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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I'm having nightmares... pic.twitter.com/1EwmtSF26m
— Odracir909 (@Ricardo90910) April 26, 2021
Dang that was a good photoshop job!
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Peter King's first and only mock. Surprise!
Football Morning In America is up! In my column:
— Peter King (@peter_king) April 26, 2021
🏈 My one + only MOCK DRAFT. I won't go 32 for 32.
🏈 QBs go 1-2-3, then 8-9
🏈 First defender goes at 10
🏈 Don't be surprised if these 2 vets are traded
🏈 Two trades go down in the early 20s
🏈 More!https://t.co/00u8cyWROy pic.twitter.com/hLZjRM1sMw
3. San Francisco 49ers (from Miami via Houston)—Mac Jones, QB, Alabama
Hearing it's a two-horse race with Trey Lance. Quite a few of the experts will faint if this pick happens, and then outrage will ensue, and how-could-they-pass-on-Fields-and-Lance hot takes will flood the earth. GM John Lynch and coach Kyle Shanahan—with contracts that run through 2024 and 2025, respectively—do not care. They have not cared about public sentiment since taking these jobs, and this is their fifth draft. In their first, 2017, I was in the room as it happened, and these were the top three players on the board: 1 Myles Garrett, 2 Solomon Thomas, 3 Reuben Foster. With the third pick, they were sure to get one of those. But Foster? Really? No one had him that high. Lynch: "Had Solomon been gone, we'd have taken Foster. And been happy." My point: Shanahan and Lynch won't care what order the draftniks have the quarterbacks, or any position.
Shanahan believes Jones is the accurate coach-on-the-field type he craves. As one coach in QB-prospecting mode told me this spring: "Jones has elite NFL traits. He's a natural thrower, is technically very sound, very accurate and throws a catchable ball. His base and mechanics are excellent." He's not the athlete a Lance or Fields is, but he doesn't have feet of stone. I'll be fascinated—we all will—if Jones is the pick. And I can see it happening.
Peter King...
Originally posted by mayo49:Originally posted by Giedi:Originally posted by jcs:Originally posted by Heroism:Peter King's first and only mock. Surprise!
Football Morning In America is up! In my column:
— Peter King (@peter_king) April 26, 2021
🏈 My one + only MOCK DRAFT. I won't go 32 for 32.
🏈 QBs go 1-2-3, then 8-9
🏈 First defender goes at 10
🏈 Don't be surprised if these 2 vets are traded
🏈 Two trades go down in the early 20s
🏈 More!https://t.co/00u8cyWROy pic.twitter.com/hLZjRM1sMw
3. San Francisco 49ers (from Miami via Houston)—Mac Jones, QB, Alabama
Hearing it's a two-horse race with Trey Lance. Quite a few of the experts will faint if this pick happens, and then outrage will ensue, and how-could-they-pass-on-Fields-and-Lance hot takes will flood the earth. GM John Lynch and coach Kyle Shanahan—with contracts that run through 2024 and 2025, respectively—do not care. They have not cared about public sentiment since taking these jobs, and this is their fifth draft. In their first, 2017, I was in the room as it happened, and these were the top three players on the board: 1 Myles Garrett, 2 Solomon Thomas, 3 Reuben Foster. With the third pick, they were sure to get one of those. But Foster? Really? No one had him that high. Lynch: "Had Solomon been gone, we'd have taken Foster. And been happy." My point: Shanahan and Lynch won't care what order the draftniks have the quarterbacks, or any position.
Shanahan believes Jones is the accurate coach-on-the-field type he craves. As one coach in QB-prospecting mode told me this spring: "Jones has elite NFL traits. He's a natural thrower, is technically very sound, very accurate and throws a catchable ball. His base and mechanics are excellent." He's not the athlete a Lance or Fields is, but he doesn't have feet of stone. I'll be fascinated—we all will—if Jones is the pick. And I can see it happening.
Peter King...
Originally posted by JTB1974:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
No it does not lol. They setup their FA to be able to have Jimmy on the team. Kyle specifically pointed out the Alex Smith/Patrick Mahomes scenario and how that's how you'd like to do it.
if the whole reason in taking Mac is because you want him to play day 1 and don't care about ceiling, well imo that's how you limit your team...thats not a long-term approach and you literally spent long-term investments to get to 3. Smh
Jimmy has a no trade clause, his value is about as low as it gets right now and not many teams can just take on $27M after FA.
But Mac Jones is not Patrick Mahomes. Trey Lance can be though. Kyle just needs to take that leap of faith. Try to hit the jackpot instead of taking the safe pick. Chances are if Jones hits his ceiling he still wouldn't be worth the price that was paid to get him. He has to be a top 5 QB to be worth what the Niners traded to get him. I keep hearing about how good Kyle is with QB's. Well prove it and develop the guy with the highest ceiling. He has no faith in turning a kid with Lance's athletic ability into a superstar?
