Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Sickaa:
I'm referring to the beginning of the 2017 season. We desperately needed a QB, and Instead of doing the smart thing, we decided to draft a DT, a DT we didn't even have room for. The F.O knew this halfway through the season when they decided to trade for Jimmy. Even after that, we all knew Jimmy was limited towards the end of 2019, but yet, we stuck with him for another year, and here we are now.

I'm referring to the years when we had losing years. We could have drafted a QB then whilst we had the chance and It wouldn't have cost us so much draft capital... None of this will mean much though If Lance becomes elite.

Sure they could have drafted a QB in 2017 but I won't hold that against them. I am a firm believer that you build a team from the inside out. We see year after year bottom feeder teams drafting QB's high and their careers end up going nowhere. Shanahan wanted Cousins, not Garoppolo but ended up being convinced that Jimmy was the way to go. I also don't think in 2020 they wanted a old QB at the end of his career and it wouldn't have been a good decision to trade for a QB who ultimately ended up missing all of last season and who is suspended again this season. They weren't in a very good position to draft a QB in 2020 either because of where they finished in 2019. They saw an opportunity to draft their guy in 2021 and they went and got him. Things don't always go as planned with anything we do in life but they did what they thought was right and, imo, the future looks bright.

I don't know personally any Niner fans wishing we drafted Mac Jones until I come on here. I do know plenty that would have had a stroke had we given up what we did to move up for Mac Jones. Especially given he went to NE at 15 without a trade up. Mac Jones on draft day was not a top 3 pick and the league spoke that day loud and clear. Mac went mid first round just as I assumed he would. I unlike a lot of posters here had no doubt we did not make that aggressive move up to take Mac Jones. At best I figured a move like that would have been a draft day trade

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Someone tell me how lynch's reaction was an indication that Lance was the pick from the start.

IMO Lynch and ownership wanted Lance. Kyle wanted Mac. Shanahan gave in.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2942548-49ers-kyle-shanahan-john-lynch-explain-how-they-decided-on-trey-lance.amp.html

Exactly how I feel. We won't for sure until decades down the line

Kyle got badgered into trading for Jimmy rather than waiting for cousins. John has came out and said he was pretty bummed about that though excited for Jimmy. No way in hell he got talked out of his guy twice. John said everyone out there input in and they work as a team but end of the day it's the head coaches decision. Kyle picked his guy. IMO

Anyone thinking Kyle didn't get his man and was pushed to get Lance is incredibly thick headed. HE picked Lynch. He is in control of damn near everything.

kyle said they listen to everyone, but Lynch literally say he defers to kyle when it comes to QB. They said they didn't even say who they both wanted until closer to draft day as to not influence each other.

you got the same people calling out Kyle saying he has TOO MUCH control then in the same breath saying he got pushed into Lance. Please. If he wanted avg ass McCorkle they would have drafted him period.

imagine Lance throwing 7 INTs in his last 5 games and going 1-4 while getting piss pounded in the playoffs…the Lance doubts/Mac lovers would be all over it….Yet not realizing that's exactly what Jones did this past yr!

He didn't even read his own article that he posted

It was a decision that was set in place last Monday when head coach Kyle Shanahan proposed the pick to general manager John Lynch, who could hardly believe that Shanahan was serious.

"You aren't f--king with me, are you?" Lynch asked.

"I don't say that word," Lynch told Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated. "That was out of character for me. But I was very excited."

Team brass kept its intentions quiet even as rumors started to link the 49ers to Alabama QB Mac Jones (who went to New England at No. 15.) But in reality, they had been in on Lance since January, when Shanahan called Lynch from Mexico and insisted he look at his tape.

Maybe at one point they wanted Mac, but once they started doing their HW, Lance was the one they wanted.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
I'm referring to the beginning of the 2017 season. We desperately needed a QB, and Instead of doing the smart thing, we decided to draft a DT, a DT we didn't even have room for. The F.O knew this halfway through the season when they decided to trade for Jimmy. Even after that, we all knew Jimmy was limited towards the end of 2019, but yet, we stuck with him for another year, and here we are now.

