Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Happy birthday to Alex Smith!

Here are highlights of his best game ever with the #49ers.

He threw 3 TDs and ran for one against the Saints in his playoff debut.

Enjoy retirement! #Random49ers #TheCatchIIIpic.twitter.com/j6XeaOgEg7

— #Random49ers (@Random49ers) May 7, 2022

Happy Birthday to our prior 21 year old rookie franchise QB prospect. I was one of his haters, but in hindsight I was wrong in my negative opinions..

He was talented but was thrown into the fire too soon and it wrecked his confidence, something he even admitted during his excellent TED Talk. Had he sat most of the year and was brought along slowly, as well as having better and stable coaching, he'd probably would have flourished sooner.

But he did make three pro bowls and made it to the NFCCG that Kyle Williams fumbled away, so overall not a bad career. More importantly, he's a winner in what matters most, his character.

With that, as much as I believe that Trey should have started last year and probably could have made the 2 explosive plays or scrambles to put the team over the top, it's just conjecture and pointless speculation as it's on to the next season.

And looking back at Alex Smith, it was probably for the best that he sat and learned even though he was competent enough to start, as he wouldn't have so much pressure on his rookie shoulders.

Looking forward to next year, Trey will be ready as he's a 2nd year pro who appears to have been working hard all off-season.

After two heart breaking SB and NFCCG losses, I think they're due for a breakthrough.

Go Niners, and Alex, thank you.

What a game! One of my fondest Niner memories of this millennium.

Loved when he was talking a little s**t at the end. Guy never says a peep

Cohn is a Lance fanboy

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Someone tell me how lynch's reaction was an indication that Lance was the pick from the start.

IMO Lynch and ownership wanted Lance. Kyle wanted Mac. Shanahan gave in.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2942548-49ers-kyle-shanahan-john-lynch-explain-how-they-decided-on-trey-lance.amp.html

Exactly how I feel. We won't for sure until decades down the line

Kyle got badgered into trading for Jimmy rather than waiting for cousins. John has came out and said he was pretty bummed about that though excited for Jimmy. No way in hell he got talked out of his guy twice. John said everyone out there input in and they work as a team but end of the day it's the head coaches decision. Kyle picked his guy. IMO

Yes. My guess is Kyle initially liked all of them, but during the interview process came to realize Trey had all the mental acumen he values while also a high degree of raw, malleable talent.

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Someone tell me how lynch's reaction was an indication that Lance was the pick from the start.

IMO Lynch and ownership wanted Lance. Kyle wanted Mac. Shanahan gave in.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2942548-49ers-kyle-shanahan-john-lynch-explain-how-they-decided-on-trey-lance.amp.html

Exactly how I feel. We won't for sure until decades down the line

Kyle got badgered into trading for Jimmy rather than waiting for cousins. John has came out and said he was pretty bummed about that though excited for Jimmy. No way in hell he got talked out of his guy twice. John said everyone out there input in and they work as a team but end of the day it's the head coaches decision. Kyle picked his guy. IMO

Anyone thinking Kyle didn't get his man and was pushed to get Lance is incredibly thick headed. HE picked Lynch. He is in control of damn near everything.

kyle said they listen to everyone, but Lynch literally say he defers to kyle when it comes to QB. They said they didn't even say who they both wanted until closer to draft day as to not influence each other.

you got the same people calling out Kyle saying he has TOO MUCH control then in the same breath saying he got pushed into Lance. Please. If he wanted avg ass McCorkle they would have drafted him period.

imagine Lance throwing 7 INTs in his last 5 games and going 1-4 while getting piss pounded in the playoffs…the Lance doubts/Mac lovers would be all over it….Yet not realizing that's exactly what Jones did this past yr!

Originally posted by krizay:
McCorkle didn't have Kyle Shanahan, Deebo, Aiyuk or George Kittle. His #1 was our #3 2 years ago.

As for the losses. Thought wins and losses weren't a QB stat?

Yeah he had McDainels/Bill and a roster where Bill spent more cash then he has EVER spent during a free agency. Paid for multiple WRs, had a fine OL, paid for two top end TEs, had a great running game, top 5 D, easy schedule etc. Yeah poor Mac he didn't get to have all the top players in the country.

as for the losses, I guess 7 INTs in his past 5 games didn't play a part in that.

like I said if was Lance at the beginning of the yr or end of the yr, you and the McCorkle homers would be having a fit. At least be honest about it

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah he had McDainels/Bill and a roster where Bill spent more cash then he has EVER spent during a free agency. Paid for multiple WRs, had a fine OL, paid for two top end TEs, had a great running game, top 5 D, easy schedule etc. Yeah poor Mac he didn't get to have all the top players in the country.

as for the losses, I guess 7 INTs in his past 5 games didn't play a part in that.

like I said if was Lance at the beginning of the yr or end of the yr, you and the McCorkle homers would be having a fit. At least be honest about it

If Lance went 1-4 and threw 7 ints in his last 5 games yet STILL MADE THE PLAYOFFS. I believe everyone would have been happy.

