Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Your opinion completely changed then. Because throughout the 2021 season, and into the offseason, anyone who had anything negative to say about Jimmy you jumped all over. You know this is true. I cannot even believe you are trying to claim otherwise.

Yep, you can make the 12% comment about Trey and thats fine. But it was one injury. With Jimmy, it was like 5 in 6 seasons. If Trey gets hurt again, then its a pattern and a huge problem. But as of now, its just one injury.

Once you are in season and we already committed to JG as starter, recall the debate. It was do we develop TL, perhaps at detriment to the team record or do we play JG who is starting as KS says he's better (we know as KS named him starter for this reason). Many said let's forget this season, 2021 and just develop Lance, this was when we were around 3-5 to start. I said, no let's maintain JG until it is known we are out of it we have a great team here.. and we went to the NFCCG. I wouldn't trade that year, we made the correct move.

Also no SWH it's not just one injury. He was injured both years. You are just not correct here.

He has only had one injury that prevented him from keeping the starting job. This year. He was never going to be the starter last season, as you pointed out.

He was injured game one year one (that he started). Game two year two. He did not dress in 2021 vs Colts. This was after his Cards start where he got rocked, then a bye, then Sudfeld dressed iirc. Meaning TL injured. 2021, then again 2022. Stop putting out there it's one injury, that's just misinfo.

Aug 29, 2021 Hand Finger Fracture Lance suffered a finger injury during the preseason win against the Raiders. He was good for the 49ers' season opener against the Lions.
Oct 10, 2021 Knee Strain Grade 1 Lance suffered a left knee sprain in the 49ers' loss to the Arizona Cardinals. He missed one game.

Originally posted by thl408:
NY, it's going to be a looooong offseason for you if you hang onto all the "hate" that is being directed at Lance. Unless you like it, then go for it. The only way for Lance to change people's mind is to play well, and the soonest that can happen is September.

This. People are going to remain skeptical of him until he proves that they shouldn't be.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:
NY, it's going to be a looooong offseason for you if you hang onto all the "hate" that is being directed at Lance. Unless you like it, then go for it. The only way for Lance to change people's mind is to play well, and the soonest that can happen is September.

This. People are going to remain skeptical of him until he proves that they shouldn't be.

People just got to let it play out. Waste of time constantly arguing about this.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Waste of time constantly arguing about this.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Waste of time constantly arguing about this.

Lol, really.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:
NY, it's going to be a looooong offseason for you if you hang onto all the "hate" that is being directed at Lance. Unless you like it, then go for it. The only way for Lance to change people's mind is to play well, and the soonest that can happen is September.

This. People are going to remain skeptical of him until he proves that they shouldn't be.

Remaining skeptical isn't the same thing as saying they know he can't do it.

I don't blame anyone for not believing in or being skeptical of Trey. I've never said once that I know for sure that he will be great (or good), or that I know he would have made the playoffs with this team, or that he would have won the Super Bowl.

Meanwhile, everyone and their mama makes negative predictions about Lance and everyone acts like it's a fact.

His rookie season, the common narrative was that if we started Trey, it would result in a wasted season.

His second season, he gets injured in week 2, and countless posters were extremely happy that it happened so Jimmy could "save our season", assuming Trey would have missed the playoffs had he remained the starter.

Now this year, if we start Trey, we will have wasted another SB run.

All of this is with the context that we haven't won a SB since I was in diapers.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
the hate for lance truly is beyond explanation

20 games played since high school. Fewer than 320 college passing attempts. Not particularly fast or agile despite all the hype about his athleticism. Weird, elongated throwing motion that doesn't really mesh perfectly with a quick passing timing offense.

Tall and big arm are pretty much his main selling points.

I think there's a high degree of skepticism about him and its way worse outside the 49ers fanbase. If the Seahawks used 3 first round picks on a guy with one year of college starting experience in the FCS, we'd be mocking the hell out of them and you know it.

That said, I hope he proves his doubters wrong because if he does well then the team does well but I'm not huffing the hopium until he demonstrates the ability to be a consistent NFL passer.

FWIW,...the things you listed are legit criticisms that we can this discuss here reasonably.

Hate and criticism that invites debate, however, are completely different things. What we've experienced in this thread for a player that hasn't even strung 2 complete games together yet, though, is the former.

We can discuss criticisms. We can't really discuss that "he's a failure" and "he's never gonna be any good",....and stuff of that nature, so there's no need to repeat these things over and over without some details attached to why that you will actually reply to.

Criticism is a good thing. It's not NY.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Remaining skeptical isn't the same thing as saying they know he can't do it.

I don't blame anyone for not believing in or being skeptical of Trey. I've never said once that I know for sure that he will be great (or good), or that I know he would have made the playoffs with this team, or that he would have won the Super Bowl.

Meanwhile, everyone and their mama makes negative predictions about Lance and everyone acts like it's a fact.

His rookie season, the common narrative was that if we started Trey, it would result in a wasted season.

His second season, he gets injured in week 2, and countless posters were extremely happy that it happened so Jimmy could "save our season", assuming Trey would have missed the playoffs had he remained the starter.

Now this year, if we start Trey, we will have wasted another SB run.

All of this is with the context that we haven't won a SB since I was in diapers.