I'm referring to the years when we had losing years. We could have drafted a QB then whilst we had the chance and It wouldn't have cost us so much draft capital... None of this will mean much though If Lance becomes elite.

Sure they could have drafted a QB in 2017 but I won't hold that against them. I am a firm believer that you build a team from the inside out. We see year after year bottom feeder teams drafting QB's high and their careers end up going nowhere. Shanahan wanted Cousins, not Garoppolo but ended up being convinced that Jimmy was the way to go. I also don't think in 2020 they wanted a old QB at the end of his career and it wouldn't have been a good decision to trade for a QB who ultimately ended up missing all of last season and who is suspended again this season. They weren't in a very good position to draft a QB in 2020 either because of where they finished in 2019. They saw an opportunity to draft their guy in 2021 and they went and got him. Things don't always go as planned with anything we do in life but they did what they thought was right and, imo, the future looks bright.

I'm a firm believe that when you see a guy that can make every throw imaginable, from every angle, throws 60 yard bombs off his back feet, is mobile, and throws with anticipation, you draft him no matter what unless you already have an elite QB.

EDIT—the mistake these guys are making, assuming they simply didn't scout wrong, is they're playing them before they're ready. But 8 times out of 10 it's just bad scouting. Or maybe, unlucky, I guess you could say.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
I'm referring to the beginning of the 2017 season. We desperately needed a QB, and Instead of doing the smart thing, we decided to draft a DT, a DT we didn't even have room for. The F.O knew this halfway through the season when they decided to trade for Jimmy. Even after that, we all knew Jimmy was limited towards the end of 2019, but yet, we stuck with him for another year, and here we are now.

I'm referring to the years when we had losing years. We could have drafted a QB then whilst we had the chance and It wouldn't have cost us so much draft capital... None of this will mean much though If Lance becomes elite.

Sure they could have drafted a QB in 2017 but I won't hold that against them. I am a firm believer that you build a team from the inside out. We see year after year bottom feeder teams drafting QB's high and their careers end up going nowhere. Shanahan wanted Cousins, not Garoppolo but ended up being convinced that Jimmy was the way to go. I also don't think in 2020 they wanted a old QB at the end of his career and it wouldn't have been a good decision to trade for a QB who ultimately ended up missing all of last season and who is suspended again this season. They weren't in a very good position to draft a QB in 2020 either because of where they finished in 2019. They saw an opportunity to draft their guy in 2021 and they went and got him. Things don't always go as planned with anything we do in life but they did what they thought was right and, imo, the future looks bright.

I'm a firm believe that when you see a guy that can make every throw imaginable, from every angle, throws 60 yard bombs off his back feet, is mobile, and throws with anticipation, you draft him no matter what unless you already have an elite QB.

EDIT—the mistake these guys are making, assuming they simply didn't scout wrong, is they're playing them before they're ready. But 8 times out of 10 it's just bad scouting. Or maybe, unlucky, I guess you could say.

The REAL reasons why 9 NFL teams didn't draft Patrick Mahomes

I think this video is pretty good in terms of explaining why Mahomes was missed on. Mahomes wasn't this can't miss prospect and he had a ton of flaws he's probably the reason why so many teams are willing got take chances on projects now vs the nfl then. If you're Shanahan and coming into the mess that was the post Baalke 49ers id imagine he would've wanted some stability at the most important position on the team someone who could execute the system and perform the play. Prospect Mahomes was far from that.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
I'm referring to the beginning of the 2017 season. We desperately needed a QB, and Instead of doing the smart thing, we decided to draft a DT, a DT we didn't even have room for. The F.O knew this halfway through the season when they decided to trade for Jimmy. Even after that, we all knew Jimmy was limited towards the end of 2019, but yet, we stuck with him for another year, and here we are now.

