Mac Jones-QB-49ers

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I would have rather not drafting a QB this yr and rolled with Jimmy then take Jones...let alone give up 3 1sts and a 3rd s**t I would have taken Darnold for a 2022 2nd/4th over Jones.

In no world is he the 3rd overall player in this draft, let alone with 3 1sts and a 3rd. f**king dumb

His value is that Shanahan knows he will be able to trust him, as he makes almost no wtf mental plays, and consistently goes to the optimum guy. That will allow Kyle to run his offense, which he can not do with Jimmy, and it's not more than a low percentage gamble he would be able to with Fields or Lance, and That's a high priced bet.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
It is two 1sts and a 3rd to be accurate, but your point is still valid.

No it's the 2021 3rd overall pick, 2022 1st and 3rd, and a 2023 1st...that's FOUR picks in order to get McCorkle in SF

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
It is two 1sts and a 3rd to be accurate, but your point is still valid.

No it's the 2021 3rd overall pick, 2022 1st and 3rd, and a 2023 1st...that's FOUR picks in order to get McCorkle in SF

I think we'll get a 2nd back for Jimmy, and that all three of those future picks will be very low in the round, And we'll add free agents we couldn't afford with Jimmy.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
His value is that Shanahan knows he will be able to trust him, as he makes almost no wtf mental plays. That will allow Kyle to run his offense, which he can not do with Jimmy, and it's not more than a low percentage gamble he would be able to with Fields or Lance, and That's a high priced bet.

So he wants a system QB that can't create s**t when s**t will have to be created at some point? You do NOT spent yrs of 1st rd picks for a system QB. You can find that s**t in every single draft. You spend up for elite traits and someone that can be a top 5 player at the position. Not Kirk Cousins. You can win games with guys like that...but you need everything to go smoothly in structure all yr. You think SF is gonna have every player healthy all yr? You think every player is gonna execute every play correctly? You don't think defenses are gonna win reps?

Go spend $10M on Andy Dalton if all you're looking for is someone to run your offense in structure. You spend a 2nd rd pick (like Jimmy) for system guys that don't have high end traits. You're basically giving up yrs of top capital for avg....It would be one of the biggest reaches in NFL draft history. It would be one of the most arrogant picks in draft history...basically Kyle telling the NFL my scheme will beat every team every week no matter what. Which is seemly false especially when you're in the playoffs.

ALSO there is absolutely no reason as to why Fields can not run his offense...none.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I think we'll get a 2nd back for Jimmy, and that all three of those future picks will be very low in the round, And we'll add free agents we couldn't afford with Jimmy.

And we also lose 3 rookie contracts in the process....if Mac gets hurt (which wouldn't be shocking at all) those 1st rd picks are much higher.

It's a gamble...SF didn't think they would be drafting 2nd when they got Bosa or 12 this yr. We can't assume anything with Jimmy as far as trade capital goes.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
His value is that Shanahan knows he will be able to trust him, as he makes almost no wtf mental plays. That will allow Kyle to run his offense, which he can not do with Jimmy, and it's not more than a low percentage gamble he would be able to with Fields or Lance, and That's a high priced bet.

So he wants a system QB that can't create s**t when s**t will have to be created at some point? You do NOT spent yrs of 1st rd picks for a system QB. You can find that s**t in every single draft. You spend up for elite traits and someone that can be a top 5 player at the position. Not Kirk Cousins. You can win games with guys like that...but you need everything to go smoothly in structure all yr. You think SF is gonna have every player healthy all yr? You think every player is gonna execute every play correctly? You don't think defenses are gonna win reps?

Go spend $10M on Andy Dalton if all you're looking for is someone to run your offense in structure. You spend a 2nd rd pick (like Jimmy) for system guys that don't have high end traits. You're basically giving up yrs of top capital for avg....It would be one of the biggest reaches in NFL draft history. It would be one of the most arrogant picks in draft history...basically Kyle telling the NFL my scheme will beat every team every week no matter what. Which is seemly false especially when you're in the playoffs.

