Deshaun Watson

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

And you know this how? Just like people were sure that Stafford would only go to certain teams when it turns out that the Patriots were the only team he refused to play for. Ultimately we have no idea what Watson is thinking or where he would and wouldn't play.

It's pretty reasonable to believe that the teams that were in play for Stafford are all going to be in play for Watson who is an even bigger prize. Until we hear some concrete info about Watson preferring certain teams or refusing to play for others, it makes sense to think that he'd be willing to play for pretty much anyone making a decent offer.

I could have told you Stafford had no interest in NE after Patricia tried to install "the Patriot way" and then went back to NE.

No one knows what will happen but it's clear the niners have to be the most attractive spot

The way some talk it's like Watson is going to say "You're trading me to SF and that's it".

Not going to happen. I'll be very shocked if it happens, especially the way the media are hyping it up.

Originally posted by kezar49er:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by NinersFan52:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
As they should if that team is giving them f**king 3-4 1sts. I don't think no team especially ours is giving them that much as well as key YOUNG core defensive stars. Not gonna happen, at the end of the day I think Houston would be satisfied with 3 1sts and later rd picks

You want Houston to be satisfied with that, just like many thought Detroit would be satisfied with two second rounders and two third rounders for Stafford. In reality they will hold out for the best deal between us, Broncos, Panthers, Jets, and whoever else. I think we lose out on that unless we include Bosa.

Alright let's see if the Jets give up a young player then again they don't even have anyone on Bosa's level so they probably will throw anyone in. We can see with the panthers with Brian Burns, Broncos with Chubb, WFT with Young. Dot see no team parting with a young stud along with massive picks they have to give up and at the end of the day when Houston realizes Watson is really done with them they'll gladly take the haul of picks.

Min asking price for Watson starts around 3 1's & Kinlaw

I'd argue #12 and #44 plus a 2022 1st rounder is worth more than #12, and 1sts in 2022 and 2023.

The #44 is worth more to them than some first rounder that they might never get to use because they're all fired before then. Yeah, he's just hired but what happens if you trade the best players on the team and then g0 2-14 and 4-12 in the next two seasons. I'm not sure you get another year.

That's always the case, current picks are worth about a round higher in future picks. Plus, we could legit win the SB and pick 32, 12 spots higher than the #44 they could have on their team and playing next year.

I wouldn't offer any players. I'd offer #12, #44, and next years first. If they played hardball I'd toss in a 3rd next year as well. I don't know that I'd go any higher. Maybe the 2022 2nd instead of 3rd.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

I'd argue #12 and #44 plus a 2022 1st rounder is worth more than #12, and 1sts in 2022 and 2023.

The #44 is worth more to them than some first rounder that they might never get to use because they're all fired before then. Yeah, he's just hired but what happens if you trade the best players on the team and then g0 2-14 and 4-12 in the next two seasons. I'm not sure you get another year.

That's always the case, current picks are worth about a round higher in future picks. Plus, we could legit win the SB and pick 32, 12 spots higher than the #44 they could have on their team and playing next year.

I wouldn't offer any players. I'd offer #12, #44, and next years first. If they played hardball I'd toss in a 3rd next year as well. I don't know that I'd go any higher. Maybe the 2022 2nd instead of 3rd.

The Texans GM was just hired. He has some breathing room, so being worried about being fired before he can use the 1st rounders in 2022 or 2023 is not realistic. The only way he is fired is if he does take some crazy low ball price of two firsts and one second and a third for Watson. Half the league will be in on it, but don't let that ruin some people's dream that Watson is going to demand to be traded to the Niners. Btw, I would LOVE to be wrong about this, but unfortunately i won't be. If he is traded it will be a heavy price tag for any team.

Chris Simms talked about a possible trade on his podcast today:
https://youtu.be/HJNh4PEProc?t=2726 at 45:22 mark

A bit tangent, but at the beginning (10:25) he said that Stafford also said no to Carolina and Denver in addition to NE

Originally posted by rockzz:

Chris Simms talked about a possible trade on his podcast today:
https://youtu.be/HJNh4PEProc?t=2726 at 45:22 mark

A bit tangent, but at the beginning (10:25) he said that Stafford also said no to Carolina and Denver in addition to NE

He also said he's in Kyle's ear telling him to get Watson and that he might be annoyed by that....

