Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:
I couldn't agree more with both of Kyle's statements here.

""I do think that's something Jimmy unfairly gets criticized for because Jimmy can throw the ball as far as anyone I've had," Shanahan said. "Some people act like Jimmy have a weak arm -- that's just completely inaccurate. But we haven't hit a lot of deep balls -- I understand that. That goes with all of us.

"But Trey, he has had a knack for it since we started watching him in college. He's got a good feel when to do it it, when not to do it. He's got some good touch on it and he definitely has arm strength. When you can get some of those bigger passes any week, it opens up everything and makes the more consistent easier ones pretty good."

The only thing that fans have to go on is what they see in games. What we've seen for 4 years are are short passes over he middle over and over. The few long pass attempts often hang in the air or are off the mark. Having arm strength and having accurate arm strength are 2 different things. It often looks like Jimmy has to put too much air under the ball to get it more than 30 yards downfield. This gives defenders a chance to recover or causes the receiver to slow down. He also needs to set his feet and step into the throw rather than being able to throw deep on the move.

All those things may not be true but we can only go off what we see in games.

Lance is probably watching today as ND State in the FCS Championship now

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I couldn't agree more with both of Kyle's statements here.

""I do think that's something Jimmy unfairly gets criticized for because Jimmy can throw the ball as far as anyone I've had," Shanahan said. "Some people act like Jimmy have a weak arm -- that's just completely inaccurate. But we haven't hit a lot of deep balls -- I understand that. That goes with all of us.

"But Trey, he has had a knack for it since we started watching him in college. He's got a good feel when to do it it, when not to do it. He's got some good touch on it and he definitely has arm strength. When you can get some of those bigger passes any week, it opens up everything and makes the more consistent easier ones pretty good."

The only thing that fans have to go on is what they see in games. What we've seen for 4 years are are short passes over he middle over and over. The few long pass attempts often hang in the air or are off the mark. Having arm strength and having accurate arm strength are 2 different things. It often looks like Jimmy has to put too much air under the ball to get it more than 30 yards downfield. This gives defenders a chance to recover or causes the receiver to slow down. He also needs to set his feet and step into the throw rather than being able to throw deep on the move.

All those things may not be true but we can only go off what we see in games.

When I think arm strength I don't really think of deep arcing bombs. To me, those arcing bombs are more of a touch throw than a power throw. It's the throws that need to be put "on a rope" where I think arm strength is important. Lance showed that on the Out route he threw to Jennings where Jennings had to reach down to catch. Lance showing the willingness to attempt this throw is what I loved to see. 12-15 yard Out routes, thrown from the far hash, is a big boy throw imo.

Originally posted by thl408:
When I think arm strength I don't really think of deep arcing bombs. To me, those arcing bombs are more of a touch throw than a power throw. It's the throws that need to be put "on a rope" where I think arm strength is important. Lance showed that on the Out route he threw to Jennings where Jennings had to reach down to catch. Lance showing the willingness to attempt this throw is what I loved to see. 12-15 yard Out routes, thrown from the far hash, is a big boy throw imo.

You said it better than I did. We can only judge what we see. Saying Jimmy has the arm strength doesn't mean much if he doesn't use it.

Run this s**t with Lance!

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by thl408:
When I think arm strength I don't really think of deep arcing bombs. To me, those arcing bombs are more of a touch throw than a power throw. It's the throws that need to be put "on a rope" where I think arm strength is important. Lance showed that on the Out route he threw to Jennings where Jennings had to reach down to catch. Lance showing the willingness to attempt this throw is what I loved to see. 12-15 yard Out routes, thrown from the far hash, is a big boy throw imo.

You said it better than I did. We can only judge what we see. Saying Jimmy has the arm strength doesn't mean much if he doesn't use it.

Agree, but there is a difference of *not needing to use it* vs *cannot use it.* For the most part, I don't think Jimmy needs to throw a 15 yard out route, when he can hit players in the middle or the flair out to the RB. For the most part the offense is designed so that the defense crowds the middle and if they do -- the zone-run complements Jimmy in that sense.

