Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
NC always trying to put a team together like it's Madden.

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To be fair he isn't actually like that for the team, just the o line. Him and his buddy have convinced themselves that the trenches are where every game is won. Matt Stafford had little effect on the NFC title game, it was all about the time he had to throw.

If Command could have the choice of Josh Allen or Quentin Nelson there is zero chance he picks Allen. Or Aaron Donald. Dime a dozen.

anyone who does not think the line play is the key to winning games. well i just do not know

So you are picking a guy in the trenches over Josh Allen or Aaron Donald?

Again,...alot of hyperbole @ work here. We're leaving out substance for overly-used cliches that are "indisputable" because they "just are."

if the line comes out and plays great, i will own up to it. if they play badly. i am sure. the deniers will just say. well it will take a few games to jell. the concern about the line is not hyberbole... a seasoned josh allen in front of a questionable pass protection line is one thing... a rookie like trey in front of a line that has one legit player is not good

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by cciowa:
anyone who does not think the line play is the key to winning games. well i just do not know

The key to winning games is consistent QB play. Pass blocking alone doesn't guarantee that. PFF has studied the diminishing returns on pass blocking.

Watch the Bills this season cciowa and tell me your conclusion is their o line is their key to winning.

a seasoned josh allen can band aid a poor line.,... we have seen that with our own team.. ck footwork made the bad pass protection line better.. for a while.. when jimmy first came before he got hurt. his footwork made the o line look better. a rookie qb with a poor pass protection line... and no one says... they need all pros at every spot......... not a good combo in my opinion. hope we can find ways to win in spite of the o line and hope trey does not pay the price for "JELLLING"

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I just didn't like the pick then and don't think he has that "it" factor. I also didn't like what they gave up to get him, I wish they would've gave that kind of capitol up for a Matt Stafford or Deshaun Watson (before all that happy ending s**t of course). Not saying he won't have a decent career with probably 4000 yards passing, I know he most likely will. But that stuff won't impress me I could careless, people hardly remember Jeff Garcia pass for 4000 yards.

How do you measure how much 'it' a player has? I'd say all NFLers have some level of 'it', that's how they made it this far, but PFF doesn't have any analytics for it-ness. Do you think a player can be up in the gym just working on his it-ness? Or is it-ness innate?

Who said I take measure, it's my opinion. This feels like Alex Smith 2005 all over again.

How do you make that determination that a player doesn't have enough of 'it'? Gut feeling? I'm just wondering how this is quantified, and whether a player can increase his level of it-ness.

Well how would you, I mean I just gave you my opinion, what's yours??

My opinion is it-ness is some abstract term that is thrown around when there isn't a well thought out argument to be made. What is "it"? Is it being clutch? Is it some magical aura around a player? Is it persevering when the odds are stacked against the player?

Here's a good example of "It" factor to me. That feel good feeling, people even calling him "The One" after his first start. Lol

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189603-qb-jimmy-garoppolo-thread/page492/

A lot of good stuff in there. Excitement, joy, a sense of relief.

I just don't get that seeing Trey Lance in college and his starts last season. Like I said he could go on to have a decent career, prove me wrong and win the Super Bowl, I'll wait.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I just didn't like the pick then and don't think he has that "it" factor. I also didn't like what they gave up to get him, I wish they would've gave that kind of capitol up for a Matt Stafford or Deshaun Watson (before all that happy ending s**t of course). Not saying he won't have a decent career with probably 4000 yards passing, I know he most likely will. But that stuff won't impress me I could careless, people hardly remember Jeff Garcia pass for 4000 yards.

How do you measure how much 'it' a player has? I'd say all NFLers have some level of 'it', that's how they made it this far, but PFF doesn't have any analytics for it-ness. Do you think a player can be up in the gym just working on his it-ness? Or is it-ness innate?

Who said I take measure, it's my opinion. This feels like Alex Smith 2005 all over again.

How do you make that determination that a player doesn't have enough of 'it'? Gut feeling? I'm just wondering how this is quantified, and whether a player can increase his level of it-ness.

Well how would you, I mean I just gave you my opinion, what's yours??

My opinion is it-ness is some abstract term that is thrown around when there isn't a well thought out argument to be made. What is "it"? Is it being clutch? Is it some magical aura around a player? Is it persevering when the odds are stacked against the player?

