Mac Jones-QB-49ers

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by ltrain:
My only question about taking Jones is determining how good he really is considering he had a heisman candidate at WR and the same at RB. Having both of them creates extreme mismatches for any college team to try and cover both the run and pass on any given play.

Still have to make the throw. Still have to maneuver in the pocket. Yes the numbers are certainly aided by great talent around him and it helps with looks and what defenses someone faces but you can still evaluate a guy.

Love Jones between the ears.

Jones does get the benefit of having great pass-protection, something I'm told in here that we are awful at...I would say they will have to overhaul the OL much more with him vs a different QB prospect.

Jones does get the benefit of literally have elite talent at every position group lol. Just the truth of it. He SHOULD be doing what he's doing right now.

If Shanny views him as the future franchise QB, I'm on board...I do think there's a limited ceiling and it should be acknowledge.

Depends on the prospect you're talking about IMO.

I think I've seen you comment about how QB play can help the OL and I agree with that. Tom Brady - far from Mr. Mobile has made a HOF career of movement within the pocket and avoiding and infuriating pass rushers who simply can't get to him fast enough due to his movement in the pocket, his feeling of pressure, his ability to know where he wants to go with the ball quickly and get it out quickly.

If Jones can do anything like that then our OL will not need a mega overhaul...though regardless of who we bring in getting better inside is a must. Hard to step up in the pocket if DLmen are blowing up your C/G.

Just started tracking QB prospects and I think Mac Jones is a good fit and a realistic target based on our draft position.

Does he have average arm strength or is it slightly above average?

Knowing Shanahan and Lynch, they will pass on a QB. I predict Belichek selects his new QB Jones with the 15th pick.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Just started tracking QB prospects and I think Mac Jones is a good fit and a realistic target based on our draft position.

Does he have average arm strength or is it slightly above average?

From what I've seen he's not a cannon arm but his arm is significantly better than any QB on our roster. He'd be an upgrade over Jimmy once he's ready, based on my analysis. Now he's not a generational talent but we don't necessarily need that. Just a guy that can execute everything Kyle wants to do.

Originally posted by genus49:
Depends on the prospect you're talking about IMO.

I think I've seen you comment about how QB play can help the OL and I agree with that. Tom Brady - far from Mr. Mobile has made a HOF career of movement within the pocket and avoiding and infuriating pass rushers who simply can't get to him fast enough due to his movement in the pocket, his feeling of pressure, his ability to know where he wants to go with the ball quickly and get it out quickly.

If Jones can do anything like that then our OL will not need a mega overhaul...though regardless of who we bring in getting better inside is a must. Hard to step up in the pocket if DLmen are blowing up your C/G.

I'm talking about Jones...he's working with this right now.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Knowing Shanahan and Lynch, they will pass on a QB. I predict Belichek selects his new QB Jones with the 15th pick.

you know Shanahan and Lynch

It would be just like Bama with guys running around wide open.


Mac ain't missing these layups

Originally posted by Heroism:
It would be just like Bama with guys running around wide open.

This is having CJ as QB, clean pocket and kittle wide open, and CJ never saw him... pic.twitter.com/Z1D07rb5pq

— lyle (@lyle_rodr) January 4, 2021

Mac ain't missing these layups

Touchdown Alabama!

Mac Jones to Jahleel Billingsley for a 12-yd score. pic.twitter.com/FdIUexDSPH

— Alabama Crimson Tide | AL.com (@aldotcomTide) January 1, 2021

This!

The plays are there to be made. Mac would be feasting with Shanny calling the plays

Originally posted by krizay:

Was that question asked of Joe Burrow last year? Tua?

Was it asked of Trevor Lawrence his 1st 2 seasons? What about Fields?

Those guys have stronger arms so that makes them more legit and their supporting cast doesn't matter?

Trey Lance is playing on his divisions version of Alabama and that too gets overlooked.

Supporting cast absolutely matters when evaluating a QBs ability to make contested throws and tight window throws that require them to drive the ball. It matters more for prospects who have concerns about arm strength

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Depends on the prospect you're talking about IMO.

I think I've seen you comment about how QB play can help the OL and I agree with that. Tom Brady - far from Mr. Mobile has made a HOF career of movement within the pocket and avoiding and infuriating pass rushers who simply can't get to him fast enough due to his movement in the pocket, his feeling of pressure, his ability to know where he wants to go with the ball quickly and get it out quickly.

If Jones can do anything like that then our OL will not need a mega overhaul...though regardless of who we bring in getting better inside is a must. Hard to step up in the pocket if DLmen are blowing up your C/G.

I'm talking about Jones...he's working with this right now.