With Trey, those out routes open up the middle more, and he'll have better chances to throw in the middle. But Trey isn't going to be throwing 15 yard outs every other play. He still has to hit Kittle over the middle on those boots and he still has to hit Mitchell on those red zone goal line pass plays. It's like Walter Peyton vs Roger Craig, one definitely is just more talented than the other, but who has more super bowls?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I couldn't agree more with both of Kyle's statements here.

""I do think that's something Jimmy unfairly gets criticized for because Jimmy can throw the ball as far as anyone I've had," Shanahan said. "Some people act like Jimmy have a weak arm -- that's just completely inaccurate. But we haven't hit a lot of deep balls -- I understand that. That goes with all of us.

"But Trey, he has had a knack for it since we started watching him in college. He's got a good feel when to do it it, when not to do it. He's got some good touch on it and he definitely has arm strength. When you can get some of those bigger passes any week, it opens up everything and makes the more consistent easier ones pretty good."

The only thing that fans have to go on is what they see in games. What we've seen for 4 years are are short passes over he middle over and over. The few long pass attempts often hang in the air or are off the mark. Having arm strength and having accurate arm strength are 2 different things. It often looks like Jimmy has to put too much air under the ball to get it more than 30 yards downfield. This gives defenders a chance to recover or causes the receiver to slow down. He also needs to set his feet and step into the throw rather than being able to throw deep on the move.

All those things may not be true but we can only go off what we see in games.

When I think arm strength I don't really think of deep arcing bombs. To me, those arcing bombs are more of a touch throw than a power throw. It's the throws that need to be put "on a rope" where I think arm strength is important. Lance showed that on the Out route he threw to Jennings where Jennings had to reach down to catch. Lance showing the willingness to attempt this throw is what I loved to see. 12-15 yard Out routes, thrown from the far hash, is a big boy throw imo.

A big boy throw with anticipation. That connection will be improved (whether the throw was low or Jennings cut higher in the route than anticipated), but that was my favorite throw of the day and was right on time on a pressure down.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by thl408:
When I think arm strength I don't really think of deep arcing bombs. To me, those arcing bombs are more of a touch throw than a power throw. It's the throws that need to be put "on a rope" where I think arm strength is important. Lance showed that on the Out route he threw to Jennings where Jennings had to reach down to catch. Lance showing the willingness to attempt this throw is what I loved to see. 12-15 yard Out routes, thrown from the far hash, is a big boy throw imo.

You said it better than I did. We can only judge what we see. Saying Jimmy has the arm strength doesn't mean much if he doesn't use it.

Agree, but there is a difference of *not needing to use it* vs *cannot use it.* For the most part, I don't think Jimmy needs to throw a 15 yard out route, when he can hit players in the middle or the flair out to the RB. For the most part the offense is designed so that the defense crowds the middle and if they do -- the zone-run complements Jimmy in that sense.

With Trey, those out routes open up the middle more, and he'll have better chances to throw in the middle. But Trey isn't going to be throwing 15 yard outs every other play. He still has to hit Kittle over the middle on those boots and he still has to hit Mitchell on those red zone goal line pass plays. It's like Walter Peyton vs Roger Craig, one definitely is just more talented than the other, but who has more super bowls?

Not sure Walter Peyton vs Roger Craig is the best example unless you're trying to describe talent vs team fit.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Lance is probably watching today as ND State in the FCS Championship now

Hunter Luepke FB is running the ball very well, looks like Juice. Christian Watkins with a few big catches

https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=401391352

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by thl408:
When I think arm strength I don't really think of deep arcing bombs. To me, those arcing bombs are more of a touch throw than a power throw. It's the throws that need to be put "on a rope" where I think arm strength is important. Lance showed that on the Out route he threw to Jennings where Jennings had to reach down to catch. Lance showing the willingness to attempt this throw is what I loved to see. 12-15 yard Out routes, thrown from the far hash, is a big boy throw imo.

You said it better than I did. We can only judge what we see. Saying Jimmy has the arm strength doesn't mean much if he doesn't use it.

Agree, but there is a difference of *not needing to use it* vs *cannot use it.* For the most part, I don't think Jimmy needs to throw a 15 yard out route, when he can hit players in the middle or the flair out to the RB. For the most part the offense is designed so that the defense crowds the middle and if they do -- the zone-run complements Jimmy in that sense.