We also would have expected a loss in the playoffs because Kendrick Bourne and Jakobi Myers were our top targets versus the #1 defense

Someone pointed out that if the Niners hadn't traded up and selected Trey in 2021, they would have either had to pay a high price for a free agent this year or face another year with JG hoping he could make it through the season. The gamble may not pay off but they had to do something.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Someone tell me how lynch's reaction was an indication that Lance was the pick from the start.

IMO Lynch and ownership wanted Lance. Kyle wanted Mac. Shanahan gave in.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2942548-49ers-kyle-shanahan-john-lynch-explain-how-they-decided-on-trey-lance.amp.html

Exactly how I feel. We won't for sure until decades down the line

Kyle got badgered into trading for Jimmy rather than waiting for cousins. John has came out and said he was pretty bummed about that though excited for Jimmy. No way in hell he got talked out of his guy twice. John said everyone out there input in and they work as a team but end of the day it's the head coaches decision. Kyle picked his guy. IMO

Anyone thinking Kyle didn't get his man and was pushed to get Lance is incredibly thick headed. HE picked Lynch. He is in control of damn near everything.

kyle said they listen to everyone, but Lynch literally say he defers to kyle when it comes to QB. They said they didn't even say who they both wanted until closer to draft day as to not influence each other.

you got the same people calling out Kyle saying he has TOO MUCH control then in the same breath saying he got pushed into Lance. Please. If he wanted avg ass McCorkle they would have drafted him period.

imagine Lance throwing 7 INTs in his last 5 games and going 1-4 while getting piss pounded in the playoffs…the Lance doubts/Mac lovers would be all over it….Yet not realizing that's exactly what Jones did this past yr!

Also , add to that, the contentious 3 firsts "blown" on Trey. Well, last yr that was fairly hot button topic, and continued this yr, right until…DRAFT day. It wasn't until draft was well underway that the underwhelming talent at QB started to get bandied about . Most everyone knew QB talent was thin, but a lot of folks last yr who were really upset about the 3 firsts dropped on QB then…suddenly got the wake up call as the draft moved on.

There isn't a fan around who would argue about how skinny QB position was this draft. Ding ding…but how many realized that among other things, when KS/JL made the Trey pick, that kyle was also looking ahead to 2022 when Trey was decided upon, and realized if it wasn't Trey last yr, it would be worse than slim pickin's this yr at QB. And that was a large part of the Trey trade last yr. So Kudos to KS/JL for their gutsy move and forethought LAST yr.

Moaners can say all they want, and we can all wait and see how Trey progresses…but those same folks have to give a tip of the hat to Kyle…and John…for not only evaluating QB Trey last yr, but also figuring him into this yr. And had kyle not gotten Trey, we would be in deep doo doo this yr at QB slot. That Trey pick last yr was a lot more than just getting a potential FRQB…it was also about looking into the 4th dimension…TiME…and making that a very large part of our "3 firsts" QB.

Sure, there was a contingent (LAST yr) that felt ,"Shoot, why not just wait in 2021 draft and Trey may very well have been there at #13. However, when one goes back over the 2022 draft, how many were factoring in the extraordinary skinniness of QB in 2022? I sure wasn't and was one of those who was in the camp of "wait until the draft comes to us". Had we done that and Trey had gotten picked off before our turn, right now i , as well as a lot of others, would have a massive stomach ulcer and would be wondering ""jeez, why didn't we move up to take Trey". Answer to that is, moving up to 3rd pick in draft last yr was the ONLY way we were GTD of a potential FRQB this yr.

Takeaway? Kyle is a helluva lot smarter than some fans think. He can be hard-headed at times, but there is no question he is one brilliant HC…and the Trey scenario is just part and parcel of that.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Someone pointed out that if the Niners hadn't traded up and selected Trey in 2021, they would have either had to pay a high price for a free agent this year or face another year with JG hoping he could make it through the season. The gamble may not pay off but they had to do something.

Probably Is, the 9ers had multiple years to draft their guy, but Instead, they stuck with Jimmy, and now they've had to give up a arm and a leg to draft a franchise QB. Let's Just hope It was worth it.

Matt Lombardo can go back to his basement and please himself over clips of jimmy g. Although they will all be of jimmy on the sidelines
because there is nothing pleasing about his on field performances. There was no reason to post that remark, none. Trey is our guy and lets give the kid a chance to prove himself on the field before s**t bird haters start ripping him up. Trey is as good or better than Jimmy at this point of his career. Jimmy is not getting better. His head is through the "potential ceiling". He is done… Cut him now and remove the distraction. He has no value. None. Let someone else suffer from is presence on the roster.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Someone pointed out that if the Niners hadn't traded up and selected Trey in 2021, they would have either had to pay a high price for a free agent this year or face another year with JG hoping he could make it through the season. The gamble may not pay off but they had to do something.

