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"3rd and Jauan" Jennings l WR Tennessee, signs with Vikings

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Joecool:
He's only 212 pounds. Look at us gushing over a guy who's really not big enough to monster NFL DBs. Hurd is league's beyond Jennings in the physicality/athleticism department.

And we were skeptical about DK Metcalf but gush over this dude as if he's a TE in a WR body. Dude is small for a "big" NFL receiver.

And he's not fast.

Would you consider Michael Thomas a "big" WR? They're the same size. He's bigger than Hopkins as well. Julio was 5lbs bigger coming out of Bama (same height). Mockdraftable has Jennings at 215lbs.

As far as size/weight for the position he's in the 80th percentile.

No one was skeptical of DK from a measurable standpoint lol. There was question marks on if he could run a full route-tree.

I don't see Thomas and Julio running through NFL tackles. Running through DBs is Juan's emmo. He can't do that in the NFL. It's not how big they are, it's how they play and if that is sustainable at the next level.
[ Edited by Joecool on Aug 25, 2020 at 9:21 AM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Key is, can he catch? To be a receiver, you have to receive. Bobbling won't cut it in the NFL.

Had some decent hands here (yes it's a highlight video lol)


FWIW he had 4 drops last yr...for reference Aiyuk had 6, lamb had 3, Jeudy had 7.
Thanks. Actually, his hands looked better than decent in the highlights. We might make use of that Vol OL as well...
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Key is, can he catch? To be a receiver, you have to receive. Bobbling won't cut it in the NFL.

Had some decent hands here (yes it's a highlight video lol)


FWIW he had 4 drops last yr...for reference Aiyuk had 6, lamb had 3, Jeudy had 7.
that's why it's called HIGHLIGHTS... HIGH is the key word..

we should give credit to were credit is due, and that's who put Tripple Jays highlights TOGETHER..
[ Edited by 9moon on Aug 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't see Thomas and Julio running through NFL tackles. Running through DBs is Juan's emmo. He can't do that in the NFL. It's not how big they are, it's how they play and if that is sustainable at the next level.

Dude you were the one bringing up size lol. He's in the 80th percentile among WRs regarding size. He's not small.

He'll be used in a similar fashion to how Q and Sanu have been used...big slot possession WR that's hard to tackle.

He's a 7th rd prospect and I'm not expecting him to be some superstar WR. He should have a role though.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't see Thomas and Julio running through NFL tackles. Running through DBs is Juan's emmo. He can't do that in the NFL. It's not how big they are, it's how they play and if that is sustainable at the next level.

Dude you were the one bringing up size lol. He's in the 80th percentile among WRs regarding size. He's not small.

He'll be used in a similar fashion to how Q and Sanu have been used...big slot possession WR that's hard to tackle.

He's a 7th rd prospect and I'm not expecting him to be some superstar WR. He should have a role though.

He's being pumped up as if he's going to recreate those highlights in the NFL. He's not. Physical play was his college strength. Okay, that's fine, but if he can't get AS physical as he did in college, then he better have decent speed. Sanu ran a 4.4 when he was drafted. Need to stop making these comparisons because Jauan is lacking a lot of what these other proven receivers have.

I just don't see it working other than maybe twice a game to gain a couple of yards. LB's have no problem tackling 220lb WRs.
[ Edited by Joecool on Aug 25, 2020 at 10:12 AM ]
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't see Thomas and Julio running through NFL tackles. Running through DBs is Juan's emmo. He can't do that in the NFL. It's not how big they are, it's how they play and if that is sustainable at the next level.

Dude you were the one bringing up size lol. He's in the 80th percentile among WRs regarding size. He's not small.

He'll be used in a similar fashion to how Q and Sanu have been used...big slot possession WR that's hard to tackle.

He's a 7th rd prospect and I'm not expecting him to be some superstar WR. He should have a role though.

He's being pumped up as if he's going to recreate those highlights in the NFL. He's not. Physical play was his college strength. Okay, that's fine, but if he can't get AS physical as he did in college, then he better have decent speed. Sanu ran a 4.4 when he was drafted. Need to stop making these comparisons because Jauan is lacking a lot of what these other proven receivers have.

I just don't see it working other than maybe twice a game to gain a couple of yards.

IF he makes the team, then he's already ahead of Jalen HURT
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't see Thomas and Julio running through NFL tackles. Running through DBs is Juan's emmo. He can't do that in the NFL. It's not how big they are, it's how they play and if that is sustainable at the next level.

Dude you were the one bringing up size lol. He's in the 80th percentile among WRs regarding size. He's not small.

