a big deal of the leaks happening from the organization that weren't supposed to be happening. All teams, at least the good ones, purposely leak things to help their situation out. I don't look at that as a bad thing, at all. That's just smart.

i think Kyle & John definitely took issue with all the crazy stuff that was coming out of here, and it was bad/embarrassing. This place was a zoo (and not a good one). Very dysfunctional

to say John and Kyle are leaking things/saying certain things in interviews, isn't knocking anyone, in my opinion. It's more of a credit to them using all their resources/tools to max capacity.

now, it could be true that the team isn't doing that with the Lance situation that some of us suspect, but I think they for sure do it - and they should. It's smart. They just don't want things getting out that aren't to the benefit of the front office/team that they don't want out.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
"Appearing on SportsCenter, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler said he's talked to multiple teams that 'believe Darnold will play meaningful snaps, even as early as Week 1 for San Francisco, because of Brock Purdy's injury and Trey Lance's tenuous stance with the team right now.'"

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the niners themselves "leaking" this to light a fire under trey. I would have to imagine they're disappointed with his development/how he's picked up the offense/etc and hoping that this can be a catalyst to take that next step.

Imagine if Brock starts on pup and trey just dominates the first 4 weeks. Brock would come back as a backup under the guise of letting him get more healthy but the team would be ecstatic trey turned that corner. We'll see!

Trey doesn't need a fire lit under him and never did. He just needed his ankle not to snap.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Hurry up OTA's they could either douse or add fuel to the fire but anything is better than "random reporter gets random opinions from random people".

Hahaha for real. I'm ready to hear about how they actually look right now and hear about the work the players have put in.

we should get some news on Purdy in the next few weeks too. So between that and on the field training with the coaches, it'll hopefully bring us some good news.