Here's a good example of "It" factor to me. That feel good feeling, people even calling him "The One" after his first start. Lol

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189603-qb-jimmy-garoppolo-thread/page492/

A lot of good stuff in there. Excitement, joy, a sense of relief.

I just don't get that seeing Trey Lance in college and his starts last season. Like I said he could go on to have a decent career, prove me wrong and win the Super Bowl, I'll wait.

Lol if winning the superbowl is the bar to judge QBs, why are you so stuck on Jimmy?

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I just didn't like the pick then and don't think he has that "it" factor. I also didn't like what they gave up to get him, I wish they would've gave that kind of capitol up for a Matt Stafford or Deshaun Watson (before all that happy ending s**t of course). Not saying he won't have a decent career with probably 4000 yards passing, I know he most likely will. But that stuff won't impress me I could careless, people hardly remember Jeff Garcia pass for 4000 yards.

How do you measure how much 'it' a player has? I'd say all NFLers have some level of 'it', that's how they made it this far, but PFF doesn't have any analytics for it-ness. Do you think a player can be up in the gym just working on his it-ness? Or is it-ness innate?

Who said I take measure, it's my opinion. This feels like Alex Smith 2005 all over again.

How do you make that determination that a player doesn't have enough of 'it'? Gut feeling? I'm just wondering how this is quantified, and whether a player can increase his level of it-ness.

Well how would you, I mean I just gave you my opinion, what's yours??

My opinion is it-ness is some abstract term that is thrown around when there isn't a well thought out argument to be made. What is "it"? Is it being clutch? Is it some magical aura around a player? Is it persevering when the odds are stacked against the player?

Here's a good example of "It" factor to me. That feel good feeling, people even calling him "The One" after his first start. Lol

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189603-qb-jimmy-garoppolo-thread/page492/

A lot of good stuff in there. Excitement, joy, a sense of relief.

I just don't get that seeing Trey Lance in college and his starts last season. Like I said he could go on to have a decent career, prove me wrong and win the Super Bowl, I'll wait.

So Jimmy showed enough 'it' based off his first career 49er start, but Lance does not have enough of the it in your opinion, which is totally fine. Seems baseless to me and is simply a gut feeling. I will bucket this into the, 'trust me bro' category.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I just didn't like the pick then and don't think he has that "it" factor. I also didn't like what they gave up to get him, I wish they would've gave that kind of capitol up for a Matt Stafford or Deshaun Watson (before all that happy ending s**t of course). Not saying he won't have a decent career with probably 4000 yards passing, I know he most likely will. But that stuff won't impress me I could careless, people hardly remember Jeff Garcia pass for 4000 yards.

How do you measure how much 'it' a player has? I'd say all NFLers have some level of 'it', that's how they made it this far, but PFF doesn't have any analytics for it-ness. Do you think a player can be up in the gym just working on his it-ness? Or is it-ness innate?

Who said I take measure, it's my opinion. This feels like Alex Smith 2005 all over again.

How do you make that determination that a player doesn't have enough of 'it'? Gut feeling? I'm just wondering how this is quantified, and whether a player can increase his level of it-ness.

Well how would you, I mean I just gave you my opinion, what's yours??

My opinion is it-ness is some abstract term that is thrown around when there isn't a well thought out argument to be made. What is "it"? Is it being clutch? Is it some magical aura around a player? Is it persevering when the odds are stacked against the player?

Here's a good example of "It" factor to me. That feel good feeling, people even calling him "The One" after his first start. Lol

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189603-qb-jimmy-garoppolo-thread/page492/

A lot of good stuff in there. Excitement, joy, a sense of relief.

I just don't get that seeing Trey Lance in college and his starts last season. Like I said he could go on to have a decent career, prove me wrong and win the Super Bowl, I'll wait.

Jimmy was in his 4th year as a pro during that start and we scored 15 points in that game. The standards of what is good and bad have changed here since 2017. Lance doesn't have the benefit of starting for a team with few expectations and a 1-10 record.

Originally posted by cciowa:
a seasoned josh allen can band aid a poor line.,... we have seen that with our own team.. ck footwork made the bad pass protection line better.. for a while.. when jimmy first came before he got hurt. his footwork made the o line look better. a rookie qb with a poor pass protection line... and no one says... they need all pros at every spot......... not a good combo in my opinion. hope we can find ways to win in spite of the o line and hope trey does not pay the price for "JELLLING"

He's band aided it his whole time as a Bill. They didn't suddenly become elite in 2020. They have never been elite. If anything he makes them better.

