Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Whether or not they received offers does not negate the fact that they were actively shopping him. They wouldn't have been shopping him if they didn't believe Trey was ready to take over. They may or may not have been offered two 2nds for him. What we do know is that all that talk came to an end when Jimmy out of nowhere decided he needed shoulder surgery. No team is going to give up any meaningful draft capital for a guy with durability issues who won't be able to throw until late July and will take up $25.5 million in cap space.

Lynch said they weren't going to cut him. Kyle seemed on the fence about it as he said they didn't have to make that decidion any time soon. I wouldn't cut him either at this point. They would be on the hook for $7.5 million. They need all of that money to resign Deebo and their draft picks. So the best option is to wait until Jimmy passes his medical exam so that they will owe him nothing if they do decide to cut him.

The question is what were they legitimately willing to take for him. It's easy to say 'we're shopping player x' and then ask for something well beyond the market value for player x.

It seems absolutely absurd to say you have an offer of 2 2's for Jimmy, not take it, and then watch Matt Ryan go for a 3rd. So, yea... maybe they were willing to trade some Trey Lance insurance for an offer they were never going to get. Do you understand what I'm pitching here?

Put dreams of Trey Lance being Patrick Mahomes like as a starter in his first season aside for a minute. What would you rather have going into next season? A guarantee of least the quality of Jimmy G at starting QB, or a 4th round pick?

Really? The fake offer could have been an attempt to drive up the market. They didn't plan on Jimmy needing surgery out of nowhere. That threw a wrench in their plans. Kyle stated as much. Now its in the best interest for the team that they keep him long enough to keep all the money they would owe him. Its not rocket science.

"That's why we looked into trading Jimmy, because we obviously believe Trey can be the starter and we're ready to do that," Shanahan said.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
So Trey is established at

1) Going through progressions

2) Moving safeties and linebackers with his eyes

3) Throwing with anticipation

4) Looking downfield to make plays

5) Composure under pressure

6) Making difficult throws

Yet he's not even named the starter because he has to earn it against a practice squad guy not an actual vet that he would ACTUALLY have to earn it from...

Lol this place. 10 quarters.

Yeah, it's consistent with what NFL scouts have noted about him.

Trey Lance

Prospect Grade

6.47

Will Become Good Starter Within Two Years

Strengths

Film junkie with high football IQ and an NFL frame.
Makes calls to set his own protections.
Bouncy feet for accelerated pocket setups.
Play-fake aficionado from under center, causing defenders to consistently bite
.Passing scheme encourages full-field reads.Processes progressions very quickly and can work to his fourth read when protected.
Able to mentally recalibrate his attack when play comes off schedule.
Taking care of the football is a priority for him.Rarely takes bait against zone defenders and safeties looking to pounce.
Compact, twitchy release partially mitigates his windup.
Makes attempt to throw targets away from coverage.
Adequate anticipation on timing routes.
Makes quality touch throws into sideline buckets and over linebackers.
Knows his way around pocket and can make sudden escapes.
Above-average speed, athleticism and power when he's on the move as a runner.
Able to move the chains in a variety of ways.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-lance/32004c41-4e01-6787-f7d5-ee3cea053121

And in regards to him playing only 10 quarters, well that's 2 more played than the 8 that made Jimmy a hot prospect .

Jimmy Year 3:

43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.

2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins

*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.

Lance Year 1:

41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating

2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.

Damn... Super Bowl already. I mean if he's what you say were going to the Super Bowl. He's basically a pro bowler already because he did things against literal scrubs with the talent of Alabama as far as the FCS goes.

He was drafted 3rd overall and would have been #1 this year. He was hyped up as a franchise QB based on redshirt freshman season.

There's always been hype surrounding him and for good reason. And he better get #6 or it's all for nothing.

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/platform/amp/2021/2/5/22266670/is-north-dakota-state-qb-trey-lance-worth-all-the-hype-2021-nfl-draft-pittsburgh-steelers-news

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Really? The fake offer could have been an attempt to drive up the market. They didn't plan on Jimmy needing surgery out of nowhere. That threw a wrench in their plans. Kyle stated as much. Now its in the best interest for the team that they keep him long enough to keep all the money they would owe him. Its not rocket science.

The claim of 2 2nds was obviously an attempt to drive up the market. If they would have had that offer, and they were comfortable with Trey starting, they would have taken it in a heartbeat.

Let's pretend Jimmy didn't have his surgery. Do you think healthy Jimmy G is worth 2 2nds in a market where Matt Ryan is worth a 3rd? Matt Ryan is easily the better player especially for any team that might think it needs competent QB play to take the next step, like the Colts, or Saints etc.