ALSO there is absolutely no reason as to why Fields can not run his offense...none.

Therefore, if he can't, it will be Kyle's fault, and you'll want him gone.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Therefore, if he can't, it will be Kyle's fault, and you'll want him gone.

I think most people will...and I'm a massive Kyle supporter.

You can't be that arrogant in the NFL. No scheme was stopping Josh Allen piss pound SF this past yr...Kyle even stated that.

Go look at the teams that gives Kyle the most problems and who they play well against. I don't think he's that dumb to not recognize that.

It's kind of disappointing that people are discussing Shanahan getting sacked as a result of drafting Jones. There is no one anywhere who has a 100% record in such things. If that is who we take, it would only be fair to give the guy a fair chance. You people don't think Shanahan, Lynch, Peters and the rest of them haven't put in way more study, discussion and consideration than you? So, when your spleen calms a little, regardless of who we took, how about giving him a shot instead of getting butt-hurt and emotional because they didn't pick your guy?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Therefore, if he can't, it will be Kyle's fault, and you'll want him gone.

I think most people will...and I'm a massive Kyle supporter.

You can't be that arrogant in the NFL. No scheme was stopping Josh Allen piss pound SF this past yr...Kyle even stated that.

Go look at the teams that gives Kyle the most problems and who they play well against. I don't think he's that dumb to not recognize that.

If our head coach was Erickson, Nolan, Singletary, Tomsula, Harbaugh, or Kelly, I'd be with you and put my money on a quarterback to save the day. If our head coach was Walsh, or Mike Shanahan, or Kyle Shanahan, I'd put my money on them to find a way.

Damn man despite mac being by far the least favorable pick... this thread has by far the most pages. Maybe this is why big news entities keep talking up mac to the niners. Generating clicks and drama and were eating it up.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
His value is that Shanahan knows he will be able to trust him, as he makes almost no wtf mental plays. That will allow Kyle to run his offense, which he can not do with Jimmy, and it's not more than a low percentage gamble he would be able to with Fields or Lance, and That's a high priced bet.

So he wants a system QB that can't create s**t when s**t will have to be created at some point? You do NOT spent yrs of 1st rd picks for a system QB. You can find that s**t in every single draft. You spend up for elite traits and someone that can be a top 5 player at the position. Not Kirk Cousins. You can win games with guys like that...but you need everything to go smoothly in structure all yr. You think SF is gonna have every player healthy all yr? You think every player is gonna execute every play correctly? You don't think defenses are gonna win reps?

Go spend $10M on Andy Dalton if all you're looking for is someone to run your offense in structure. You spend a 2nd rd pick (like Jimmy) for system guys that don't have high end traits. You're basically giving up yrs of top capital for avg....It would be one of the biggest reaches in NFL draft history. It would be one of the most arrogant picks in draft history...basically Kyle telling the NFL my scheme will beat every team every week no matter what. Which is seemly false especially when you're in the playoffs.

ALSO there is absolutely no reason as to why Fields can not run his offense...none.

C'mon, it's the NFL, nothing ever breaks down or goes away from a plan. My gut feeling says NFL defenses are going to eat him up. All those throwing options, time, and windows are not going to be the same. Gotta be able to create when s**t goes south.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by WolfTotem:
Such an unsexy pick, but he's better than the media implies. Absolute dime with a rusher coming straight at him. The folks that say he always had all day to throw to wide open recievers are just wrong. I'm interested to see where he goes if we don't take him. If I was Kyle, not sure I'd ever draft another player from Alabama though. And Metchie is so good.

People downplaying Jones like he isn't worth a first round pick are just going overboard. He's clearly a talented QB. Just like the people who acted like Garoppolo isn't good enough to start in the XFL were going over the top to make their point were doing.