The best OL unit in the nation and winner of the Joe Moore Award goes to ⁦@AlabamaFTBL⁩ pic.twitter.com/LT749oLYcf

— Lance Zierlein (@LanceZierlein) January 4, 2021

You said they'd have to overhaul the OL more with him than another QB prospect...I dunno about that.

Mobile QBs give you plays where they can buy time despite bad protection or escape a rush but they also run into sacks and some hold the ball longer thinking they can escape.

Jones has a very good OL right now but we've seen protection issues where he doesn't get rattled. Obviously I fully understand it's easier to remain calm when you're only facing pressure a fraction of the time versus most of the time but still...

Non mobile QBs who work the pocket well and feel the pressure can work with poor OL play better than some mobile guys.

This is how you should watch Mac Jones film: imagine that it isn't Jones on the field, it's CJ Beathard. Would anything make you say, of course that isn't CJ? In a lot of ways, they are similar.

I think CJ has a slightly better arm and is a little better athlete, but Mac Jones beats him in pocket presence and accuracy.

Far easier to tell apart Garoppolo, who has obviously better release and zip.

I think the best trait of Mac Jones is his beautiful deep ball, something 49ers have been sorely lacking. He has a ton on film, multiple per game. Beathard is best 49ers have but Jones is far better. Would be a welcome change just for that. Of course, Jones has all-star WR's getting open, but he still hits them in stride with rainbow passes.

To me it is at least clear Jones would beat out CJ. Worth a 1st, maybe trading down? Who knows.

Originally posted by delphs:
This is how you should watch Mac Jones film: imagine that it isn't Jones on the field, it's CJ Beathard. Would anything make you say, of course that isn't CJ? In a lot of ways, they are similar.

I think CJ has a slightly better arm and is a little better athlete, but Mac Jones beats him in pocket presence and accuracy.

Far easier to tell apart Garoppolo, who has obviously better release and zip.

I think the best trait of Mac Jones is his beautiful deep ball, something 49ers have been sorely lacking. He has a ton on film, multiple per game. Beathard is best 49ers have but Jones is far better. Would be a welcome change just for that. Of course, Jones has all-star WR's getting open, but he still hits them in stride with rainbow passes.

To me it is at least clear Jones would beat out CJ. Worth a 1st, maybe trading down? Who knows.

When you watch CJ play, you can see what Kyle was hoping him to become. He's got a good arm, decent athleticism and is built for play action. Unfortunately he is sorely lacking in his reads and accuracy. If CJ had Mullens' ability to make his reads, with the good version of Jimmy's ball placement you would have a pro bowl player. Based on what I've seen from Mac, he could be that guy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Knowing Shanahan and Lynch, they will pass on a QB. I predict Belichek selects his new QB Jones with the 15th pick.

you know Shanahan and Lynch

you don't

Originally posted by genus49:

You said they'd have to overhaul the OL more with him than another QB prospect...I dunno about that.

Mobile QBs give you plays where they can buy time despite bad protection or escape a rush but they also run into sacks and some hold the ball longer thinking they can escape.

Jones has a very good OL right now but we've seen protection issues where he doesn't get rattled. Obviously I fully understand it's easier to remain calm when you're only facing pressure a fraction of the time versus most of the time but still...

Non mobile QBs who work the pocket well and feel the pressure can work with poor OL play better than some mobile guys.

Huh? When there's no pocket it doesn't matter lol. If he's not athletic enough to get out of a collapsing pocket it doesn't matter....Jones is working with the best OL in the country, best receivers in the country, best RB in the country, they use max protection a s**t ton (because their receivers are great) play calling is on a different level then other teams.

Like I said he's super heady, feels pressure well, makes good reads etc...when those windows get smaller and the talent level is on a more level playing ground, what then? That OL is gonna have to straight up PP better end of the day for a player like Jones.

Originally posted by delphs:

This is how you should watch Mac Jones film: imagine that it isn't Jones on the field, it's CJ Beathard. Would anything make you say, of course that isn't CJ? In a lot of ways, they are similar.

I think CJ has a slightly better arm and is a little better athlete, but Mac Jones beats him in pocket presence and accuracy.

Far easier to tell apart Garoppolo, who has obviously better release and zip.

I think the best trait of Mac Jones is his beautiful deep ball, something 49ers have been sorely lacking. He has a ton on film, multiple per game. Beathard is best 49ers have but Jones is far better. Would be a welcome change just for that. Of course, Jones has all-star WR's getting open, but he still hits them in stride with rainbow passes.

To me it is at least clear Jones would beat out CJ. Worth a 1st, maybe trading down? Who knows.

Mac Jones is on a different planet in regards to accuracy, feeling pressure, understanding his reads and reading a defense, internal clock inside the pocket etc. I'd say CJ has a stronger arm and is more mobile. Both are tough. CJ is probably better off of play-action (have to watch more of Jones).

Jones is better.