He'll be used in a similar fashion to how Q and Sanu have been used...big slot possession WR that's hard to tackle.

He's a 7th rd prospect and I'm not expecting him to be some superstar WR. He should have a role though.

He's being pumped up as if he's going to recreate those highlights in the NFL. He's not. Physical play was his college strength. Okay, that's fine, but if he can't get AS physical as he did in college, then he better have decent speed. Sanu ran a 4.4 when he was drafted. Need to stop making these comparisons because Jauan is lacking a lot of what these other proven receivers have.

I just don't see it working other than maybe twice a game to gain a couple of yards.

IF he makes the team, then he's already ahead of Jalen HURT

Jalen made the team though.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I know you have a thing about speed, but things have changed a little in the NFL

If you're big and slow it limits what you can do...I'm also not talking about 40time speed, I'm talking about just being quick in and out of routes off the LOS etc.

So yeah you don't have to be a 4.3 guy. You can't be a "slow" WR either. I don't care how badass you are you're not gonna make every catch if they're always contested.

Jennings imo will make for a good big slot, possession WR and in the RZ. Can't hate that for a 7th rd pick (who will play STs as well).

I agree with that. You can't be slow footed. Quickness is important when negotiating traffic in the middle. I think that's why most of the great receivers are in the 4.45-4.55 range. They're fast enough to get separation but not so fast that they can't run a good tight pattern. They always said that Rice was faster with a ball in his hands. The great ones keep a little speed in reserve.
Originally posted by Joecool:
He's being pumped up as if he's going to recreate those highlights in the NFL. He's not. Physical play was his college strength. Okay, that's fine, but if he can't get AS physical as he did in college, then he better have decent speed. Sanu ran a 4.4 when he was drafted. Need to stop making these comparisons because Jauan is lacking a lot of what these other proven receivers have.

I just don't see it working other than maybe twice a game to gain a couple of yards. LB's have no problem tackling 220lb WRs.

Frist off Mohamed Sanu ran a 4.67 I have no idea where you're getting 4.4 it's a perfectly solid comp IMO.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/mohamed-sanu

YOU said he wasn't a big WR, I then asked if you thought Sanu/Nuk/Thomas were considered "big"? The reason Thomas dropped in the draft is because he ran a 4.57. He is not fast either.

I'm also not comping him to Nuk/Thomas skill wise (that's silly)...I'm just showing you he's just as big (if not bigger) then those guys. They also most certainly don't rely on straight line speed either...Nuk/Thomas are a contested catch machines. Same s**t with Keenan Allen (ran a 4.7) he relies on route-running and contested catches in the slot. Jennings from what I've seen and read is he's a pretty damn good route-runner out of the slot.

So LBers are gonna lineup vs him in the slot? I sure hope so because that creates a miss match elsewhere. I'll feed Kittle or run the ball in that situation. He will have nickel DBs more than likely across from him.

He should have a role on this team IMO. A big one? that's is to TBD
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Aug 25, 2020 at 12:53 PM ]
Bringing up Jerry Rice's 40 time is so dumb. People do realize his times were taken during an era in which electronic timing did not exist? A time in which players did not spend months with speed coaches refining the mechanics of the 40-yard dash. A time when old farts with dinosaur reflexes used hand timers to "time" athletes.

If you think Jerry Rice would be a 4.7 athlete today, you're dumb. Period. This applies to all these before the 2000's. Stop referencing those times.
[ Edited by Heroism on Aug 25, 2020 at 10:53 AM ]
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by wailers15:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Key is, can he catch? To be a receiver, you have to receive. Bobbling won't cut it in the NFL.

No he cannot catch .. so far that's the word out of camp

Really? That's not what I've been hearing. You got a link?

Don't need a link. Just watching the training camp highlight vids... I notice a lot of drops or is it fantastic D.
Look I'm just being real... not going to hold my breath here on this cat. I hope he does well but given the depth I just don't see him making much of an impact
Originally posted by Heroism:
Bringing up Jerry Rice's 40 time is so dumb. People do realize his times were taken during an era in which electronic timing did not exist? A time in which players did not spend months with speed coaches refining the mechanics of the 40-yard dash. A time when old farts with dinosaur reflexes used hand timers to "time" athletes.

If you think Jerry Rice would be a 4.7 athlete today, you're dumb. Period. This applies to all these before the 2000's. Stop referencing those times.