I'm referring to the years when we had losing years. We could have drafted a QB then whilst we had the chance and It wouldn't have cost us so much draft capital... None of this will mean much though If Lance becomes elite.

Sure they could have drafted a QB in 2017 but I won't hold that against them. I am a firm believer that you build a team from the inside out. We see year after year bottom feeder teams drafting QB's high and their careers end up going nowhere. Shanahan wanted Cousins, not Garoppolo but ended up being convinced that Jimmy was the way to go. I also don't think in 2020 they wanted a old QB at the end of his career and it wouldn't have been a good decision to trade for a QB who ultimately ended up missing all of last season and who is suspended again this season. They weren't in a very good position to draft a QB in 2020 either because of where they finished in 2019. They saw an opportunity to draft their guy in 2021 and they went and got him. Things don't always go as planned with anything we do in life but they did what they thought was right and, imo, the future looks bright.

I'm a firm believe that when you see a guy that can make every throw imaginable, from every angle, throws 60 yard bombs off his back feet, is mobile, and throws with anticipation, you draft him no matter what unless you already have an elite QB.

EDIT—the mistake these guys are making, assuming they simply didn't scout wrong, is they're playing them before they're ready. But 8 times out of 10 it's just bad scouting. Or maybe, unlucky, I guess you could say.

I am a firm believer that if a QB doesn't have an offensive line, run game or solid weapons to throw the ball to they are setup to fail and will more times than not do so. I don't care how great they were coming out of college.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

I am a firm believer that if a QB doesn't have an offensive line, run game or solid weapons to throw the ball to they are setup to fail and will more times than not do so. I don't care how great they were coming out of college.

That's why you draft the QB, then sit him for a year or two whilst you build the foundation. Problem with that strategy Is, most teams expect Instant success and It backfires.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

I am a firm believer that if a QB doesn't have an offensive line, run game or solid weapons to throw the ball to they are setup to fail and will more times than not do so. I don't care how great they were coming out of college.

That's why you draft the QB, then sit him for a year or two whilst you build the foundation. Problem with that strategy Is, most teams expect Instant success and It backfires.

That's because there is so much pressure on the HC, GM and QB to succeed when a QB is drafted that high.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

I am a firm believer that if a QB doesn't have an offensive line, run game or solid weapons to throw the ball to they are setup to fail and will more times than not do so. I don't care how great they were coming out of college.

That's why you draft the QB, then sit him for a year or two whilst you build the foundation. Problem with that strategy Is, most teams expect Instant success and It backfires.

That's because there is so much pressure on the HC, GM and QB to succeed when a QB is drafted that high.

There is. And that's part of the problem IMO. If teams preached a little more patience with the head coaches/QBs. Ect. Who knows what's possible for those teams.

John and Kyle are betting on Trey the person. They see the physical tools but they believe it's his intangibles that is going to make him an elite QB. Work Ethic, IQ, Leadership, Hs mentality, And yes the system he is brought into. Ryan Leaf was a bust, Not because of his physical skills but because of all those intangibles I just mentioned. The same reason why Sam Darnold has been a bust. Tom Brady is the best QB all-time because of his intangibles, The same with Joe Montana. It's the reason why I don't believe Trey will be a bust, He has everything you can't teach. IMO the only way he turns into a bust is if he suffers a career altering injury.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

I am a firm believer that if a QB doesn't have an offensive line, run game or solid weapons to throw the ball to they are setup to fail and will more times than not do so. I don't care how great they were coming out of college.

That's why you draft the QB, then sit him for a year or two whilst you build the foundation. Problem with that strategy Is, most teams expect Instant success and It backfires.

That's because there is so much pressure on the HC, GM and QB to succeed when a QB is drafted that high.

There is. And that's part of the problem IMO. If teams preached a little more patience with the head coaches/QBs. Ect. Who knows what's possible for those teams.

