Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Trey Lance looked like 2005 Alex Smith with legs last year, he did improve in the 2nd half against the Texans after an abysmal start….to the Texans. Not sold at all on him, hope to see improvements

No he didn't. Alex Smith was a project QB who lacked basic fundamentals such as :

1) Going through progressions

2) Moving safeties and linebackers with his eyes

3) Throwing with anticipation

4) Looking downfield to make plays

5) Composure under pressure

6) Making difficult throws

Those are all established aspects of Trey's game. He looked off the safety throwing a dart to Travis Benjamin for a TD in preseason against SD, and moved the linebacker with his eyes when he threw a laser between three defenders to Aiyuk on a slant route against the Texans.

Trey still made rookie mistakes, but he clearly understands and has worked on the nuances of Quarterbacking.

Alex Smith in a great TED Talk about overcoming his gruesome leg injury, admitted to feeling like a fraud. He seems like a really decent guy, a winner in life, but not on the football field.

Who gives a f**k about preseason?! Nate Davis looked like John Elway in preseason…but since you brought it up, Trey looked like crap for most of that game too. I want him to succeed, he's going to be the starter week1. but as of now I'm not a believer, and I never was to start with.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
If Trey becomes an elite QB the 9ers SB window is 10+ years.

I wouldn't disagree.

If he doesn't though, not only are you in trouble down the road, but you handicapped your ability to improve the current Super Bowl ready team.

That's exactly what year 1 was. We sacrificed a ton of capital on a down-the-road gamble instead of using that capital to improve the great team we already had. I'll reiterate I don't hold that against Trey Lance as an individual. It'd be ludicrous to have high expectations of him early given his lack of experience, and what he's put on limited film in college and the NFL.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
How can a 49ers fan seriously argue that being better right now, in the middle of a Super Bowl window, doesn't matter?

How much better at the QB position did we need to win in either 19, or 21. Doesn't seem like a whole lot.

What are we doing here? Trying to get #6 or trying to win a 'who has the better qb' argument with other teams' fans.

If Trey becomes an elite QB the 9ers SB window is 10+ years.

For the next 4 years atleast, yes. Even if he becomes elite, we still don't know what kind of business man Trey is. Is he an Aaron Rodgers type business man or is he a Tom Brady type business man? Where one wants money while the other wants super bowls.

Brady married a woman worth a half bill. It is easier to be altruistic when that happens.

Well. I guess the secret to winning the most super bowls is to marry a wealthy woman. Who knew?

The truth is, if you cannot live comfortably off a middle of the road NFL QB contract, you live well beyond your means. The question still remains. Do you covet money or rings more? Typically, you cannot have both.

It's 2022 right? Why are we still discussing mac like we just pulled the trade up a couple of days ago?

Originally posted by gold49digger:
It's 2022 right? Why are we still discussing mac like we just pulled the trade up a couple of days ago?

49ers fans still talk about Rodgers and Brady in the draft-miss context.

You're going to hear it until Trey Lance convinces those fans otherwise... or until Mac Jones gets arrested for Jan 6 or something.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Trey Lance looked like 2005 Alex Smith with legs last year, he did improve in the 2nd half against the Texans after an abysmal start….to the Texans. Not sold at all on him, hope to see improvements

No he didn't. Alex Smith was a project QB who lacked basic fundamentals such as :

1) Going through progressions

2) Moving safeties and linebackers with his eyes

3) Throwing with anticipation

4) Looking downfield to make plays

5) Composure under pressure

6) Making difficult throws

Those are all established aspects of Trey's game. He looked off the safety throwing a dart to Travis Benjamin for a TD in preseason against SD, and moved the linebacker with his eyes when he threw a laser between three defenders to Aiyuk on a slant route against the Texans.

Trey still made rookie mistakes, but he clearly understands and has worked on the nuances of Quarterbacking.

Alex Smith in a great TED Talk about overcoming his gruesome leg injury, admitted to feeling like a fraud. He seems like a really decent guy, a winner in life, but not on the football field.

Who gives a f**k about preseason?! Nate Davis looked like John Elway in preseason…but since you brought it up, Trey looked like crap for most of that game too. I want him to succeed, he's going to be the starter week1. but as of now I'm not a believer, and I never was to start with.

Preseason counts, it's how teams determine who makes the roster and allows vets to knock off the rust.

And yeah, Nate Davis did look good but sucks for him that he had a coach who didn't want to work with his learning disability.

Not a problem with Lance. And the play I was referring to even had Brian Baldinger gushing with praise.

