Mac Jones-QB-49ers

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well thats the other point Kyle makes. If they *lean* on their athleticism- in his experience he says it delays their pocket QB development. He is saying that, not me. But seeing Steve be a one read and run QB for years, makes me kind of agree with him.

Now you look at Mahomes and the pro Field's/Lance guys say Mahomes did fine developing behind Alex, therefore Fields/Lance will be just fine. But this isn't Fat Andy's offense, this is Kyles offense- one of the more compelx offenses in the NFL. Again, its that athleticism vs intangibles argument --- i don't have the answer to that question, but Kyle will have to come up with one on the 29th, he can't pick two QBs with that #3 pick.

Do you know what else can help qb development within the pocket? Not having the pocket collapse .5 seconds after the snap.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by jcs:

Why aren't more people talking about this dime 🎯 #NFLDraft pic.twitter.com/PW2itTUQ4B

— Mac Hereford (@Mac_Hereford) March 31, 2021

That was more of a full body heave while Fields looks like he just tosses a dart across his chest with ease. But I admit he did get it 60 yards. Point still stands that the other two have arms that allow them to make throws that Mac cannot make, reach targets faster.

That was an off platform throw and Mac Jones has plenty arm enough to make every through required of the position and he can do it with consistent ball placement something the other two guys struggle with.

Nice observation! Good point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 16_to_80:
Agreed they have to trade or cut Jimmy. If Mac cant beat out Jimmy its not gonna look good. When you trade up that far with all the assets used it has to be for a day 1 starter.

No it does not lol. They setup their FA to be able to have Jimmy on the team. Kyle specifically pointed out the Alex Smith/Patrick Mahomes scenario and how that's how you'd like to do it.

if the whole reason in taking Mac is because you want him to play day 1 and don't care about ceiling, well imo that's how you limit your team...thats not a long-term approach and you literally spent long-term investments to get to 3. Smh

Jimmy has a no trade clause, his value is about as low as it gets right now and not many teams can just take on $27M after FA.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
You know who really wants Mac Jones drafted at #3?

The team(s) holding the 49ers' 2022 and 2023 1st round picks.

Let's be honest here. If jones is the pick he's going to do very well here with the roster we have. The issue isn't next few years. It's once he's due for his 2nd contract and we can't keep a powerhouse roster together because we missed 2 first round picks and a 3rd rounder and couldn't retain some of our other talent.

Can he elevate the play of others and not require stacked team to play well? Dunno about that.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Chance:
That was more of a full body heave while Fields looks like he just tosses a dart across his chest with ease. But I admit he did get it 60 yards. Point still stands that the other two have arms that allow them to make throws that Mac cannot make, reach targets faster.

I guess a response to that would be that like Kurt Warner said, once you get to the playoffs, it becomes more about being able to consistently make the layups and free throws that allow your team to get down the field. You start seeing better and better defenses that limit the big plays and you have to be able to methodically move it up and down the field against those defenses. You can be a complete regular season stud and then fall apart in the playoffs because those big plays get taken away, you have to really earn it snap by snap.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
You know who really wants Mac Jones drafted at #3?

The team(s) holding the 49ers' 2022 and 2023 1st round picks.

Let's be honest here. If jones is the pick he's going to do very well here with the roster we have. The issue isn't next few years. It's once he's due for his 2nd contract and we can't keep a powerhouse roster together because we missed 2 first round picks and a 3rd rounder and couldn't retain some of our other talent.

Can he elevate the play of others and not require stacked team to play well? Dunno about that.

Originally posted by 16_to_80:
Thats my personal opinion on trading all those assets to get a top 5 pic call me crazy. I dont think Jimmy would be as receptive like Alex Smith in terms of being a bridge. They added more pressure on themselves and the player by making this move. Why not just not trade all the way up and trade down and get a Kellen Mond or Mills later instead to sit and develop and not start day 1 and keep and gain assets.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Peter King's first and only mock. Surprise!

