Originally posted by NYniner85:
Josh Allen in his first 6 starts had 2 TDs 5 INTs and 21 sacks
ramsey on Josh allen back in 2018…
"I think (Buffalo Bills draft pick Josh) Allen is trash," Ramsey told GQ's Clay Skipper. "I don't care what nobody say. He's trash. And it's gonna show too. That's a stupid draft pick to me. We play them this year, and I'm excited as hell. I hope he's their starting quarterback. He played at Wyoming. Every time they played a big school—like, they played Iowa State, which is not a big school in my opinion because I went to Florida State, and he threw five interceptions, and they lost by a couple touchdowns or something like that.✞ He never beat a big school. If you look at his games against big schools, it was always hella interceptions, hella turnovers. It's like: Yo, if you're this good, why couldn't you do better? He fits that mold, he's a big, tall quarterback. Big arm, supposedly. I don't see it, personally."
How about Hurts? This was from PFF after 2021
- Hurts ranked 40th out of 42 quarterbacks graded by PFF.
- Hurts ranked 31st out of 37 quarterbacks in Football Outsiders' DVOA metric.
- Among qualified quarterbacks, Drew Lock led the NFL in bad throws (22.9%) and ranked last in on target throws (68.9%) last year. Hurts was significantly worse in those categories (26.7% and 60.7%).
- Hurts completed just 52% of his attempts. For perspective on how low that number is, Drew Lock ranked last out of 35 qualified quarterbacks with a 57.3% completion percentage.
- Hurts completed just 48.8% of his attempts on non-play action plays. (Interestingly, he had the NFL's biggest completion percentage difference between play action and not with a 66.7% completion on the former.)
- Hurts' 7.2 yards per attempt was only tied for the 20th best mark.
- Hurts' 77.6 passer rating ranked only above Lock, Dwayne Haskins, Carson Wentz, and Sam Darnold.
- Only six players fumbled more than Hurts last year despite the fact he played just 334 snaps (29.6%).
- Hurts took the longest average time to throw at 3.39 seconds. Lamar Jackson was the second-longest at 3.17 seconds. With Hurts failing to get the ball out quick, PFF charted him for the second-highest percentage of pressures generated by defense charged to quarterbacks. This is to say he invited too much pressure.
it's almost like playing football and developing takes some time…and actual reps.
The big difference between the situation with Allen and Hurts, and it is a BIG difference, is that those two were allowed to take their lumps and learn the position on teams that were not pulled down by their poor learning experiences. Those teams were not expected to do well in those early years. Hence, they could stink up the place and no one was all that surprised or disappointed.
In contrast, no matter how the balance of this year turns out, this current roster is going to be highly favored to make a strong playoff run in 2023 if the QB can play at a reasonably efficient level. So, while that may be just stating the obvious, it is also a fact that must be weighing heavily on the minds of not only Lynch and Shanahan but also on the minds of every fan that has seen virtually every young QB not named Mahomes struggle in their first full year or two.
DO. 