Trey is inexperienced but he's not raw. All signs point to him be really good with more reps.

https://youtu.be/xoWNtrfISMc

So Trey is established at

1) Going through progressions

2) Moving safeties and linebackers with his eyes

3) Throwing with anticipation

4) Looking downfield to make plays

5) Composure under pressure

6) Making difficult throws

Yet he's not even named the starter because he has to earn it against a practice squad guy not an actual vet that he would ACTUALLY have to earn it from...

Lol this place. 10 quarters.

It's good that he's working with Tom House. I hope he can fix his mechanics. I would love to see him spend time working out with Justin Herbert. He could really improve his game by leaps and bounds with that.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
So Trey is established at

1) Going through progressions

2) Moving safeties and linebackers with his eyes

3) Throwing with anticipation

4) Looking downfield to make plays

5) Composure under pressure

6) Making difficult throws

Yet he's not even named the starter because he has to earn it against a practice squad guy not an actual vet that he would ACTUALLY have to earn it from...

Lol this place. 10 quarters.

What advantage do they gain by naming Trey the starter at this point in the year? Kyle stated that they were confident in Trey and that is why they were actively shopping Jimmy up until the surgery news broke.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
What advantage do they gain by naming Trey the starter at this point in the year? Kyle stated that they were confident in Trey and that is why they were actively shopping Jimmy up until the surgery news broke.

We don't know the real story about whether there were any offers and what those offers might have been.

Someone comes calling for Jimmy with 2 2nd round picks as Lynch claimed... you can make that deal and add a veteran backup in FA for insurance.

Watching Matt Ryan go for a 3rd leaves one to think you're looking at a 4 or worse potentially for Jimmy.

At that point you might as well hang onto him and make sure you have a functional QB at camp going into a season in which you could compete for a SB. Trey shows the necessary improvement, and you trade Jimmy for peanuts or cut him. If Trey hasn't made enough progress...

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
So Trey is established at

1) Going through progressions

2) Moving safeties and linebackers with his eyes

3) Throwing with anticipation

4) Looking downfield to make plays

5) Composure under pressure

6) Making difficult throws

Yet he's not even named the starter because he has to earn it against a practice squad guy not an actual vet that he would ACTUALLY have to earn it from...

Lol this place. 10 quarters.

What advantage do they gain by naming Trey the starter at this point in the year? Kyle stated that they were confident in Trey and that is why they were actively shopping Jimmy up until the surgery news broke.

I just think teams are smarter than a fanbase and if we can figure it out as far as the mind games, so can any GM. I dont understand why they would keep hush about whos the starter all while letting out that they got no offer for the other guy. It makes no sense. Telling a team you got zero offers doesn't help the cause... at all. "Hey you didn't get an offer? I'll give a 2nd". lol no...

Have a little confidence in the guy i say. I don't think there is that confidence right now and I mean that as of right now as a 21/22 year old not a future QB. If Trey can really "make difficult throws" has "composure under pressure" in ten quarters then why the need to wait? People keep saying "draft picks" but again they've already let the cat out of the bag when they admit they didn't get an offer. I keep hearing "he has to earn it" and I ask, from who exactly? If there is a competition between Trey and Career Practice Squad then we have issues. I don't think that's the case, but that's what people seem to insinuate here.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
So Trey is established at

1) Going through progressions

2) Moving safeties and linebackers with his eyes

3) Throwing with anticipation

4) Looking downfield to make plays

5) Composure under pressure

6) Making difficult throws

Yet he's not even named the starter because he has to earn it against a practice squad guy not an actual vet that he would ACTUALLY have to earn it from...

Lol this place. 10 quarters.

Yeah, it's consistent with what NFL scouts have noted about him.

Trey Lance

Prospect Grade

6.47

Will Become Good Starter Within Two Years

Strengths

Film junkie with high football IQ and an NFL frame.
Makes calls to set his own protections.
Bouncy feet for accelerated pocket setups.
Play-fake aficionado from under center, causing defenders to consistently bite
.Passing scheme encourages full-field reads.Processes progressions very quickly and can work to his fourth read when protected.
Able to mentally recalibrate his attack when play comes off schedule.
Taking care of the football is a priority for him.Rarely takes bait against zone defenders and safeties looking to pounce.
Compact, twitchy release partially mitigates his windup.
Makes attempt to throw targets away from coverage.
Adequate anticipation on timing routes.
Makes quality touch throws into sideline buckets and over linebackers.
Knows his way around pocket and can make sudden escapes.
Above-average speed, athleticism and power when he's on the move as a runner.
Able to move the chains in a variety of ways.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-lance/32004c41-4e01-6787-f7d5-ee3cea053121

And in regards to him playing only 10 quarters, well that's 2 more played than the 8 that made Jimmy a hot prospect .

Jimmy Year 3:

43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.

2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins

*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.