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Furlow:
You guys love McCorkle. We get it. Didn't have to trade up to #3 for him. Waste of draft capital.
True
If he's your guy - can't sit at #12 and hope he falls. Is #3 high? Yes, but you made the move for him so got to take him.
Originally posted by 16_to_80:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 16_to_80:
Agreed they have to trade or cut Jimmy. If Mac cant beat out Jimmy its not gonna look good. When you trade up that far with all the assets used it has to be for a day 1 starter.
No it does not lol. They setup their FA to be able to have Jimmy on the team. Kyle specifically pointed out the Alex Smith/Patrick Mahomes scenario and how that's how you'd like to do it.
if the whole reason in taking Mac is because you want him to play day 1 and don't care about ceiling, well imo that's how you limit your team...thats not a long-term approach and you literally spent long-term investments to get to 3. Smh
Jimmy has a no trade clause, his value is about as low as it gets right now and not many teams can just take on $27M after FA.
Thats my personal opinion on trading all those assets to get a top 5 pic call me crazy. I dont think Jimmy would be as receptive like Alex Smith in terms of being a bridge. They added more pressure on themselves and the player by making this move. Why not just not trade all the way up and trade down and get a Kellen Mond or Mills later instead to sit and develop and not start day 1 and keep and gain assets.
Originally posted by Giedi:Originally posted by mayo49:Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:Originally posted by Furlow:You guys love McCorkle. We get it. Didn't have to trade up to #3 for him. Waste of draft capital.
True
If he's your guy - can't sit at #12 and hope he falls. Is #3 high? Yes, but you made the move for him so got to take him.
If (big *IF*) Kyle sees Mac as a Matt Ryan 2.0, I think 3 first rounders would be great value in Kyles eyes. Younger than Jimmy with possibly better deep ball and give Kyle 10 years with Matt Ryan 2.0, imagine how many super bowls they can be in, in that time span?
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Peter King's first and only mock. Surprise!
Football Morning In America is up! In my column:
— Peter King (@peter_king) April 26, 2021
🏈 My one + only MOCK DRAFT. I won't go 32 for 32.
🏈 QBs go 1-2-3, then 8-9
🏈 First defender goes at 10
🏈 Don't be surprised if these 2 vets are traded
🏈 Two trades go down in the early 20s
🏈 More!https://t.co/00u8cyWROy pic.twitter.com/hLZjRM1sMw
3. San Francisco 49ers (from Miami via Houston)—Mac Jones, QB, Alabama
Hearing it's a two-horse race with Trey Lance. Quite a few of the experts will faint if this pick happens, and then outrage will ensue, and how-could-they-pass-on-Fields-and-Lance hot takes will flood the earth. GM John Lynch and coach Kyle Shanahan—with contracts that run through 2024 and 2025, respectively—do not care. They have not cared about public sentiment since taking these jobs, and this is their fifth draft. In their first, 2017, I was in the room as it happened, and these were the top three players on the board: 1 Myles Garrett, 2 Solomon Thomas, 3 Reuben Foster. With the third pick, they were sure to get one of those. But Foster? Really? No one had him that high. Lynch: "Had Solomon been gone, we'd have taken Foster. And been happy." My point: Shanahan and Lynch won't care what order the draftniks have the quarterbacks, or any position.
Shanahan believes Jones is the accurate coach-on-the-field type he craves. As one coach in QB-prospecting mode told me this spring: "Jones has elite NFL traits. He's a natural thrower, is technically very sound, very accurate and throws a catchable ball. His base and mechanics are excellent." He's not the athlete a Lance or Fields is, but he doesn't have feet of stone. I'll be fascinated—we all will—if Jones is the pick. And I can see it happening.
Peter King...
Peter King, in his latest mock draft for Sports Illustrated, has the Browns trading the sixth pick to the Chargers for the 11th pick and a second-round choice and using the 11th pick on West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith.
Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Furlow:
You guys love McCorkle. We get it. Didn't have to trade up to #3 for him. Waste of draft capital.
True
If he's your guy - can't sit at #12 and hope he falls. Is #3 high? Yes, but you made the move for him so got to take him.
If (big *IF*) Kyle sees Mac as a Matt Ryan 2.0, I think 3 first rounders would be great value in Kyles eyes. Younger than Jimmy with possibly better deep ball and give Kyle 10 years with Matt Ryan 2.0, imagine how many super bowls they can be in, in that time span?
There was 0 chance he was lasting to 12.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Peter King's first and only mock. Surprise!
Football Morning In America is up! In my column:
— Peter King (@peter_king) April 26, 2021
🏈 My one + only MOCK DRAFT. I won't go 32 for 32.