The answer to that question is no. So if the 49ers are asking for that or better in an attempt to drive up the market, how serious are they about a need to get him off the roster and books? Not very serious.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Really? The fake offer could have been an attempt to drive up the market. They didn't plan on Jimmy needing surgery out of nowhere. That threw a wrench in their plans. Kyle stated as much. Now its in the best interest for the team that they keep him long enough to keep all the money they would owe him. Its not rocket science.

The claim of 2 2nds was obviously an attempt to drive up the market. If they would have had that offer, and they were comfortable with Trey starting, they would have taken it in a heartbeat.

Let's pretend Jimmy didn't have his surgery. Do you think healthy Jimmy G is worth 2 2nds in a market where Matt Ryan is worth a 3rd? Matt Ryan is easily the better player especially for any team that might think it needs competent QB play to take the next step, like the Colts, or Saints etc.

The answer to that question is no. So if the 49ers are asking for that or better in an attempt to drive up the market, how serious are they about a need to get him off the roster and books? Not very serious.

The better question would be. If they were offered a 3rd for Jimmy, would they have turned it down?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
The claim of 2 2nds was obviously an attempt to drive up the market. If they would have had that offer, and they were comfortable with Trey starting, they would have taken it in a heartbeat.

Let's pretend Jimmy didn't have his surgery. Do you think healthy Jimmy G is worth 2 2nds in a market where Matt Ryan is worth a 3rd? Matt Ryan is easily the better player especially for any team that might think it needs competent QB play to take the next step, like the Colts, or Saints etc.

The answer to that question is no. So if the 49ers are asking for that or better in an attempt to drive up the market, how serious are they about a need to get him off the roster and books? Not very serious.

I totally understand where you are coming from. And, in theory, I agree.

I'll only add I do not think the 49ers ever had an offer of two second round picks. In fact, I am not sure they have had any substantial offers (say, a third in 2022, or more). I think either the 49ers grossly overvalued JG's NFL value and have turned down trades based on their perceived value, or they have serious reservations re Lance. Like I have said a number of times, I can't imagine, nor has anyone posed, any realistic alternatives.

I still do not think they cut JG. They will get something for him. Or, they end up keeping him on the books for 25M (because he isn't taking a pay cut), which I understand in part (strong QB room), but @ 25M...I'll never agree with that aspect.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The better question would be. If they were offered a 3rd for Jimmy, would they have turned it down?

Why would you ever think that a possibility when they are publicly saying they had an offer of 2 2nds? We both agree it's an attempt to drive up the market, or at least agree it's very likely an attempt to do so.

It just doesn't make sense that they would do that looking for a 3.

If it was me and a 3rd was the best I could get for Jimmy G, I'm bringing him into camp just in case Trey doesn't look ready. Having a QB you can trust on a SB caliber team is more important than a 3rd round pick.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
The claim of 2 2nds was obviously an attempt to drive up the market. If they would have had that offer, and they were comfortable with Trey starting, they would have taken it in a heartbeat.

Let's pretend Jimmy didn't have his surgery. Do you think healthy Jimmy G is worth 2 2nds in a market where Matt Ryan is worth a 3rd? Matt Ryan is easily the better player especially for any team that might think it needs competent QB play to take the next step, like the Colts, or Saints etc.

The answer to that question is no. So if the 49ers are asking for that or better in an attempt to drive up the market, how serious are they about a need to get him off the roster and books? Not very serious.

I totally understand where you are coming from. And, in theory, I agree.

I'll only add I do not think the 49ers ever had an offer of two second round picks. In fact, I am not sure they have had any substantial offers (say, a third in 2022, or more). I think either the 49ers grossly overvalued JG's NFL value and have turned down trades based on their perceived value, or they have serious reservations re Lance. Like I have said a number of times, I can't imagine, nor has anyone posed, any realistic alternatives.

I still do not think they cut JG. They will get something for him. Or, they end up keeping him on the books for 25M (because he isn't taking a pay cut), which I understand in part (strong QB room), but @ 25M...I'll never agree with that aspect.

If the only 2 choices are keeping Jimmy at $27 million or cutting him, he's cut.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The better question would be. If they were offered a 3rd for Jimmy, would they have turned it down?

Why would you ever think that a possibility when they are publicly saying they had an offer of 2 2nds? We both agree it's an attempt to drive up the market, or at least agree it's very likely an attempt to do so.

It just doesn't make sense that they would do that looking for a 3.

If it was me and a 3rd was the best I could get for Jimmy G, I'm bringing him into camp just in case Trey doesn't look ready. Having a QB you can trust on a SB caliber team is more important than a 3rd round pick.

