Mac Jones-QB-49ers

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
It is two 1sts and a 3rd to be accurate, but your point is still valid.

No, it's 3 firsts & a 3rd used to draft Mac jones

Originally posted by Giedi:
I'll just add that the 3rd (i believe ) is a compensatory pick for the Saleh hire, and in my mind isn't part of the regular 7 draft picks. So in my view its two low first round picks if (big if) it turns out we have a younger more healthy Jimmy 2.0 that's a bit more mobile and has a bit better arm/mind/accuracy. (And I don't think Jimmy is a bad QB at all) in my eyes. Jones = Fields, I'd be ecstatic with either one.

It's still a pick regardless of how it came about...it's a rookie contract and right around a top 100 pick that you're giving away.

How people keep saying it's only 2 1sts is just dumb too. IF we were just drafting someone at 12, you're using the 12th overall pick in the 2021 draft to get that person. That IS a pick. So now we're using the 3rd overall pick to get a QB plus 3 more future picks.

We have no idea how healthy Jones will be...he couldn't even play in the Senior bowl because of an ankle. He's got 17 starts behind the best OL (by far) in the country. Kid never dealt with a ton of stress back there. He never had to play from behind much. It was all ahead of the chains and just walking out there with more talent top to bottom across the roster and coaching staff.

In no world is Jones equal to Fields. simply not true.

I will say I'm happy you're cool with whomever, I will not be. not at QB.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
His value is that Shanahan knows he will be able to trust him, as he makes almost no wtf mental plays, and consistently goes to the optimum guy. That will allow Kyle to run his offense, which he can not do with Jimmy, and it's not more than a low percentage gamble he would be able to with Fields or Lance, and That's a high priced bet.

When your first read is wide open 90% of the time and the optimum guy is your first read most of the time, of course you won't have many wtf plays.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
His value is that Shanahan knows he will be able to trust him, as he makes almost no wtf mental plays. That will allow Kyle to run his offense, which he can not do with Jimmy, and it's not more than a low percentage gamble he would be able to with Fields or Lance, and That's a high priced bet.

So he wants a system QB that can't create s**t when s**t will have to be created at some point? You do NOT spent yrs of 1st rd picks for a system QB. You can find that s**t in every single draft. You spend up for elite traits and someone that can be a top 5 player at the position. Not Kirk Cousins. You can win games with guys like that...but you need everything to go smoothly in structure all yr. You think SF is gonna have every player healthy all yr? You think every player is gonna execute every play correctly? You don't think defenses are gonna win reps?

Go spend $10M on Andy Dalton if all you're looking for is someone to run your offense in structure. You spend a 2nd rd pick (like Jimmy) for system guys that don't have high end traits. You're basically giving up yrs of top capital for avg....It would be one of the biggest reaches in NFL draft history. It would be one of the most arrogant picks in draft history...basically Kyle telling the NFL my scheme will beat every team every week no matter what. Which is seemly false especially when you're in the playoffs.

ALSO there is absolutely no reason as to why Fields can not run his offense...none.

C'mon, it's the NFL, nothing ever breaks down or goes away from a plan. My gut feeling says NFL defenses are going to eat him up. All those throwing options, time, and windows are not going to be the same. Gotta be able to create when s**t goes south.

Do you? I keep hearing that as a justification for a more mobile QB but the numbers don't back that up at all. Those who we perceive to have the most success off schedule also have the most negative plays too. And the total number of off schedule plays is so minimal at the NFL level @ < 10% (probably closer to 5% actually).

Odds have shifted slightly this morning. It's now Fields and Jones as co-leaders with Lance falling off.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Do you? I keep hearing that as a justification for a more mobile QB but the numbers don't back that up at all. Those who we perceive to have the most success off schedule also have the most negative plays too. And the total number of off schedule plays is so minimal at the NFL level @ < 10% (probably closer to 5% actually).

You want Jones over Fields or Lance?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Do you? I keep hearing that as a justification for a more mobile QB but the numbers don't back that up at all. Those who we perceive to have the most success off schedule also have the most negative plays too. And the total number of off schedule plays is so minimal at the NFL level @ < 10% (probably closer to 5% actually).

