Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Whereas it's troubling to some of us is that the goal apparently is build an elite team while being fine with just ok qb play.

That's troubling to me as well, and clearly the organization has attempted to address it. That's probably why they were connected to Rodgers, Brady, Watson, and Stafford.

You can't force it though when it isn't there. They drafted a QB with next to no experience at an elite QB price in draft capital. A boom or bust project that the team acknowledged likely won't be ready to be that upgrade in the first year of his career while the team is in win now mode. And here we are in year two with almost the exact same questions going forward.

It is in fact possible they made the situation worse.

We are on the same page. I felt they forced things ever since the trade up. I had complete trust in the FO and Kyle until then.

I'm just so happy the front office did not draft Mac Jones. The guy was absolute garbage at the end of the season and that's with throwing a ton of easy throws to his running back's (most in the league) and of course choking when it mattered most in the playoffs. This is WITH a great defense and running game helping him. Talk about regressing. So I DO have complete trust in the front office since then.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
We are on the same page. I felt they forced things ever since the trade up. I had complete trust in the FO and Kyle until then.

Kyle the coach is elite.

Kyle the GM is far from it, and I still think we have lingering FO issues that might not ever be going away.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I don't disagree with any of this. I'm just not assuming that Trey Lance is going to come in, leave no doubt, and take the job. Not based on what I've actually seen.

He still should be treated as the starter going into camp. Get all the reps he can. It should be his job to lose. If it's even close it should be his. I just won't be surprised if he isn't still ready. I won't blame him either, as I've said a few times earlier in this thread. If the team was in transition, or in the midst of a rebuild, I'd say throw caution to the wind. Obviously that isn't the case. One of my biggest issues here (and it should be obvious by now) is the timing of this pick with the state of the team. It's already a failure to me given we burned a very real shot at adding to a team that was right on the doorstep this past year. You don't get those chances back.

There's nuance here.

It was bad for the team to not get an immediate upgrade at the position given what we paid and given where the team is.
It's bad for Trey Lance that we might not be able to get him the reps he needs without possibly sacrificing the teams goals (as would have been the case last year)
Jimmy G is a sub average starting QB.
Jimmy G may still be the best option we have for next season.

Which makes no sense because Trey vs Houston was basically the same as Jimmy vs Atlanta. So a guy with no experience in his 2nd start plays to a similar level to Jimmy.

So how is he the better option? Stands to reason if you give the raw guy all the reps he's gonna be even better doesn't it?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Which makes no sense because Trey vs Houston was basically the same as Jimmy vs Atlanta. So a guy with no experience in his 2nd start plays to a similar level to Jimmy.

So how is he the better option? Stands to reason if you give the raw guy all the reps he's gonna be even better doesn't it?

Well I agree that it would make no sense if they were playing at a similar level. They definitely weren't though. Don't take for my word for it. Look what the professional, top tier, coaches on our team decided. I promise you don't know more than them. Especially if you watched Trey Lance in his limited time and thought he was playing the position at the same level as Jimmy, as lacking as he is.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well I agree that it would make no sense if they were playing at a similar level. They definitely weren't though. Don't take for my word for it. Look what the professional, top tier, coaches on our team decided. I promise you don't know more than them. Especially if you watched Trey Lance in his limited time and thought he was playing the position at the same level as Jimmy, as lacking as he is.

Kyle deferred to the vet. He has that tendency. I get it but it was a mistake, which has now cost the team the ability to trade Jimmy for decent compensation.

Even if you wanna argue Jimmy "knows" the position better, Trey put up similar numbers against equivalent competition. That tells me that the gap is very small and with a years worth of off-season work coupled with all the reps I'm confident he will be better than Jimmy Garoppolo in 2022. Where does that translate to the bigger NFL picture I do not know.

As soon as someone gives the 9ers a real offer for Jimmy he's traded. If no one does he's cut.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Lol I see more talent up close then you guys do, it's obviously given me an advantage in knowing what to look for. I've been spot in about everybody I've had an opinion on so far when the rest of the board has been sunshine pumping. Furthermore, you guys think I'm a Mac fan because I didn't crap on him in his thread, I could care less about him or the patriots. But it's no secret him plus 2 1st round picks is a much better option than Lance.
None of this matters, the Niners are about to fall off hard and the Bengals about to be the next semi dynasty. They are about to roll with Burrow and a revamped o line.