However both players are limited. Jones appears to have a better deep ball but there are still limitations which is why it's so hard to see him being the guy at 3 with guys like Fields and Lance still on the board.

Jones to me was a very legit option at 12. At worst he could do for us what Jimmy has done on a rookie contract with better deep ball accuracy.

But if you make this trade you better get yourself a guy who doesn't have the same limitations as your existing QB and a slight upgrade doesn't cut it if you're sending two extra firsts and a 3rd to do it. 99% of people covering the draft don't see Jones as a top 3 pick. Most of them don't see him even as a top 3 QB. It would be mind blowing to see him be the pick there.

It's a simple as that...everyone knows how I feel about Mac, I don't think he was worth a top 12 pick, let alone 3 1sts. He's not close to the 3rd overall talent in this draft...imo he's a top 50 prospect late 1st early 2nd talent (because of the position he plays).

He's not horrible and does have good attributes. Like you said he's is limited and the things he's limited at he can't really improve on. SF needs a player that plays under structure AND can create when they have too. When players get hurt he elevates the talent around him, he's not dependent upon it.

End of the day it would be one of the biggest reaches in league history...it would be a very arrogant pick by Kyle. I'll root for Mac all the same, but I will have no issue calling a spade a spade and I think fans overall will be pretty pissed off...and rightfully so.

We're beating a dead horse with our common sense. People are dug in now. 9 days left boys.

WZ better have an extra support server. 9 days until this place crashes.

The angry draft thread is going to have a lot of posts on the 29th.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
If our head coach was Erickson, Nolan, Singletary, Tomsula, Harbaugh, or Kelly, I'd be with you and put my money on a quarterback to save the day. If our head coach was Walsh, or Mike Shanahan, or Kyle Shanahan, I'd put my money on them to find a way.

I mean outside of Young/Elway Mike hasn't had a s**t ton of amazing QBs Those are the only two that got any Shanahan the trophy and they're high end HOF talents.

Here's a breakdown of "Kyle's QBs"


why would he want another system guy only prospect? We've seen how this goes already.

and I feel the same way on this comment below...

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I would have rather not drafting a QB this yr and rolled with Jimmy then take Jones...let alone give up 3 1sts and a 3rd s**t I would have taken Darnold for a 2022 2nd/4th over Jones.

In no world is he the 3rd overall player in this draft, let alone with 3 1sts and a 3rd. f**king dumb

It is two 1sts and a 3rd to be accurate, but your point is still valid.

I'll just add that the 3rd (i believe ) is a compensatory pick for the Saleh hire, and in my mind isn't part of the regular 7 draft picks. So in my view its two low first round picks if (big if) it turns out we have a younger more healthy Jimmy 2.0 that's a bit more mobile and has a bit better arm/mind/accuracy. (And I don't think Jimmy is a bad QB at all) in my eyes. Jones = Fields, I'd be ecstatic with either one.

Originally posted by English:
It's kind of disappointing that people are discussing Shanahan getting sacked as a result of drafting Jones. There is no one anywhere who has a 100% record in such things. If that is who we take, it would only be fair to give the guy a fair chance. You people don't think Shanahan, Lynch, Peters and the rest of them haven't put in way more study, discussion and consideration than you? So, when your spleen calms a little, regardless of who we took, how about giving him a shot instead of getting butt-hurt and emotional because they didn't pick your guy?

OR how about you stop kissing their butts and realize they might have f**ked up? go look at Kyle's past QBs and tell me how much success he's truly had with system only dudes?

You're basically banking on Jones being Brady moving up for him and giving all that up, don't tell me that's not a MASSIVE gamble...Kirk wouldn't be good enough. Hell even Ryan wasn't good enough. IF all Kyle thinks he needs is a system QB only then yeah there's a good chance he will not be the HC long enough to ever use our next 1st rd pick. He's got 3 10+ loss seasons in 4 yrs using system QBs....I love Kyle as a HC/play-caller, as an overall evaluator there's some question marks.