Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The offensive output yesterday only scored more points than ONE of Jimmy G's games. ONE out of 36 career starts and that was the mud-bowl monsoon game in Washington D.C. in 2019.

I'm not saying Lance is garbage, but that's Jimmy G throughout his entire career, an offense he runs scores more points than that in 35 out of 36 games. You cannot tell me that Lance gives us a better chance to win. Let's quit acting like jimmy G is just some bottom of the barrel starting option and we're just making a trade-off with Lance. This offense will score fewer points with Lance. I'm not blaming him for that. He's as young as Alex Smith was his rookie year and we all saw how rough that was. You're not gonna convince me that starting Lance from here on it is a decision based upon what gives us the best chance to win. If Kyle is making a decision based off anything else, yes, he is throwing in the towel on this season.

The end. You're just kidding yourself if you think Trey will put up more points. He's a rook he's going to leave points on the board like he did vs Arz left and right.

I'm fine going to him when the season is over but right now we're still in the mix. The team might not be a Super Bowl team with Jimmy but if we make the playoffs that's a big deal in establishing momentum.

How does an early playoff exit with a QB that won't be here next year establish momentum?

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The offensive output yesterday only scored more points than ONE of Jimmy G's games. ONE out of 36 career starts and that was the mud-bowl monsoon game in Washington D.C. in 2019.

I'm not saying Lance is garbage, but that's Jimmy G throughout his entire career, an offense he runs scores more points than that in 35 out of 36 games. You cannot tell me that Lance gives us a better chance to win. Let's quit acting like jimmy G is just some bottom of the barrel starting option and we're just making a trade-off with Lance. This offense will score fewer points with Lance. I'm not blaming him for that. He's as young as Alex Smith was his rookie year and we all saw how rough that was. You're not gonna convince me that starting Lance from here on it is a decision based upon what gives us the best chance to win. If Kyle is making a decision based off anything else, yes, he is throwing in the towel on this season.

The end. You're just kidding yourself if you think Trey will put up more points. He's a rook he's going to leave points on the board like he did vs Arz left and right.

I'm fine going to him when the season is over but right now we're still in the mix. The team might not be a Super Bowl team with Jimmy but if we make the playoffs that's a big deal in establishing momentum.

As of right now Jimmy G gives us the much better chance to win. Lance is just so confused and inaccurate. He's just not ready.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
If Kyle goes full on "let's develop Trey" in week 5, that's a slap in the face to vet leaders like Trent Williams, Warner, Kittle. Besides game losses, the worst thing for a head coach is losing the locker room's vets. It doesn't matter how much Kyle wants to develop Trey, he cannot lose the vets in the locker room in week 6 of the season.

You mean the guys that SF just made the highest paid players at their position? I think they're gonna be just fine. Did those guys stop playing when Mullens/CJ were the starters?

maybe they realize that Jimmy vs Lance isn't this crazy thing like fans/media are making it out to be…the way Lance played yesterday showed those vets he's willing to do whatever to win.

Let's stop acting like Jimmy G is some pro-bowl QB and we're just tossing in the towel because he's not playing…

The offensive output yesterday only scored more points than ONE of Jimmy G's games. ONE out of 36 career starts and that was the mud-bowl monsoon game in Washington D.C. in 2019.

I'm not saying Lance is garbage, but that's Jimmy G throughout his entire career, an offense he runs scores more points than that in 35 out of 36 games. You cannot tell me that Lance gives us a better chance to win. Let's quit acting like jimmy G is just some bottom of the barrel starting option and we're just making a trade-off with Lance. This offense will score fewer points with Lance. I'm not blaming him for that. He's as young as Alex Smith was his rookie year and we all saw how rough that was. You're not gonna convince me that starting Lance from here on it is a decision based upon what gives us the best chance to win. If Kyle is making a decision based off anything else, yes, he is throwing in the towel on this season.

Did we not just play the best team in the NFC in the Cardinals?

Jimmy struggled to score points in multiple first half's this season against worse defenses with less offensive penalties.

I thought this was Kyle's worst called offensive game plan especially some of those 4th down calls. A fullback sneak with 1.5-2 yards to go.

My whole stance from the beginning is that no one knows if Lance can outperform Jimmy at any point this season. Not that we know Lance can play better.