Probably Is, the 9ers had multiple years to draft their guy, but Instead, they stuck with Jimmy, and now they've had to give up a arm and a leg to draft a franchise QB. Let's Just hope It was worth it.

What multiple years exactly? 2018 season, following a longterm contract, he spent all but 2 1/2 games on injured reserve. 2019 season Jimmy was pretty solid until the playoffs. I guess they could have went after a QB during the 2020 off season but opted to stick with Jimmy another season. During the 2020 season is when, I am sure, they decided they were going to go in another direction. Hence, the trade up to the 3 spot to draft Trey Lance. So again, what multiple years exactly?

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Someone pointed out that if the Niners hadn't traded up and selected Trey in 2021, they would have either had to pay a high price for a free agent this year or face another year with JG hoping he could make it through the season. The gamble may not pay off but they had to do something.

Probably Is, the 9ers had multiple years to draft their guy, but Instead, they stuck with Jimmy, and now they've had to give up a arm and a leg to draft a franchise QB. Let's Just hope It was worth it.

I'm sure they looked at 2021 as an opportunity to maybe land a true difference maker even though he was raw. They don't usually have a draft pick high enough to land a top QB or even move up. When injuries hit them hard they had a bad season so ended up with a higher pick.

This season they were a lot better and couldn't have moved up even if there was a guy a #3. It was a bad year for QBs anyway. Next season will be better but they would still need to finish in the bottom part of the league to get high enough pick to land one of the better QBs. They would have been in a really bad spot come 2023 with no good draft opportunities and the top free agent QBs already moved in 2022.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Someone pointed out that if the Niners hadn't traded up and selected Trey in 2021, they would have either had to pay a high price for a free agent this year or face another year with JG hoping he could make it through the season. The gamble may not pay off but they had to do something.

I think they said last year that they made the gamble knowing that this 2022 QB class wouldn´t be nearly as good as 2021. They had to go all in and doing it with a QB like Trey Lance is a good thing. We´ll see what happens next.
If they didn´t make that move, I think we would be in a dangerous situation. And I fear we could have been one of the teams wanting to trade for Deshaun Watson. Thank god we avoided that.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Someone pointed out that if the Niners hadn't traded up and selected Trey in 2021, they would have either had to pay a high price for a free agent this year or face another year with JG hoping he could make it through the season. The gamble may not pay off but they had to do something.

Probably Is, the 9ers had multiple years to draft their guy, but Instead, they stuck with Jimmy, and now they've had to give up a arm and a leg to draft a franchise QB. Let's Just hope It was worth it.

What multiple years exactly? 2018 season, following a longterm contract, he spent all but 2 1/2 games on injured reserve. 2019 season Jimmy was pretty solid until the playoffs. I guess they could have went after a QB during the 2020 off season but opted to stick with Jimmy another season. During the 2020 season is when, I am sure, they decided they were going to go in another direction. Hence, the trade up to the 3 spot to draft Trey Lance. So again, what multiple years exactly?

I'm referring to the beginning of the 2017 season. We desperately needed a QB, and Instead of doing the smart thing, we decided to draft a DT, a DT we didn't even have room for. The F.O knew this halfway through the season when they decided to trade for Jimmy. Even after that, we all knew Jimmy was limited towards the end of 2019, but yet, we stuck with him for another year, and here we are now.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm sure they looked at 2021 as an opportunity to maybe land a true difference maker even though he was raw. They don't usually have a draft pick high enough to land a top QB or even move up. When injuries hit them hard they had a bad season so ended up with a higher pick.

This season they were a lot better and couldn't have moved up even if there was a guy a #3. It was a bad year for QBs anyway. Next season will be better but they would still need to finish in the bottom part of the league to get high enough pick to land one of the better QBs. They would have been in a really bad spot come 2023 with no good draft opportunities and the top free agent QBs already moved in 2022.

I'm referring to the years when we had losing years. We could have drafted a QB then whilst we had the chance and It wouldn't have cost us so much draft capital... None of this will mean much though If Lance becomes elite.

Weaknesses:
Jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none-type prospect
Could struggle to separate from some NFL cornerbacks
Lacks speed
Not sudden
Not overly fast in and out of breaks
Not a burner deep threat
Not overly big or physical

Niners Nation Opinion:

CONS
His speed leaves a little to be desired.
Ran a slow 40 at the combine, and wasn't the fastest receiver on tape either.
Seems limited to the slot receiver position.
Needs to continue to build and grow his route tree, and become a more confident route runner at the next level.
Had trouble with separation from defenders at points this season (links to his speed), and will really need to rely on his feet and fakes, to create separation at the next level.

All things said about the offensive player of the year and Super Bowl MVP.