Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by eastie:
" Lance doesn't have the benefit of starting for a team with few expectations and a 1-10 record." LOL. So now we've circled the wagons and are back to defending Lance with the very same quotes we use to tear down JG. Pretzel logic.

How is it "pretzel logic". It's the truth. If we come out against the Bears and put up 15 points like Jimmy did, no one will be saying that Lance has that "it" factor, whatever that means. Jimmy in 2017 was a muddy puddle of water in the middle of the Sahara. Yea, it was refreshing at the time when we were dying of dehydration and had no other option, but now we have higher standards.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wait so we're viewing a guy that's been in the league for 8 yrs as the same as a 22 yr old about to start for the first time?

So we are only allowed view him as a 4 year vet in Josh Allen or a 3 year vet Patrick Mahomes just not an 8 year vet Jimmy?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wait so we're viewing a guy that's been in the league for 8 yrs as the same as a 22 yr old about to start for the first time?

So we are only allowed view him as a 4 year vet in Josh Allen or a 3 year vet Patrick Mahomes just not an 8 year vet Jimmy?

He's a second year player in his first year as a starter. That's how he should be viewed.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Viewing every season where we didn't win the Super Bowl as a failure seems like a miserable way to experience the game. Though you're not wrong that Lance's (and Shanahan's) tenure here will be viewed as a failure if we never win a Super Bowl or two.

I try to be realistic and temper expectations for certain years. I wasn't expecting a superbowl with tomsula or Kelly or Blaine Gabbert as our qb. There was no way I was expecting a superbowl in shannahan's first 2 seasons either. I was enjoying the game and watching how the team was being built from the ground up. I wasn't even expecting a superbowl appearance in his 3rd year. So I don't go into each season expecting a superbowl championship. But there are seasons where I do, and the last 2 seasons have disappointed.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
He's a second year player in his first year as a starter. That's how he should be viewed.

Not disputing this. I concur

So basically what this thread has turned into…it's the people who defended Jimmy until the very end vs people that are excited to see Lance play and understand he's young and inexperienced?

Ya'll are trying to find gotcha moments about Jimmy and apply them to Lance lol. Like both players are at the same juncture in their NFL careers? Give me a break with that b******t.

You can't separate your love for a player that isn't part of the team anymore and a QB no one wants to trade for. You're so bitter about all of it, that you're taking it out on a young QB who has all the qualities you want in a young player. He just starting.

One thing I stated when we moved up for a QB regardless who it was, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and waiting to see the development. Same amount of time Jimmy was given here before tossing out the criticism.

Originally posted by krizay:
So we are only allowed view him as a 4 year vet in Josh Allen or a 3 year vet Patrick Mahomes just not an 8 year vet Jimmy?

No you should view him as a 22 yr old QB that sat for a yr (and a yr before that). This is his first yr getting an off season as the starter.

I stated before we even knew who the new QB was that I would give him the benefit of the doubt because i trust this regime. Im not gonna toss out some premature criticism/hate before the kid even starts that's for sure. We want to toss out Jimmy gotcha moments why not wait until Lance has the same amount of time to play football?

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I try to be realistic and temper expectations for certain years. I wasn't expecting a superbowl with tomsula or Kelly or Blaine Gabbert as our qb. There was no way I was expecting a superbowl in shannahan's first 2 seasons either. I was enjoying the game and watching how the team was being built from the ground up. I wasn't even expecting a superbowl appearance in his 3rd year. So I don't go into each season expecting a superbowl championship. But there are seasons where I do, and the last 2 seasons have disappointed.

Last two years are perfect examples of what I was talking about. 2020 "revenge tour" one of the best rosters in football suppose to win it all according to the media…then we got struck with injuries like never before. While it sucks as a fan I can't blame anyone for it. s**t bad luck.

2021 we're not looked at as that "elite" team, they start off s**tty and we need damn near everything to go right just to get into the playoffs…they then come within a couple mins of going to the SB.

point is the goal should be the playoffs because anything can happen once you get in. Things like injuries happen to everyone and can crush even an "elite" team like SF in 2020.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No you should view him as a 22 yr old QB that sat for a yr (and a yr before that). This is his first yr getting an off season as the starter.

I stated before we even knew who the new QB was that I would give him the benefit of the doubt because i trust this regime. Im not gonna toss out some premature criticism/hate before the kid even starts that's for sure. We want to toss out Jimmy gotcha moments why not wait until Lance has the same amount of time to play football?

Because I'm viewing him as a 22 year old QB that looks exactly like what I expected him to look.

What I see him struggling with I don't think will improve. Which I've stated before we even knew who the new QB will be. What I will give him credit for he is better from the head up than I was anticipating.