You want Jones over Fields or Lance?

I'm just telling you that Kyle/Mike might be old school that way. If a play doesn't work, throw it away or check down and live another down. Even if that play didn't work, it could still be effective in the chess match next time.

I don't put Fields and Lance together. They couldn't be more different.

I'm genuinely excited for any of them honestly. Kyle is going to tailor make his playbook for each and all three are very different.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Do you? I keep hearing that as a justification for a more mobile QB but the numbers don't back that up at all. Those who we perceive to have the most success off schedule also have the most negative plays too. And the total number of off schedule plays is so minimal at the NFL level @ < 10% (probably closer to 5% actually).

You want Jones over Fields or Lance?

I'm just telling you that Kyle/Mike might be old school that way. If a play doesn't work, throw it away or check down and live another down. Even if that play didn't work, it could still be effective in the chess match next time.

I don't put Fields and Lance together. They couldn't be more different.

I'm genuinely excited for any of them honestly. Kyle is going to tailor make his playbook for each and all three are very different.

I dont get how you are excited for Jones. What do you envision with Jones vs the past 4 years?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I dont get how you are excited for Jones. What do you envision with Jones vs the past 4 years?

A wide open playbook for Kyle including outside the hash throws, intermediate success and definitely deep success. Like in college, he's going to maximize the talent around him with Aiyuk, Hurd, Deebo, Juice, Kittle and Mostert/Wilson in the passing game. He's going to hit them with proper timing (not leave them out to get killed) for optimal YAC. And if his college career is any indication, he's going to be fully prepared and get better and better the more he plays to the point Kyle will finally be able to fully trust his QB and let it rip.

If we draft Jones, then I am rooting for Jimmy to own this team and come out with guns blazing slamming the door shut with authority in Jones' face.

Originally posted by Joecool:
If we draft Jones, then I am rooting for Jimmy to own this team and come out with guns blazing slamming the door shut with authority in Jones' face.

Jimmy is going to have a great year, I bet.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I dont get how you are excited for Jones. What do you envision with Jones vs the past 4 years?

A wide open playbook for Kyle including outside the hash throws, intermediate success and definitely deep success. Like in college, he's going to maximize the talent around him with Aiyuk, Hurd, Deebo, Juice, Kittle and Mostert/Wilson in the passing game. He's going to hit them with proper timing (not leave them out to get killed) for optimal YAC. And if his college career is any indication, he's going to be fully prepared and getting better and better the more he plays to the point Kyle will finally be able to fully trust his QB and let it rip.

This is easy to do when the talent he is throwing to and protecting him faaaar surpasses the talent defending them. We don't have the best WRs in the league. Top defenders will easily deflect a lot of the types of balls Jones threw in college and top NFL defenders will intercept a lot of the tight window balls Jones threw in college.

It's simple, there's not a throw Jones can make that Jimmy can't make and Jimmy probably has the quicker release. The only consistent flaw I have seen with Jimmy is that he lacks experience. Dude has one of the higher winning percentages in the NFL.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Joecool:
If we draft Jones, then I am rooting for Jimmy to own this team and come out with guns blazing slamming the door shut with authority in Jones' face.

Jimmy is going to have a great year, I bet.

When he has played, he has had nothing but great years.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I dont get how you are excited for Jones. What do you envision with Jones vs the past 4 years?

A wide open playbook for Kyle including outside the hash throws, intermediate success and definitely deep success. Like in college, he's going to maximize the talent around him with Aiyuk, Hurd, Deebo, Juice, Kittle and Mostert/Wilson in the passing game. He's going to hit them with proper timing (not leave them out to get killed) for optimal YAC. And if his college career is any indication, he's going to be fully prepared and get better and better the more he plays to the point Kyle will finally be able to fully trust his QB and let it rip.

I want what your smoking!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Do you? I keep hearing that as a justification for a more mobile QB but the numbers don't back that up at all. Those who we perceive to have the most success off schedule also have the most negative plays too. And the total number of off schedule plays is so minimal at the NFL level @ < 10% (probably closer to 5% actually).

Ok?? Many NFL games come down to a play or two. I want a guy who can make those one or two plays