With Trey, those out routes open up the middle more, and he'll have better chances to throw in the middle. But Trey isn't going to be throwing 15 yard outs every other play. He still has to hit Kittle over the middle on those boots and he still has to hit Mitchell on those red zone goal line pass plays. It's like Walter Peyton vs Roger Craig, one definitely is just more talented than the other, but who has more super bowls?

Not sure Walter Peyton vs Roger Craig is the best example unless you're trying to describe talent vs team fit.

Ya who knows lol. Especially the SB statement

NDSU with another championship. Freshman qb from Iowa with the reigns

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by thl408:
When I think arm strength I don't really think of deep arcing bombs. To me, those arcing bombs are more of a touch throw than a power throw. It's the throws that need to be put "on a rope" where I think arm strength is important. Lance showed that on the Out route he threw to Jennings where Jennings had to reach down to catch. Lance showing the willingness to attempt this throw is what I loved to see. 12-15 yard Out routes, thrown from the far hash, is a big boy throw imo.

You said it better than I did. We can only judge what we see. Saying Jimmy has the arm strength doesn't mean much if he doesn't use it.

Agree, but there is a difference of *not needing to use it* vs *cannot use it.* For the most part, I don't think Jimmy needs to throw a 15 yard out route, when he can hit players in the middle or the flair out to the RB. For the most part the offense is designed so that the defense crowds the middle and if they do -- the zone-run complements Jimmy in that sense.

With Trey, those out routes open up the middle more, and he'll have better chances to throw in the middle. But Trey isn't going to be throwing 15 yard outs every other play. He still has to hit Kittle over the middle on those boots and he still has to hit Mitchell on those red zone goal line pass plays. It's like Walter Peyton vs Roger Craig, one definitely is just more talented than the other, but who has more super bowls?

Not sure Walter Peyton vs Roger Craig is the best example unless you're trying to describe talent vs team fit.

Ya who knows lol. Especially the SB statement

Like I said, Trey doesn't need to throw 15 yard outs every other play. The Kyle Shanahan scheme doesn't need him to do that. Now Jimmy *can* throw those deep outs, he's done them many times under the Kyle scheme, he just doesn't need to do it *that much* vs Trey who - as Kyle shanahan has said - has a knack for the deep ball. Obviously because of his arm among other attributes he has. Same with Walter Peyton, he was all world as a running back, but scheamwise - the whole offense under Ditka wasn't taking advantage of all of Walters Skills like how Marshall Faulk was used under the Vermeil scheme. Roger was never a consistent one thousand yard rusher, but he did his damage in the air, as well as being pretty good on the ground. Craig was never as talented a rusher as Walter, but he has more super bowl rings than Walter.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
NDSU with another championship. Freshman qb from Iowa with the reigns

They are in essence the Bama of the FCS. That QB though was not the reason they won, he ended 9/13 126 yards and a TD. They ran for 380 yards as a team and basically controlled the clock all game.

I am sure you simply forgot to add that context to your post though.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
NDSU with another championship. Freshman qb from Iowa with the reigns

They are in essence the Bama of the FCS. That QB though was not the reason they won, he ended 9/13 126 yards and a TD. They ran for 380 yards as a team and basically controlled the clock all game.

I am sure you simply forgot to add that context to your post though.

Well he threw the ball better than Trey did in his championship game: 6/10 for 72 yards. Like all close games he played in, he ran instead of threw. Winner but we've already seen that running not translate

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
NDSU with another championship. Freshman qb from Iowa with the reigns

They are in essence the Bama of the FCS. That QB though was not the reason they won, he ended 9/13 126 yards and a TD. They ran for 380 yards as a team and basically controlled the clock all game.

I am sure you simply forgot to add that context to your post though.

Well he threw the ball better than Trey did in his championship game: 6/10 for 72 yards. Like all close games he played in, he ran instead of threw. Winner but we've already seen that running not translate

James Madison was a much tougher opponent in 2019 as compared to the Montana State team they beat today.

Context matters.