His accuracy as I've stated i don't think will improve. IMO you've either got it or you don't. His penchant for looking for big plays instead of taking (and hitting) layups I'm willing to live with. That's the hand you're usually dealt with mobile QBs.

I am viewing him as his own QB. My expectations are just lower than yours or others.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by eastie:
" Lance doesn't have the benefit of starting for a team with few expectations and a 1-10 record." LOL. So now we've circled the wagons and are back to defending Lance with the very same quotes we use to tear down JG. Pretzel logic.

How is it "pretzel logic". It's the truth. If we come out against the Bears and put up 15 points like Jimmy did, no one will be saying that Lance has that "it" factor, whatever that means. Jimmy in 2017 was a muddy puddle of water in the middle of the Sahara. Yea, it was refreshing at the time when we were dying of dehydration and had no other option, but now we have higher standards.

Uh, ok. I suspect that truth could sneak up and bite you in the ass and you wouldn't know it.

Originally posted by krizay:
Because I'm viewing him as a 22 year old QB that looks exactly like what I expected him to look.

What I see him struggling with I don't think will improve. Which I've stated before we even knew who the new QB will be. What I will give him credit for he is better from the head up than I was anticipating.

His accuracy as I've stated i don't think will improve. IMO you've either got it or you don't. His penchant for looking for big plays instead of taking (and hitting) layups I'm willing to live with. That's the hand you're usually dealt with mobile QBs.

I am viewing him as his own QB. My expectations are just lower than yours or others.

Why can't it improve? Accuracy is based on timing and footwork. Those are absolutely two things that he CAN improve on. Accuracy is a learned trait not something your born with. Totally disagree

Originally posted by krizay:
Because I'm viewing him as a 22 year old QB that looks exactly like what I expected him to look.

What I see him struggling with I don't think will improve. Which I've stated before we even knew who the new QB will be. What I will give him credit for he is better from the head up than I was anticipating.

His accuracy as I've stated i don't think will improve. IMO you've either got it or you don't. His penchant for looking for big plays instead of taking (and hitting) layups I'm willing to live with. That's the hand you're usually dealt with mobile QBs.

I am viewing him as his own QB. My expectations are just lower than yours or others.

Are you just old school in thinking that accuracy doesn't improve? Do you think any QBs accuracy can't improve or are you just singling out Lance?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
Because I'm viewing him as a 22 year old QB that looks exactly like what I expected him to look.

What I see him struggling with I don't think will improve. Which I've stated before we even knew who the new QB will be. What I will give him credit for he is better from the head up than I was anticipating.

His accuracy as I've stated i don't think will improve. IMO you've either got it or you don't. His penchant for looking for big plays instead of taking (and hitting) layups I'm willing to live with. That's the hand you're usually dealt with mobile QBs.

I am viewing him as his own QB. My expectations are just lower than yours or others.

Why can't it improve? Accuracy is based on timing and footwork. Those are absolutely two things that he CAN improve on. Accuracy is a learned trait not something your born with. Totally disagree

Originally posted by genus49:

Even his accuracy last two years was terrible. Dude had a lowlight reel of AWFUL misses just from last season.

The step up he's having this year from last season is crazy and very impressive. Though adding a top flight WR helps.

Dec 14, 2020 at 7:01 PM. #292
NYniner85

I agree, accuracy overall isn't something you drastically improve at either. Props to Allen.

Originally posted by tommyncal:
Are you just old school in thinking that accuracy doesn't improve? Do you think any QBs accuracy can't improve or are you just singling out Lance?

Accuracy in general nit just Trey

Originally posted by krizay:
Because I'm viewing him as a 22 year old QB that looks exactly like what I expected him to look.

What I see him struggling with I don't think will improve. Which I've stated before we even knew who the new QB will be. What I will give him credit for he is better from the head up than I was anticipating.

His accuracy as I've stated i don't think will improve. IMO you've either got it or you don't. His penchant for looking for big plays instead of taking (and hitting) layups I'm willing to live with. That's the hand you're usually dealt with mobile QBs.

I am viewing him as his own QB. My expectations are just lower than yours or others.

You've stayed time and again how accuracy is not an area one can improve in. I'm curious why you think that. It certainly isn't because nobody ever has. I've brought up people who have. Anything and everything a person practices will improve with practice. Period. NBA players improve their shots and free throws through practice and repetition, golfers, pitchers, almost every sport revolves around accuracy, and practice to improve it. The only areas that can't be improved are physical traits. Height, body type, speed, intelligence. I do realize you've said it's just your opinion, but I can't understand why you'd think that. It's really common sense.