Before we get any further in this discussion. Do you have any direct quotes from anyone in the front office saying they were offered two 2nds for Jimmy? I can't seem to find any.

I'm excited to see Lance this year. Great last name. Belongs with Young and Montana. I hope:)
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Before we get any further in this discussion. Do you have any direct quotes from anyone in the front office saying they were offered two 2nds for Jimmy? I can't seem to find any.

I don't. It was a report. One of the first things I said in this interaction was 'We don't know the real story about whether there were any offers and what those offers might have been.' *I clearly don't believe they actually had that offer and refused it*

That said I should have said they were privately asking for 2 2nds instead of publicly, according to the report. Either way he's still here so a worthwhile offer to us, whatever it is, hasn't come.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Before we get any further in this discussion. Do you have any direct quotes from anyone in the front office saying they were offered two 2nds for Jimmy? I can't seem to find any.

I don't. It was a report. One of the first things I said in this interaction was 'We don't know the real story about whether there were any offers and what those offers might have been.'

That said I should have said they were privately asking for 2 2nds instead of publicly. Either way he's still here so a worthwhile offer to us, whatever it is, hasn't come.

No, It hasn't. We have no idea if there was any negotiating before the shoulder surgery news broke. That is what ended any and all talk about a trade though. There were rumors and 3rd party chatter from guys like Florio but nothing made public by anyone in charge. Now that the surgery has thrown a wrench into their original plans, it is in their best interest to not cut Jimmy before he clears a medical exam or else they owe him something like $7.5 million.

It would be dumb to not sign Deebo this year. You don't let a guy like that hit free agency where some desparate team can drive up the cost and make it impossible to keep him. We need that Jimmy money in order to make sure that doesn't happen. WE NEED ALL OF IT. A trade at this point is highly unlikely. Who do you value more, Jimmy or Deebo? A better question. Who do you think Kyle and Lynch value more?

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
So Trey is established at

1) Going through progressions

2) Moving safeties and linebackers with his eyes

3) Throwing with anticipation

4) Looking downfield to make plays

5) Composure under pressure

6) Making difficult throws

Yet he's not even named the starter because he has to earn it against a practice squad guy not an actual vet that he would ACTUALLY have to earn it from...

Lol this place. 10 quarters.

Yeah Trey does literally none of that consistently. He's jittery in the pocket. Panicks if his first read isnt there. He doesn't layer throws or throw guys open. The success he has had has largely come from Kyle scheming guys wide open.
The most successful part of his game, running, has already shown it won't transfer to the nfl. He has yet to beat a linebacker to the edge and he got stones by multiple safeties. I'm on record as saying this will be one of the biggest draft screw ups of all time.
I think the Niners would've won a super bowl this year had they taken Parsons or Slater and drafted anyone else but Aaron banks in round two. They were that close but chose to draft for the future instead of bolstering a roster that was ready now

Originally posted by YACBros85:
No, It hasn't. We have no idea if there was any negotiating before the shoulder surgery news broke. That is what ended any and all talk about a trade though. There were rumors and 3rd party chatter from guys like Florio but nothing made public by anyone in charge. Now that the surgery has thrown a wrench into their original plans, it is in their best interest to not cut Jimmy before he clears a medical exam or else they owe him something like $7.5 million.

It would be dumb to not sign Deebo this year. You don't let a guy like that hit free agency where some desparate team can drive up the cost and make it impossible to keep him. We need that Jimmy money in order to make sure that doesn't happen. WE NEED ALL OF IT. A trade at this point is highly unlikely. Who do you value more, Jimmy or Deebo? A better question. Who do you think Kyle and Lynch value more?

Keeping Jimmy and re-signing Deebo isn't the zero-sum game you're presenting here.

Regardless, even if what you presented was an accurate reflection of reality, I would rather have a functional QB next season than sign Deebo to a long term extension early. If Trey comes to camp and shows he's close to Jimmy, or has surpassed him, this is a non issue. It's a big question mark though and a huge blindspot for many of the superfans discussing this.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Yeah Trey does literally none of that consistently. He's jittery in the pocket. Panicks if his first read isnt there. He doesn't layer throws or throw guys open. The success he has had has largely come from Kyle scheming guys wide open.
The most successful part of his game, running, has already shown it won't transfer to the nfl. He has yet to beat a linebacker to the edge and he got stones by multiple safeties. I'm on record as saying this will be one of the biggest draft screw ups of all time.
I think the Niners would've won a super bowl this year had they taken Parsons or Slater and drafted anyone else but Aaron banks in round two. They were that close but chose to draft for the future instead of bolstering a roster that was ready now

I drop in here maybe once or twice a year. All I can really bear, lol.

Keep fighting the good fight.