Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by Heroism:
This is on point. At this point in his career, Trey isn't the type of QB that dinks and dunks down the field to move the chains and keep sustained drives going. He's more playmaker than QB right now, and Kyle is going to have to take the good with the bad. In other words, Trey will generate a lot more explosive plays than Jimmy, but he'll also miss the layups to sustain drives and move the chains.

But the way the league has trended, explosive plays >>>>>>>> sustained drives. Create turnovers+score points is the eminent winning recipe in contemporary football.

this is what the league wants. Less holding penalties. More defensive pass interference. More explosive plays down the field.

I saw McGlinchey get away with a hold while Trey was scrambling, funningly enough.

Adapt to the modern league, or get left to the way side.

And none of this means that Trey will be the right guy for us. But at least the front office recognizes where the league is trending.

All that tightens up in the big ones. As I posted a week or so ago: you don't win the super bowl without being able to take what the defense gives you. You've got to be able to hit the short and intermediate throws and sustain drives.
min the last 4 or so Super Bowls, there's been one pass play of 40 yards or more and only a handful of 30 plus passes.

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Sustained drives also create more opportunities for the offense to mess up...you need every player to execute for long drives on every play and that's not gonna be the cas all the time.

SF isn't creating TOs either...they have what one on the yr?

There's got to be a thread to have explosive plays, just how the league is. I hope we can manage to have both

I agree, the team beat Seattle in just about every statistical category except scoring touchdowns. Having the ball longer and gaining more yards means nothing if you are not scoring touchdowns.

Bingo...Kyle has no problem getting yards, it's putting the ball in the end zone. Hopefully Lance changes that at some point.

Originally posted by Niners99:
He wasn't going to be ready to start regardless. He barely had any playing time in college and couldn't play last season. You can't have one foot in on a starting QB. It has to be all or nothing for the sake of the team. Like the old saying goes, if you have 2 starting QB's, you have none.

This roster has a lot of vets on 1 year deals. Its not a rebuilding year to let your rookie QB learn on the fly. They weren't going to plan it that way when this team is a playoff team when healthy. How is it going to go in the locker room after you signed all those vets back who are trying to win now, and you say "Just kidding, this is a QB development year. Sorry."?

These 1 year deal guys were on defense. Verrett, Tarttt, and I might be missing someone. Not sure how Jimmy starting would help them get better pay days. They're playing for a big contract. You either ball out on defense, or you don't.

For the receivers, I agree, it would probably suck for them in the short term

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Except the most important category: turnovers.

I also think losing our kicker had a bigger impact than people might realize. Yes it was only 3 points but that 3 points were huge because it would have made it a 2 score lead and kept momentum on our side. Special teams was the biggest reason we lost this game.

Losing Gould had a huge impact on yesterday's game. And the fumbled kickoff deep in Seattle's territory was horrific and too tough to overcome. All that said, Lance did a really good job of keeping drives alive and getting it to one score and at least a chance to get the ball back (albeit a very small chance w/ the onside kick).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Sustained drives also create more opportunities for the offense to mess up...you need every player to execute for long drives on every play and that's not gonna be the cas all the time.

SF isn't creating TOs either...they have what one on the yr?

There's got to be a thread to have explosive plays, just how the league is. I hope we can manage to have both

I agree, the team beat Seattle in just about every statistical category except scoring touchdowns. Having the ball longer and gaining more yards means nothing if you are not scoring touchdowns.

Bingo...Kyle has no problem getting yards, it's putting the ball in the end zone. Hopefully Lance changes that at some point.

Part of the problem is Kittle isnt a red zone TE. Hes a between the 20's TE. He doesn't have that box out and out jump athletic gene. Deebo is becoming that red zone threat. Lance will also be huge for that part of the offense.

Originally posted by Niners99:
He wasn't going to be ready to start regardless. He barely had any playing time in college and couldn't play last season. You can't have one foot in on a starting QB. It has to be all or nothing for the sake of the team. Like the old saying goes, if you have 2 starting QB's, you have none.

This roster has a lot of vets on 1 year deals. Its not a rebuilding year to let your rookie QB learn on the fly. They weren't going to plan it that way when this team is a playoff team when healthy. How is it going to go in the locker room after you signed all those vets back who are trying to win now, and you say "Just kidding, this is a QB development year. Sorry."?

How do you know he wasn't gonna be ready to start? I mean when are rookie QBs actually ready to start? How is sitting on the bench and not playing football getting him ready to play football? So what next year is the rebuilding yr? There's always gonna be vet's on one yr deals and signing up because of Jimmy was probably not the reason they signed up to begin with.

Also they had what a couple vets on 1 yr deals, mainly because they were cheap and it was a covid off season. Who were the massive one yr signings? Why can't they win games and develop the QB? Is Kyle not capable of putting him in position to be successful this this "great" roster?

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by Niners99:
He wasn't going to be ready to start regardless. He barely had any playing time in college and couldn't play last season. You can't have one foot in on a starting QB. It has to be all or nothing for the sake of the team. Like the old saying goes, if you have 2 starting QB's, you have none.

This roster has a lot of vets on 1 year deals. Its not a rebuilding year to let your rookie QB learn on the fly. They weren't going to plan it that way when this team is a playoff team when healthy. How is it going to go in the locker room after you signed all those vets back who are trying to win now, and you say "Just kidding, this is a QB development year. Sorry."?