🏈 QBs go 1-2-3, then 8-9
🏈 First defender goes at 10
🏈 Don't be surprised if these 2 vets are traded
🏈 Two trades go down in the early 20s
🏈 More!https://t.co/00u8cyWROy pic.twitter.com/hLZjRM1sMw
3. San Francisco 49ers (from Miami via Houston)—Mac Jones, QB, Alabama
Hearing it's a two-horse race with Trey Lance. Quite a few of the experts will faint if this pick happens, and then outrage will ensue, and how-could-they-pass-on-Fields-and-Lance hot takes will flood the earth. GM John Lynch and coach Kyle Shanahan—with contracts that run through 2024 and 2025, respectively—do not care. They have not cared about public sentiment since taking these jobs, and this is their fifth draft. In their first, 2017, I was in the room as it happened, and these were the top three players on the board: 1 Myles Garrett, 2 Solomon Thomas, 3 Reuben Foster. With the third pick, they were sure to get one of those. But Foster? Really? No one had him that high. Lynch: "Had Solomon been gone, we'd have taken Foster. And been happy." My point: Shanahan and Lynch won't care what order the draftniks have the quarterbacks, or any position.
Shanahan believes Jones is the accurate coach-on-the-field type he craves. As one coach in QB-prospecting mode told me this spring: "Jones has elite NFL traits. He's a natural thrower, is technically very sound, very accurate and throws a catchable ball. His base and mechanics are excellent." He's not the athlete a Lance or Fields is, but he doesn't have feet of stone. I'll be fascinated—we all will—if Jones is the pick. And I can see it happening.
Peter King...
Peter King, in his latest mock draft for Sports Illustrated, has the Browns trading the sixth pick to the Chargers for the 11th pick and a second-round choice and using the 11th pick on West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith.
Peter King had SF taking Josh Jones in the 1st rd and trading out of pick 31 last yr...King has been wrong more than right these past couple yrs.
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by swayze:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Well thats the other point Kyle makes. If they *lean* on their athleticism- in his experience he says it delays their pocket QB development. He is saying that, not me. But seeing Steve be a one read and run QB for years, makes me kind of agree with him.
Now you look at Mahomes and the pro Field's/Lance guys say Mahomes did fine developing behind Alex, therefore Fields/Lance will be just fine. But this isn't Fat Andy's offense, this is Kyles offense- one of the more compelx offenses in the NFL. Again, its that athleticism vs intangibles argument --- i don't have the answer to that question, but Kyle will have to come up with one on the 29th, he can't pick two QBs with that #3 pick.
Using that logic it makes sense as to why all the experts have concluded it's Mac. Shanahan has also said his view has evolved and that there are "hundreds" of ways to be good enough, so the question is how patient is he willing to be with a prospect that uses that athleticism but is "good enough" in at least one of those hundred other ways. I don't think it's just intangibles vs athleticism, there's also arm strength, ability to throw with velocity off platform (unless we are counting these under athleticism?). Honestly at this point my only real reservation with Mac at 3 is his arm, he's just not a premium arm talent guy
As to arm strength, I rely on Chris Simms and also watched a ton of Mac Jones throws and I really didn't see a weak arm. I saw a 60+ yard TD he threw in High School. So I dont agree his arm is sub par for the NFL game.
I also kind of view footwork and the ability to sense pressure and slide around in the pocket as right there in the Grey area between intangibles and athleticism. Like you said he has the footwork and that sensing pressure and pocket sliding ability.
As for athleticism, he had a good OLine so I didn't see a lot of escaping the pocket like Mahomes - 3rd and 15 situations. What i did see was that he rarely got into a third and 15 situation in the first place. Again that was the fact that he had a good team surrounding him, but I also give him a little credit for elevating his team, the way Jimmy did to the 49ers the last 5 games of 2017.
That's not what arm strength means.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by jcs:
Why aren't more people talking about this dime 🎯 #NFLDraft pic.twitter.com/PW2itTUQ4B
— Mac Hereford (@Mac_Hereford) March 31, 2021
That was more of a full body heave while Fields looks like he just tosses a dart across his chest with ease. But I admit he did get it 60 yards. Point still stands that the other two have arms that allow them to make throws that Mac cannot make, reach targets faster.
That was an off platform throw and Mac Jones has plenty arm enough to make every through required of the position and he can do it with consistent ball placement something the other two guys struggle with.
Nice observation!Good point.
Originally posted by Giedi:
You mean like Kaepernicks arm?
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
You know who really wants Mac Jones drafted at #3?
The team(s) holding the 49ers' 2022 and 2023 1st round picks.
Let's be honest here. If jones is the pick he's going to do very well here with the roster we have. The issue isn't next few years. It's once he's due for his 2nd contract and we can't keep a powerhouse roster together because we missed 2 first round picks and a 3rd rounder and couldn't retain some of our other talent.
Can he elevate the play of others and not require stacked team to play well? Dunno about that.
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
You know who really wants Mac Jones drafted at #3?
The team(s) holding the 49ers' 2022 and 2023 1st round picks.
All these teams are praying Kyle takes Mac....there isn't a single team in the league that's terrified at the thought of Mac playing in SF. NOT ONE