Yes....lol...."the Niners".

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Which makes no sense because Trey vs Houston was basically the same as Jimmy vs Atlanta. So a guy with no experience in his 2nd start plays to a similar level to Jimmy.

So how is he the better option? Stands to reason if you give the raw guy all the reps he's gonna be even better doesn't it?

Well I agree that it would make no sense if they were playing at a similar level. They definitely weren't though. Don't take for my word for it. Look what the professional, top tier, coaches on our team decided. I promise you don't know more than them. Especially if you watched Trey Lance in his limited time and thought he was playing the position at the same level as Jimmy, as lacking as he is.

I think you are confusing performance with experience. They stayed with Jimmy the vet because that was the smart thing to do given rookie Trey's limited experience.

Originally posted by random49er:
Yes....lol...."the Niners".

People in other threads telling me guys aren't actively rooting for Trey to fail. Cmon.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
We are on the same page. I felt they forced things ever since the trade up. I had complete trust in the FO and Kyle until then.

Kyle the coach is elite.

Kyle the GM is far from it, and I still think we have lingering FO issues that might not ever be going away.

Kyle isn't the GM.

Originally posted by Polkadots:
100% agree. I just can't imagine those will be the only two possibilities. I am no fan of JG, but that lack of value / interest would shock me considerably.

What teams do you think there will be left even wanting a QB?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Lol I see more talent up close then you guys do, it's obviously given me an advantage in knowing what to look for. I've been spot in about everybody I've had an opinion on so far when the rest of the board has been sunshine pumping. Furthermore, you guys think I'm a Mac fan because I didn't crap on him in his thread, I could care less about him or the patriots. But it's no secret him plus 2 1st round picks is a much better option than Lance.
None of this matters, the Niners are about to fall off hard and the Bengals about to be the next semi dynasty. They are about to roll with Burrow and a revamped o line.

Yes....lol...."the Niners".

"Keep our team name out your mouth"

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Kyle deferred to the vet. He has that tendency. I get it but it was a mistake, which has now cost the team the ability to trade Jimmy for decent compensation.

Even if you wanna argue Jimmy "knows" the position better, Trey put up similar numbers against equivalent competition. That tells me that the gap is very small and with a years worth of off-season work coupled with all the reps I'm confident he will be better than Jimmy Garoppolo in 2022. Where does that translate to the bigger NFL picture I do not know.

As soon as someone gives the 9ers a real offer for Jimmy he's traded. If no one does he's cut.

There's more to evaluating QBs than looking at box score numbers my friend. That aside, you still have some very interesting takes on these two games.

Houston and Atlanta were not equivalent competition. Atlanta was still in a position to contend for a playoff spot going into that game. If the 49ers had lost to the Falcons, they would have been behind them in the playoff race. The Texans were a bottom 5 team all year long with nothing to play for. The 49ers were LOSING the game to that Texans team at halftime. I remember having a s**t fit at how much of a struggle it was given what was on the line. Trey Lance was a complete mess in the 1st half. Yes he recovered, settled in, and made a couple plays... but it was far from what you'd want to see at the QB position for a team primed for a playoff run. That's not to say Jimmy G is that guy. He was just much closer to it last season.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Kyle isn't the GM.

He doesn't have the title, but he most certainly has final say on the roster.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Whereas it's troubling to some of us is that the goal apparently is build an elite team while being fine with just ok qb play.

That's troubling to me as well, and clearly the organization has attempted to address it. That's probably why they were connected to Rodgers, Brady, Watson, and Stafford.

You can't force it though when it isn't there. They drafted a QB with next to no experience at an elite QB price in draft capital. A boom or bust project that the team acknowledged likely won't be ready to be that upgrade in the first year of his career while the team is in win now mode. And here we are in year two with almost the exact same questions going forward.

It is in fact possible they made the situation worse.

We are on the same page.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
What teams do you think there will be left even wanting a QB?

I can't answer you today. My point is only that I believe at least one team will be willing to give up something for JG. That's all. If JG holds so little value no team will part with anything for him, that would shock me considerably. Full stop.