These 1 year deal guys were on defense. Verrett, Tarttt, and I might be missing someone. Not sure how Jimmy starting would help them get better pay days. They're playing for a big contract. You either ball out on defense, or you don't.

For the receivers, I agree, it would probably suck for them in the short term

Because if an offense struggling with a new QB will overwork the D. Theyll be out on the field all
day sucking wind.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
This. 100% right on the money. A "voice of reason," knowledgeable football post on where Lance was coming into this season and also where this team was starting the year - before the injuries started happening.

Who the hell is signing a one yr deal for the "opportunity" to play with Jimmy G lol? Give me a break, let's stop acting like he's Dan Marino or something...these one yr deals were cheap and guys that were familiar with the team, who couldn't find more cash in FA because of the drop in cap.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How do you know he wasn't gonna be ready to start? I mean when are rookie QBs actually ready to start? How is sitting on the bench and not playing football getting him ready to play football? So what next year is the rebuilding yr? There's always gonna be vet's on one yr deals and signing up because of Jimmy was probably not the reason they signed up to begin with.

Also they had what a couple vets on 1 yr deals, mainly because they were cheap and it was a covid off season. Who were the massive one yr signings? Why can't they win games and develop the QB? Is Kyle not capable of putting him in position to be successful this this "great" roster?

He's obviously not ready. Thats how we know. If you put a kid out there too early, he can flounder and it ruins his confidence and development. This roster was too talented to be a QB development year, period.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
This. 100% right on the money. A "voice of reason," knowledgeable football post on where Lance was coming into this season and also where this team was starting the year - before the injuries started happening.

Who the hell is signing a one yr deal for the "opportunity" to play with Jimmy G lol? Give me a break, let's stop acting like he's Dan Marino or something...these one yr deals were cheap and guys that were familiar with the team, who couldn't find more cash in FA because of the drop in cap.

This team literally just went to the SB with Jimmy in 2019. I guarantee a bunch of them don't re-sign here if they knew we planned on developing a rookie.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
All that tightens up in the big ones. As I posted a week or so ago: you don't win the super bowl without being able to take what the defense gives you. You've got to be able to hit the short and intermediate throws and sustain drives.
min the last 4 or so Super Bowls, there's been one pass play of 40 yards or more and only a handful of 30 plus passes.

no one cares about 5 yrs ago though...rules have changed since then. But if you want to talk about one SB how about vs Baltimore. Flacco balled out through the playoffs and had no problem throwing it downfield.

Eli Manning one two SBs on crazy throws downfield. There's a balance to all of it and right now these team wasn't balanced at all.

Look at this fun stat


Why can't we get in on that action?

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
All that tightens up in the big ones. As I posted a week or so ago: you don't win the super bowl without being able to take what the defense gives you. You've got to be able to hit the short and intermediate throws and sustain drives.
min the last 4 or so Super Bowls, there's been one pass play of 40 yards or more and only a handful of 30 plus passes.

You also don't win the Superbowl with performances like Mac Jones has had (you don't win most regular season games that way either).

All these rookies have things to work on! Some are easier to overcome than others because some aren't related to physical deficiencies

Originally posted by Niners99:
He's obviously not ready. Thats how we know. If you put a kid out there too early, he can flounder and it ruins his confidence and development. This roster was too talented to be a QB development year, period.

if he's that much of a puss that he can't handle pressure then he will never be good. IF this roster was so great then that's MORE of a reason to play the guy who you spent the farm on. He doesn't have to be the one making plays every down because the roster blows.

IMO people overrate this roster in general...that secondary was one injury away from being avg. They didn't have the money to have legit depth because we paid too much for a avg starting QB, who was gonna get hurt.

What people said was gonna happen, happened...now Lance is forced to play football, with hardly any snaps with the starters all through camp, played with backups in the preseason and being the scout QB during the season...yeah that's the way to develop your QB.

But here we are and people are gonna complain when he's "not ready" not s**t they didn't do anything to get him ready.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
no one cares about 5 yrs ago though...rules have changed since then. But if you want to talk about one SB how about vs Baltimore. Flacco balled out through the playoffs and had no problem throwing it downfield.

Eli Manning one two SBs on crazy throws downfield. There's a balance to all of it and right now these team wasn't balanced at all.

Look at this fun stat

The 49ers have been called for a league leading 8 defensive pass interference penalties this season

Over the last two games, the 49ers have given up four automatic first downs on DPI calls that have gone for yardage gains of

25
32
24
23

All four were on 3rd down as well

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) October 4, 2021

Why can't we get in on that action?

It's bad all around the league. I saw a couple in last night's game that was so minor that really made no difference in the WR not being able to make the catch. It's getting rediculous.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How do you know he wasn't gonna be ready to start? I mean when are rookie QBs actually ready to start? How is sitting on the bench and not playing football getting him ready to play football? So what next year is the rebuilding yr? There's always gonna be vet's on one yr deals and signing up because of Jimmy was probably not the reason they signed up to begin with.

Also they had what a couple vets on 1 yr deals, mainly because they were cheap and it was a covid off season. Who were the massive one yr signings? Why can't they win games and develop the QB? Is Kyle not capable of putting him in position to be successful this this "great" roster?

He's obviously not ready. Thats how we know. If you put a kid out there too early, he can flounder and it ruins his confidence and development. This roster was too talented to be a QB development year, period.

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