And yet you and others are the ones claiming it's impossible for Lance to be better than Jimmy this season.

I don't think we having a more difficult game on our schedule going forward.

One game is not enough to change my stance that we still don't know if Lance gives us the best chance to win.

I'm pretty sure the Bucs, Packers, and Rams are pretty good teams. Are we also saying that Jimmy G, in 36 career games, hasn't been in worse situations or played better defenses or had as much stacked against him? I'm pretty sure he has.
Again, I'm not laying it all at Lance's feet. The point is, people are sitting here acting as if the offensive output was the same. No. It wasn't. We haven't seen that low of offensive output in all but ONE of Jimmy's games. If it was like 10 of his 36, ok, I see your point. We're talking ONE game. A half? So, let me get this straight. Russel Wilson scores no points in their first 5 drives, scores before the half then scores 28 in a game vs us and fans are all, "That's why you can't keep giving Wilson chances". Jimmy has nearly the exact same type of game vs the pack - our fans, "See, our offense is so limited with Jimmy." It's freaking insane how skewed our outlook is on him.

Jimmy scored 24 points vs the cards last year with Bourne, Pettis and Taylor as his WR's and people then and to this day bring up that game as how bad Jimmy is.

My point isn't Jimmy is amazing or whatever, it's acting like, "hmmmm, not sure who would really give us a better chance to win and really, Lance probably gives us a better one". That's blind hope. Lance could be great, he could rise like an Eagle the rest of the season, he could have an Alex Smith type rookie season, he could be Paxton Lynch 2.0. The point is, we don't know. We do know that in 35 or Jimmy's 36 games we score more points than we did yesterday and it's hard for me to believe that with the way the defense played, we don't win if Jimmy is in there. He's never scored less than 24 points on the Cardinals.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
If Kyle goes full on "let's develop Trey" in week 5, that's a slap in the face to vet leaders like Trent Williams, Warner, Kittle. Besides game losses, the worst thing for a head coach is losing the locker room's vets. It doesn't matter how much Kyle wants to develop Trey, he cannot lose the vets in the locker room in week 6 of the season.

You mean the guys that SF just made the highest paid players at their position? I think they're gonna be just fine. Did those guys stop playing when Mullens/CJ were the starters?

maybe they realize that Jimmy vs Lance isn't this crazy thing like fans/media are making it out to be…the way Lance played yesterday showed those vets he's willing to do whatever to win.

Let's stop acting like Jimmy G is some pro-bowl QB and we're just tossing in the towel because he's not playing…

The offensive output yesterday only scored more points than ONE of Jimmy G's games. ONE out of 36 career starts and that was the mud-bowl monsoon game in Washington D.C. in 2019.

I'm not saying Lance is garbage, but that's Jimmy G throughout his entire career, an offense he runs scores more points than that in 35 out of 36 games. You cannot tell me that Lance gives us a better chance to win. Let's quit acting like jimmy G is just some bottom of the barrel starting option and we're just making a trade-off with Lance. This offense will score fewer points with Lance. I'm not blaming him for that. He's as young as Alex Smith was his rookie year and we all saw how rough that was. You're not gonna convince me that starting Lance from here on it is a decision based upon what gives us the best chance to win. If Kyle is making a decision based off anything else, yes, he is throwing in the towel on this season.

Ah yes, this is the Jonny I want... not the politician one.

How many times did we get to the redzone yesterday with Trey? Sure we missed out on TDs... but we could have also had FGs, which would have added to his point total...but you know that.

And next time with a more experience Trey...and more chemistry with the offense...maybe we get TDs.

The point is, we got to the redzone pretty often with the rookie.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Trey made the decision to not kick field goals and go for it on 4th down like he was playing Madden? This is nonsense.

The problem is he didn't convert the 4th because he chose to run with the ball when he could of tossed it to the back. It's typically the QB who has to make the play madden or real football.

Need to stop talking about what Jimmy did years ago. Talk about how he's been this season.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
As of right now Jimmy G gives us the much better chance to win. Lance is just so confused and inaccurate. He's just not ready.