Football Morning In America is up! In my column:

🏈 My one + only MOCK DRAFT. I won't go 32 for 32.
🏈 QBs go 1-2-3, then 8-9
🏈 First defender goes at 10
🏈 Don't be surprised if these 2 vets are traded
🏈 Two trades go down in the early 20s
🏈 More!https://t.co/00u8cyWROy pic.twitter.com/hLZjRM1sMw

— Peter King (@peter_king) April 26, 2021

3. San Francisco 49ers (from Miami via Houston)—Mac Jones, QB, Alabama

Hearing it's a two-horse race with Trey Lance. Quite a few of the experts will faint if this pick happens, and then outrage will ensue, and how-could-they-pass-on-Fields-and-Lance hot takes will flood the earth. GM John Lynch and coach Kyle Shanahan—with contracts that run through 2024 and 2025, respectively—do not care. They have not cared about public sentiment since taking these jobs, and this is their fifth draft. In their first, 2017, I was in the room as it happened, and these were the top three players on the board: 1 Myles Garrett, 2 Solomon Thomas, 3 Reuben Foster. With the third pick, they were sure to get one of those. But Foster? Really? No one had him that high. Lynch: "Had Solomon been gone, we'd have taken Foster. And been happy." My point: Shanahan and Lynch won't care what order the draftniks have the quarterbacks, or any position.

Shanahan believes Jones is the accurate coach-on-the-field type he craves. As one coach in QB-prospecting mode told me this spring: "Jones has elite NFL traits. He's a natural thrower, is technically very sound, very accurate and throws a catchable ball. His base and mechanics are excellent." He's not the athlete a Lance or Fields is, but he doesn't have feet of stone. I'll be fascinated—we all will—if Jones is the pick. And I can see it happening.

Peter King...

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Peter King's first and only mock. Surprise!

Football Morning In America is up! In my column:

🏈 My one + only MOCK DRAFT. I won't go 32 for 32.
🏈 QBs go 1-2-3, then 8-9
🏈 First defender goes at 10
🏈 Don't be surprised if these 2 vets are traded
🏈 Two trades go down in the early 20s
🏈 More!https://t.co/00u8cyWROy pic.twitter.com/hLZjRM1sMw

— Peter King (@peter_king) April 26, 2021

3. San Francisco 49ers (from Miami via Houston)—Mac Jones, QB, Alabama

Hearing it's a two-horse race with Trey Lance. Quite a few of the experts will faint if this pick happens, and then outrage will ensue, and how-could-they-pass-on-Fields-and-Lance hot takes will flood the earth. GM John Lynch and coach Kyle Shanahan—with contracts that run through 2024 and 2025, respectively—do not care. They have not cared about public sentiment since taking these jobs, and this is their fifth draft. In their first, 2017, I was in the room as it happened, and these were the top three players on the board: 1 Myles Garrett, 2 Solomon Thomas, 3 Reuben Foster. With the third pick, they were sure to get one of those. But Foster? Really? No one had him that high. Lynch: "Had Solomon been gone, we'd have taken Foster. And been happy." My point: Shanahan and Lynch won't care what order the draftniks have the quarterbacks, or any position.

Shanahan believes Jones is the accurate coach-on-the-field type he craves. As one coach in QB-prospecting mode told me this spring: "Jones has elite NFL traits. He's a natural thrower, is technically very sound, very accurate and throws a catchable ball. His base and mechanics are excellent." He's not the athlete a Lance or Fields is, but he doesn't have feet of stone. I'll be fascinated—we all will—if Jones is the pick. And I can see it happening.

Peter King...

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
What if Kyle drafts Jones and they keep Jimmy and Jimmy plays like he did in 2017 before the injury? The fanbase will question why dump Jimmy for Mac Jones when there is nothing Jones can do that Jimmy can't. They are the same QB, Just one is cheaper. This is why you can't keep Jimmy if you draft Jones. It will be a disaster.

Then the 49ers will likely win the NFCW, and Mac Jones will slowly become an afterthought for the 2021 season.