Lance Year 1:

41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating

2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
What advantage do they gain by naming Trey the starter at this point in the year? Kyle stated that they were confident in Trey and that is why they were actively shopping Jimmy up until the surgery news broke.

We don't know the real story about whether there were any offers and what those offers might have been.

Someone comes calling for Jimmy with 2 2nd round picks as Lynch claimed... you can make that deal and add a veteran backup in FA for insurance.

Watching Matt Ryan go for a 3rd leaves one to think you're looking at a 4 or worse potentially for Jimmy.

At that point you might as well hang onto him and make sure you have a functional QB at camp going into a season in which you could compete for a SB. Trey shows the necessary improvement, and you trade Jimmy for peanuts or cut him. If Trey hasn't made enough progress...

Whether or not they received offers does not negate the fact that they were actively shopping him. They wouldn't have been shopping him if they didn't believe Trey was ready to take over. They may or may not have been offered two 2nds for him. What we do know is that all that talk came to an end when Jimmy out of nowhere decided he needed shoulder surgery. No team is going to give up any meaningful draft capital for a guy with durability issues who won't be able to throw until late July and will take up $25.5 million in cap space.

Lynch said they weren't going to cut him. Kyle seemed on the fence about it as he said they didn't have to make that decidion any time soon. I wouldn't cut him either at this point. They would be on the hook for $7.5 million. They need all of that money to resign Deebo and their draft picks. So the best option is to wait until Jimmy passes his medical exam so that they will owe him nothing if they do decide to cut him.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
So Trey is established at

1) Going through progressions

2) Moving safeties and linebackers with his eyes

3) Throwing with anticipation

4) Looking downfield to make plays

5) Composure under pressure

6) Making difficult throws

Yet he's not even named the starter because he has to earn it against a practice squad guy not an actual vet that he would ACTUALLY have to earn it from...

Lol this place. 10 quarters.

Yeah, it's consistent with what NFL scouts have noted about him.

Trey Lance

Prospect Grade

6.47

Will Become Good Starter Within Two Years

Strengths

Film junkie with high football IQ and an NFL frame.
Makes calls to set his own protections.
Bouncy feet for accelerated pocket setups.
Play-fake aficionado from under center, causing defenders to consistently bite
.Passing scheme encourages full-field reads.Processes progressions very quickly and can work to his fourth read when protected.
Able to mentally recalibrate his attack when play comes off schedule.
Taking care of the football is a priority for him.Rarely takes bait against zone defenders and safeties looking to pounce.
Compact, twitchy release partially mitigates his windup.
Makes attempt to throw targets away from coverage.
Adequate anticipation on timing routes.
Makes quality touch throws into sideline buckets and over linebackers.
Knows his way around pocket and can make sudden escapes.
Above-average speed, athleticism and power when he's on the move as a runner.
Able to move the chains in a variety of ways.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-lance/32004c41-4e01-6787-f7d5-ee3cea053121

And in regards to him playing only 10 quarters, well that's 2 more played than the 8 that made Jimmy a hot prospect .

Jimmy Year 3:

43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.

2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins

*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.

Lance Year 1:

41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating

2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.

Damn... Super Bowl already. I mean if he's what you say were going to the Super Bowl. He's basically a pro bowler already because he did things against literal scrubs with the talent of Alabama as far as the FCS goes.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Whether or not they received offers does not negate the fact that they were actively shopping him. They wouldn't have been shopping him if they didn't believe Trey was ready to take over. They may or may not have been offered two 2nds for him. What we do know is that all that talk came to an end when Jimmy out of nowhere decided he needed shoulder surgery. No team is going to give up any meaningful draft capital for a guy with durability issues who won't be able to throw until late July and will take up $25.5 million in cap space.

Lynch said they weren't going to cut him. Kyle seemed on the fence about it as he said they didn't have to make that decidion any time soon. I wouldn't cut him either at this point. They would be on the hook for $7.5 million. They need all of that money to resign Deebo and their draft picks. So the best option is to wait until Jimmy passes his medical exam so that they will owe him nothing if they do decide to cut him.

The question is what were they legitimately willing to take for him. It's easy to say 'we're shopping player x' and then ask for something well beyond the market value for player x.

It seems absolutely absurd to say you have an offer of 2 2's for Jimmy, not take it, and then watch Matt Ryan go for a 3rd. So, yea... maybe they were willing to trade some Trey Lance insurance for an offer they were never going to get. Do you understand what I'm pitching here?

Put dreams of Trey Lance being Patrick Mahomes-like as a starter in his first season aside for a minute. What would you rather have going into next season? A guarantee of least the quality of Jimmy G at starting QB, or a 4th round pick?