No one is suggesting the o line can be bad. It just doesn't have to be dominant or elite.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
What's wrong with not being a Trey Lance fan, tell me where you a fan of Kwame Harris?? Sucks when people tell the truth here it seems. To me it's better than me telling you, yah I wasn't a fan then but I'm a fan now. I've never liked the Trey Lance pick and I've stated that before.

Just stating my position on Trey Lance that's all.

what makes you more informed or better at judging a players worth or how well they will be then a NFL team that invests as much time/money in someone like Lance? You don't have a clue of what he will be and yet here you are acting like he's gonna suck and not wanting to be a fan of him….super weird as a 49er fan.

Dude has done everything you want in a player from the head up. Works his ass off, waits his turn behind Jimmy, has become a leader in the locker room, is humble. He has the athletic profile you want in a QB in 2022.

Harris much like any player in my eyes gets the chance to prove he blows and doesn't belong….I don't go into viewing rookies/young prospects as if they all suck and I'm not a fan of them until they win a Super Bowl

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We are a super bowl or bust organization since the 80s. No knock on the hard work of our players yet we reserve the highest of status to our champions in most instances. Gore and Willis were the best at their respective positions as far as I can remember in this organization and would be on the all time team but they don't have that shiny ring

No team is a Super Bowl or bust team. The goal every year regardless of the franchise is to get to the playoffs. After that it's anyone's game.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I can understand not being a Lance fan at this point since he hasn't had much playing time. It's hard to have a strong opinion on a player that hasn't been the regular starter until this season and has barely played in the pre season. I think 49er fans at least owe him a full season before they form their opinion. Jimmy got 4 years (2 injured) so we saw enough of him to know what he could and could not do. We don't know yet with Trey.

Yeah I think that's a fair statement.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We are a super bowl or bust organization since the 80s. No knock on the hard work of our players yet we reserve the highest of status to our champions in most instances. Gore and Willis were the best at their respective positions as far as I can remember in this organization and would be on the all time team but they don't have that shiny ring

No team is a Super Bowl or bust team. The goal every year regardless of the franchise is to get to the playoffs. After that it's anyone's game.

I don't know if I agree with that statement. There are definitely teams where any result short of winning the Super Bowl is going to be seen as a failure (and not just by fans with unrealistic expectations). I don't think that applies to us this year, but it does to teams like the Chiefs and Bills.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by cciowa:
a seasoned josh allen can band aid a poor line.,... we have seen that with our own team.. ck footwork made the bad pass protection line better.. for a while.. when jimmy first came before he got hurt. his footwork made the o line look better. a rookie qb with a poor pass protection line... and no one says... they need all pros at every spot......... not a good combo in my opinion. hope we can find ways to win in spite of the o line and hope trey does not pay the price for "JELLLING"

He's band aided it his whole time as a Bill. They didn't suddenly become elite in 2020. They have never been elite. If anything he makes them better.

No one is suggesting the o line can be bad. It just doesn't have to be dominant or elite.

Right now its piss poor.. i would settle for respectable.... and of course.... we are all just ASSUMING the line will be able to run block well..... if they can not even do that.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I can understand not being a Lance fan at this point since he hasn't had much playing time. It's hard to have a strong opinion on a player that hasn't been the regular starter until this season and has barely played in the pre season. I think 49er fans at least owe him a full season before they form their opinion. Jimmy got 4 years (2 injured) so we saw enough of him to know what he could and could not do. We don't know yet with Trey.

He didn't get that from the fan base. Jimmy was considered the next great QB for us after his five game span In 2017, then was considered mr "average" after we lost the super bowl, It's at that point most of us was screaming for an upgrade.

I do agree that Lance deserves a full season to prove himself, before judging him.

I just hope the OL doesn't hurt his development by allowing him to take unnecessary punishment due to poor protection.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't know if I agree with that statement. There are definitely teams where any result short of winning the Super Bowl is going to be seen as a failure (and not just by fans with unrealistic expectations). I don't think that applies to us this year, but it does to teams like the Chiefs and Bills.

No one knows the bust part of super bowl or bust like Bills fans. Don't think they'd want McDermott canned if they don't win though.