Originally posted by rockzz:

Chris Simms talked about a possible trade on his podcast today:
https://youtu.be/HJNh4PEProc?t=2726 at 45:22 mark

A bit tangent, but at the beginning (10:25) he said that Stafford also said no to Carolina and Denver in addition to NE

Hopefully Kyle listens to his buddy.

Originally posted by Heroism:

John Lynch when the Texans ask for a key player in a potential Watson trade pic.twitter.com/dwiK9ttzku

— Jarrett Bailey (@JBaileyNFL) February 2, 2021

Lol that's great.

Originally posted by NinersFan52:

Originally posted by boomer49er:
I'd argue #12 and #44 plus a 2022 1st rounder is worth more than #12, and 1sts in 2022 and 2023.

The #44 is worth more to them than some first rounder that they might never get to use because they're all fired before then. Yeah, he's just hired but what happens if you trade the best players on the team and then g0 2-14 and 4-12 in the next two seasons. I'm not sure you get another year.

That's always the case, current picks are worth about a round higher in future picks. Plus, we could legit win the SB and pick 32, 12 spots higher than the #44 they could have on their team and playing next year.

I wouldn't offer any players. I'd offer #12, #44, and next years first. If they played hardball I'd toss in a 3rd next year as well. I don't know that I'd go any higher. Maybe the 2022 2nd instead of 3rd.

The Texans GM was just hired. He has some breathing room, so being worried about being fired before he can use the 1st rounders in 2022 or 2023 is not realistic. The only way he is fired is if he does take some crazy low ball price of two firsts and one second and a third for Watson. Half the league will be in on it, but don't let that ruin some people's dream that Watson is going to demand to be traded to the Niners. Btw, I would LOVE to be wrong about this, but unfortunately i won't be. If he is traded it will be a heavy price tag for any team.

Draft picks in future years are valued at about a round lower than the current year. You can find examples of this in practice.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2020/5/2/21245120/a-look-at-2020-nfl-draft-trades-the-jimmy-johnson-chart-is-still-the
https://www.quora.com/How-much-do-NFL-teams-discount-a-draft-pick-in-a-future-year

#44 is worth more than any future pick we could trade.

I'm not saying that would get the deal done, I'm just saying #12, #44, and next years first is worth more than first in three consecutive years.

Think of it like interest. You can borrow money now, but only because you are going to pay back more later. The money now is worth more to you than the higher amount you will be paying back.

Cousins talk is chess move to bring down value of Watson

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Cousins talk is chess move to bring down value of Watson

Or they are both a play to get Garoppolo to restructure his deal to lower the cap hit.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Cousins talk is chess move to bring down value of Watson

Or they are both a play to get Garoppolo to restructure his deal to lower the cap hit.

Jimmy needs a per game played contract.

Ah Chris Simms is doing a solid for us by annoying Kyle with Watson.^^
It´s strange because Chris will be the first to tell that Kyle is in his own league as offensive playcaller but sometimes I get this feeling Kyle should listen more to Chris view on QBs.

The only defensive guys that would have worthwhile trade value to Houston is Bosa, Warner, and maybe Kinlaw.

Bosa would be the only guy that's untouchable to me because to me after an elite QB the next hardest thing to find is an elite pass rusher.

I'd hate to lose Warner but if a package with him in it is what it takes to get Watson you have to do it. Also Warner is due big money so using him as an asset in a trade also opens up cap space since you're not going to pay him top LB money anymore.

My gut feeling is Houston doesn't make a trade this offseason and tests Watson's resolve. If they don't move him before the draft I seriously doubt they'll move him until next offseason if Watson stands firm.

It doesn't help that the teams with the most valuable draft assets like the Jets and Dolphins have defensive minded head coaches who typically would rather use the draft capital on building up the roster than spending it grabbing a QB even an elite one.

But because Houston is in such a mess with draft capital and the salary cap they might go ahead and feel it's better to begin the rebuilding process now instead of gambling on Watson changing his mind and starting to rebuild in earnest next offseason.