On the rook season, Kyle sets the chart. I think saying that KS put JG at QB1, is Kyle basically saying we have a better win chance with this guy. So suggesting logically that our win odds are better with QB1 than QB2, while not known, makes sense. Teams over time do better with QB1 vs QB2, not always though as we just saw with Brock.

No one was 'extremely happy' he was injured. You make an insinuation ppl who feel differently than you at the QB spot are malicious ppl. It's just not the case. And I have seen posters say I hope JG gets injured, in 2021 and in 2022 I saw that from Zeek. But I won't attribute that to ppl unless they say it outright, otherwise, it's not called for imo.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:
NY, it's going to be a looooong offseason for you if you hang onto all the "hate" that is being directed at Lance. Unless you like it, then go for it. The only way for Lance to change people's mind is to play well, and the soonest that can happen is September.

This. People are going to remain skeptical of him until he proves that they shouldn't be.

Come on Phoenix; you can't say This. You literally disagreed with this yesterday as you were pounding the table for Brady. Meaning YOU wanted Lance to continue sitting and being unable to change people's minds by NOT playing

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
doubt/criticism = hate when it comes to TL, that's the way it is with his fan base on here, their faith in the man's ability without seeing any substantive NFL results is like belief in a religion, the religion of Trey

Lol yeah you've been real objective of Lance in here…Nah some people just want to see him play and give him a chance to develop. If it doesn't work it doesn't work. no one is gonna know anything until then

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
the hate for lance truly is beyond explanation

20 games played since high school. Fewer than 320 college passing attempts. Not particularly fast or agile despite all the hype about his athleticism. Weird, elongated throwing motion that doesn't really mesh perfectly with a quick passing timing offense.

Tall and big arm are pretty much his main selling points.

I think there's a high degree of skepticism about him and its way worse outside the 49ers fanbase. If the Seahawks used 3 first round picks on a guy with one year of college starting experience in the FCS, we'd be mocking the hell out of them and you know it.

That said, I hope he proves his doubters wrong because if he does well then the team does well but I'm not huffing the hopium until he demonstrates the ability to be a consistent NFL passer.

FWIW,...the things you listed are legit criticisms that we can this discuss here reasonably.

Hate and criticism that invites debate, however, are completely different things. What we've experienced in this thread for a player that hasn't even strung 2 complete games together yet, though, is the former.

But therein lies the problem not just with Trey or Jimmy but in most threads any criticism is instantly labeled as hate.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:
NY, it's going to be a looooong offseason for you if you hang onto all the "hate" that is being directed at Lance. Unless you like it, then go for it. The only way for Lance to change people's mind is to play well, and the soonest that can happen is September.

This. People are going to remain skeptical of him until he proves that they shouldn't be.

People just got to let it play out. Waste of time constantly arguing about this.

By people, I hope that includes yourself? Dude you contribute to it and change your mind seemingly daily and go with the flow of what everyone else is saying But all love mayo

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:
NY, it's going to be a looooong offseason for you if you hang onto all the "hate" that is being directed at Lance. Unless you like it, then go for it. The only way for Lance to change people's mind is to play well, and the soonest that can happen is September.

This. People are going to remain skeptical of him until he proves that they shouldn't be.

People just got to let it play out. Waste of time constantly arguing about this.

By people, I hope that includes yourself? Dude you contribute to it and change your mind seemingly daily and go with the flow of what everyone else is saying But all love mayo

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Petty and emotional to me is claiming you wouldn't spend another cent on your team if they picked a guy you didn't like doesn't get much lamer than that.

Petty imo is hating a guy for no reason because he's replacing a player that you love and defend regardless of how he's played.

NY, it's going to be a looooong offseason for you if you hang onto all the "hate" that is being directed at Lance. Unless you like it, then go for it. The only way for Lance to change people's mind is to play well, and the soonest that can happen is September.

It's just bonkers how many people are negative about a kid as soon as he stepped on the field (even before that) not sure what other term to use then hater when they've clearly been nothing but negative.

I really don't want to mute a bunch of people, but my overall opinion of you goes down dramatically when you're posting like that.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Remaining skeptical isn't the same thing as saying they know he can't do it.

I don't blame anyone for not believing in or being skeptical of Trey. I've never said once that I know for sure that he will be great (or good), or that I know he would have made the playoffs with this team, or that he would have won the Super Bowl.

Meanwhile, everyone and their mama makes negative predictions about Lance and everyone acts like it's a fact.

His rookie season, the common narrative was that if we started Trey, it would result in a wasted season.

His second season, he gets injured in week 2, and countless posters were extremely happy that it happened so Jimmy could "save our season", assuming Trey would have missed the playoffs had he remained the starter.

Now this year, if we start Trey, we will have wasted another SB run.

All of this is with the context that we haven't won a SB since I was in diapers.

Best post I've seen in awhile, bunch of truth bombs 💣

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
But therein lies the problem not just with Trey or Jimmy but in most threads any criticism is instantly labeled as hate.

Criticism of a guy that's been in the league for 7 years and played in SF for 4 seasons, is vastly different than criticism of a kid with 100 passing attempts in the NFL. People s**t on him before he even stepped on the field. There's no reason to be like that imo.

you can not like a draft pick, that's fine. It's clear I wasn't a Mac fan, BUT I did say if SF drafted him I would have given him every opportunity to be that guy. I would have rooted for him to be good all the same….labeling Lance something off not much, just because your feelings were hurt about how Jimmy was handled by some fans/coaches is petty and childish imo.