Mac Jones will be on a rookie contract. If Jimmy has his best season ever next year, the Niners have a good problem, and he's still under contract for two years. They could ride out his contract, they could even franchise him a third year, or they could trade him for good value. All the while, Mac Jones won't be costing much and will be acclimating to the NFL game. I think it would be ideal if Jimmy took this as motivation and reverted to form. Some of Joe Montana's best play came after Walsh put a burr under his saddle by trading for Young.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
You know who really wants Mac Jones drafted at #3?

The team(s) holding the 49ers' 2022 and 2023 1st round picks.

Let's be honest here. If jones is the pick he's going to do very well here with the roster we have. The issue isn't next few years. It's once he's due for his 2nd contract and we can't keep a powerhouse roster together because we missed 2 first round picks and a 3rd rounder and couldn't retain some of our other talent.

Can he elevate the play of others and not require stacked team to play well? Dunno about that.

There's no way you can know how well he would do. You think he has ever faced a defense in college that is as difficult to break down than any he will face in the NFL? How many of his WRs will be facing CBs that aren't good enough to even make an NFL practice squad? How much worse will his protection be vs what he had at Alabama?

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I'm having nightmares... pic.twitter.com/1EwmtSF26m

— Odracir909 (@Ricardo90910) April 26, 2021

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Who is to say they will improve their accuracy though? It is not like you just wave a magic wand and it is fixed. If Lance does not or has not significantly improved His accuracy. He is going to have real problems at the NFL level. If every flaw could just be fixed. Every QB in the NFL would be successful.

Fields I don't really see accuracy as being his issue. I like Fields and wouldn't be upset if he was the pick. That being said he holds onto the ball too long at times and struggled against pressure. Not saying this cannot be fixed but The NFL level speeds up so it doesn't get easier.

Why draft guys that might fix or improve serious issues. When you got a guy in mac who is already good at those things and more. The only things about Lance or Fields that there is to like more than Mac is that they have more athletism, the ability to run, and have stronger arms. Mac doesn't need to have a stronger arm than he currently has or more athletism to be successful in the NFL IMO.

What's your definition of successful though? Kirk Cousins? That's not good enough for what they gave up and where they drafted him. They need a QB that has the potential to be a top 5 QB, A guy who you can say is your teams best offensive player or atleast 1A and 1B.

If I had to make a comparison. I would probably say, Matt Ryan. I don't like comparisons though. I could say Mac is the next Tom Brady or Drew Brees. You could say Mac Is the next Kirk Cousins or Jimmy G. You could say Lance/FIelds are Mahomes or Josh Allen. I Could say Lance/FIelds are the next Cam or Kap. End of the day they are all their own players. The fact is right now there are just so many things that Mac is better at than the other two. When It comes to playing QB.

So What makes Mac Jones "Special"? What makes him worthy of the # 3 overall pick? He is an elite processer. He has great footwork. He has great pocket awareness. He has great pocket manipulation skills. Gets the ball out of his hands quickly. Feels the rush and throws well while being pressured. A better passer rating than both Fields and Lance When being pressured. Protects the football and rarely takes sacks. Throws a great deep ball. A better passer rating throwing deep than both Lance and Fields. Throws with great vision and anticipation. Is consistently accurate on all short, medium, and long passes. That is what makes him special.

Not to mention the statistical season Mac Had. . A all-time college record-breaking 77% completion percentage- 4500 yards passing- 11.2 avg. per pass - 44 TD to 4 INT ratio. All this against an All-SEC schedule. Ending in an undefeated season and a national championship trophy.
Mac Jones vs all other QB's.
QBR when Pressured- Mac is 1st
QBR when blitzed- Mac is 1st
deep-ball completion- Mac is 1st
Inside/Outside pocket QBR- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards outside the numbers- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards off-target percentage- Mac is 2nd lowest

I am not sure what more Mac could have done to make people like him as a prospect. Everyone can go chasing rainbows and unicorns. Trying to find the QB who can run like VIck. Has the Arm talent of Mahomes. Plays from the pocket like Peyton Manning. Who has the Qb Awareness of Brady. Everyone wants to go chasing hoping they somehow can have everything, when there is a proven great QB IMO staring them all in the face.