JG has struggled all season with accuracy Issues too though, and the fact It normally takes him an entire half of football to finally wake up and get going Isn't good either. I'm not sure If Lance gives us more of a chance of reaching the playoffs than JG, but I'm willing to take the risk, especially If It helps with Trey's development too.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Need to stop talking about what Jimmy did years ago. Talk about how he's been this season.

Agreed. This Isn't 2019, JG doesn't have that Defense or run game to help him out.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Need to stop talking about what Jimmy did years ago. Talk about how he's been this season.

More than 10 points.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

I guess I should never have trusted him.

If he had told you guys the truth, he would have gotten death threats. Easier to just tell you what you want to hear. It's just bad that our FO was also dumb enough to think this team could contend for a Super Bowl this year with Jimmy as the QB.

Nothing he said was false. It was always in the context of 49ers rookie QBs since he's been covering the 49ers.

Somebody tell me how other teams draft Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and we get this?

Those guys were ready to go day 1. Stars by year 2.

Sorry Lance is nowhere near that category. He can't even throw a tight spiral or an accurate ball. He's very confused on his reads and makes bad decisions. That can be from being young. Those other guys were much more ready day 1. I just don't see it in the passing game with Lance. He's very inaccurate. The ones I mentioned showed it year 1. At least in flashes.

I just don't see a super star passer in Lance. He's inaccurate even when he makes the right reads. I'm worried guys. I think we gave up too much.

Jimmy G 26-10 as a starter. Lance 0-1.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Treys first start was better than ALL the rookie qbs first start by a decent amount. With little to no pass protection and no mostert or Kittle that is very very impressive. Time to give credit where credit is due.

This is true. Trey also looked better and more cool than Young, Garcia, and Smiths first starts. Kaps was probably better because we had a great gameplan and our D was incredible.

The expectations are out of check for Lance and he did well despite having a horrible right side of the O line and some odd playcalling by Shanahan.

Kap wasn't a rookie when he made his first start.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Somebody tell me how other teams draft Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and we get this?

Those guys were ready to go day 1. Stars by year 2.

Sorry Lance is nowhere near that category. He can't even throw a tight spiral or an accurate ball. He's very confused on his reads and makes bad decisions. That can be from being young. Those other guys were much more ready day 1. I just don't see it in the passing game with Lance. He's very inaccurate. The ones I mentioned showed it year 1. At least in flashes.

I just don't see a super star passer in Lance. He's inaccurate even when he makes the right reads. I'm worried guys. I think we gave up too much.

Wut?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:
If the goal is to develop Lance, yesterday was a wasted day. You are correct. Shanahan's offense went out the window. What we saw yesterday is not sustainable nor did it help Lance learn how to play. Instead of just run, run, run, there should have been more of the regular NFL offense. Give the kid some real meat to chew on. That failure is on Shanahan.

It's only wasted if he can't take anything away from the game to learn from and I feel there were definitely things to take from the game. The hope is that the more a rookie plays, the slower the game gets. Besides the INT that was a result of inaccuracy, not a bad read, he took care of the ball and did not have any near INT throws from what I remember. There were plays where he had time and didn't pull the trigger downfield, and I'd like see why he didn't. Give him a chance to learn from the mistakes before we claim that it was a wasted effort.

If this is the kind of offense it's going to be going forward, I agree. If not, then there isn't but a handful of plays to learn from given the volume of QB runs and only 15 completions. But to your larger point, there is always something to learn from.

Very hard to judge what the offense is going to look like considering he only had a week to prepare. I'd wager if he starts after the bye week, it'll look much more like the normal Kyle offense.

Those QB runs are part of the "Lance offense". Obviously it doesn't develop his dropback passing game on those reps, but those QB runs are called with the idea of moving the chains to keep the offense on, so that dropback passing plays can be called.

I thought we saw how Kyle envisions using Lance quite a bit yesterday. It's a running game that includes the QB, while using playaction to set up plays downfield. The substitution of Jennings out, and TBenjamin in, told me how Kyle wanted the passing game to look - more speed to threaten downfield. There were times Lance looked downfield but saw nothing he liked. I don't know if no one was open enough and Lance didn't like what he saw, or he is simply adjusting to what it means to be "open" in the NFL.

Those runs are part of the temporary 'Lance Offense' because they can't really run a traditional under center offense right now.