I agree. Its sad to see the same perennial, bottom feeder teams ruining top QB prospects year after year.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
John and Kyle are betting on Trey the person. They see the physical tools but they believe it's his intangibles that is going to make him an elite QB. Work Ethic, IQ, Leadership, Hs mentality, And yes the system he is brought into. Ryan Leaf was a bust, Not because of his physical skills but because of all those intangibles I just mentioned. The same reason why Sam Darnold has been a bust. Tom Brady is the best QB all-time because of his intangibles, The same with Joe Montana. It's the reason why I don't believe Trey will be a bust, He has everything you can't teach. IMO the only way he turns into a bust is if he suffers a career altering injury.

Facts, you couldn't have said it better

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
John and Kyle are betting on Trey the person. They see the physical tools but they believe it's his intangibles that is going to make him an elite QB. Work Ethic, IQ, Leadership, Hs mentality, And yes the system he is brought into. Ryan Leaf was a bust, Not because of his physical skills but because of all those intangibles I just mentioned. The same reason why Sam Darnold has been a bust. Tom Brady is the best QB all-time because of his intangibles, The same with Joe Montana. It's the reason why I don't believe Trey will be a bust, He has everything you can't teach. IMO the only way he turns into a bust is if he suffers a career altering injury.

Facts, you couldn't have said it better

Co-signed

Originally posted by JTB1974:
John and Kyle are betting on Trey the person. They see the physical tools but they believe it's his intangibles that is going to make him an elite QB. Work Ethic, IQ, Leadership, Hs mentality, And yes the system he is brought into. Ryan Leaf was a bust, Not because of his physical skills but because of all those intangibles I just mentioned. The same reason why Sam Darnold has been a bust. Tom Brady is the best QB all-time because of his intangibles, The same with Joe Montana. It's the reason why I don't believe Trey will be a bust, He has everything you can't teach. IMO the only way he turns into a bust is if he suffers a career altering injury.

I agree that Kyle and the Krew fell in love with the character of Lance, but players can easily present the best version of themselves for the interview process. And let's be honest, every single quarterback prospect is always heralded as a leader, gym rat, wants to be the greatest, etc. Fact is, we won't know until we know.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
I'm referring to the beginning of the 2017 season. We desperately needed a QB, and Instead of doing the smart thing, we decided to draft a DT, a DT we didn't even have room for. The F.O knew this halfway through the season when they decided to trade for Jimmy. Even after that, we all knew Jimmy was limited towards the end of 2019, but yet, we stuck with him for another year, and here we are now.

I'm referring to the years when we had losing years. We could have drafted a QB then whilst we had the chance and It wouldn't have cost us so much draft capital... None of this will mean much though If Lance becomes elite.

Sure they could have drafted a QB in 2017 but I won't hold that against them. I am a firm believer that you build a team from the inside out. We see year after year bottom feeder teams drafting QB's high and their careers end up going nowhere. Shanahan wanted Cousins, not Garoppolo but ended up being convinced that Jimmy was the way to go. I also don't think in 2020 they wanted a old QB at the end of his career and it wouldn't have been a good decision to trade for a QB who ultimately ended up missing all of last season and who is suspended again this season. They weren't in a very good position to draft a QB in 2020 either because of where they finished in 2019. They saw an opportunity to draft their guy in 2021 and they went and got him. Things don't always go as planned with anything we do in life but they did what they thought was right and, imo, the future looks bright.

I'm a firm believe that when you see a guy that can make every throw imaginable, from every angle, throws 60 yard bombs off his back feet, is mobile, and throws with anticipation, you draft him no matter what unless you already have an elite QB.

EDIT—the mistake these guys are making, assuming they simply didn't scout wrong, is they're playing them before they're ready. But 8 times out of 10 it's just bad scouting. Or maybe, unlucky, I guess you could say.

I am a firm believer that if a QB doesn't have an offensive line, run game or solid weapons to throw the ball to they are setup to fail and will more times than not do so. I don't care how great they were coming out of college.

Sure. But you draft the rookie and let your veteran get smashed. Get the pieces in those two off-seasons before he takes over.