Isn't the rumor he actually ran a 4.3 with pads and was nursing a bad leg at his combine or whatever back then? hehehe

With Hurd out the year again i think this kid may make it.
Originally posted by Joecool:
He's being pumped up as if he's going to recreate those highlights in the NFL. He's not. Physical play was his college strength. Okay, that's fine, but if he can't get AS physical as he did in college, then he better have decent speed. Sanu ran a 4.4 when he was drafted. Need to stop making these comparisons because Jauan is lacking a lot of what these other proven receivers have.

I just don't see it working other than maybe twice a game to gain a couple of yards. LB's have no problem tackling 220lb WRs.

I possibly re-started this hype with my insanely long post, and while I said it was admittedly biased, I re-read it and it was maybe a bit too positive? So here's possibly a more balanced, albeit rambling post. First off, I don't expect him to break all those tackles in the league. Hell I don't expect him to even start, or possibly even get much PT at all especially early on. But if I had to bet $$, I'd count on him making the team and contributing somehow, and while I don't follow the league like I do college, I'd call that a win for a 7th round draft pick if it happens. Jennings to me seems like a guy that's gonna help your team. He's not going to drag linebackers and DBs around like he did in college, but I think he'll provide value by his special teams play, his blocking as a WR, his infectious attitude, and the ability to give you some decent WR play. Unfortunately for Jauan, the last one is probably the most important for him to make the roster, and probably where he's the weakest. To those that asked can he catch, will he bobble in the pros, you're absolutely right....that is where he will make the team or get cut.

Again I'll add, if he's not getting hit in practice (and thus other guys aren't getting hit), he's not going to shine as much as other guys. One of his strengths is the ability to catch and absorb contact and that won't show up at all in non/limited contact practices. Speedsters will look better, Jauan will not look as good, until full hits and tackles start happening, so it's probably wise to view any practice reports with that context.

Those highlight films obviously won't be replicated in the pros. But that was my point about 3d down possession usage and his leading the nation in broken tackles. Of course he can't/won't do any of that in the NFL and he has a lot of physical limitations, which is probably a huge reason he fell all the way to the 7th. But I say again, you can't do any of that, even in college, without having some sort of above average skill level, all of his negatives notwithstanding. Expectations should be greatly tempered for folks expecting him to look anything like those highlights in the pros, and comparisons to Fitzgerald and the like are just likely setting everyone up for disappointment. But if he just makes the team and gives you some valuable play, isn't that a win for a 7th rounder? Not following the NFL much like I said, how often do 7th round picks even make their team...I genuinely don't know?

I saw someone mention how much more athletic and physical Jalen Hurd is than Jennings. That argument is a microcosm of the difference between the two players. Hurd is absolutely more talented and skilled. On their best days, it's no contest and why they were both drafted where they each were. Physicality though.....pfffffft. Jennings will be at the next practice, while Hurd will not. I know the ACL tear was a fluke, and it could happen to Jauan today, but that's not a surprise to any Volunteer fan. All the measurables and times and hand size in the world don't do any good if you can't do the same with the pads on. That is where Jennings' hidden value lies I think, and where you should all hope he can replicate it somewhat in the NFL and if so, you'll have outfoxed all the other teams with a somewhat sleeper pick late. And I say again, if not, it's probably no huge loss for Niner fans....he's a 7th rounder, right?!

I'll leave with one more thought on Jennings. Despite all the positives I talked about from him, can he consistently catch the football? He didn't have a ton of drops last year, but he did bobble more wide open passes than he should have and many of those will = a TO (or punt at best) in the NFL while it just turned into an offensive highlight in college. It's like having a QB that can wow you 75% of the time, but 25% of the time he misses a wide open target. Has insane highlights in college, but that QB won't stand a chance in the NFL, despite having all the arm strength in the world. You can't miss wide up receivers in the pros. This is where I see Jauan making or missing his calling as a pro. Behavior, slowness, lack of size, etc. I'd tend to discount most if not all of that, he can still possibly contribute quite a bit in spite of these flaws based on all the positives I and others have offered up. But can he consistently make clean catches? If not, all of his positives likely won't cut it. If he CAN do that though, then I think you guys found a bit of a gem in the 7th round.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
He's a 7th rd prospect and I'm not expecting him to be some superstar WR. He should have a role though.

If I could sum up my 69,000 word diatribe on Jennings, this would pretty much be spot on.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Bringing up Jerry Rice's 40 time is so dumb. People do realize his times were taken during an era in which electronic timing did not exist? A time in which players did not spend months with speed coaches refining the mechanics of the 40-yard dash. A time when old farts with dinosaur reflexes used hand timers to "time" athletes.

If you think Jerry Rice would be a 4.7 athlete today, you're dumb. Period. This applies to all these before the 2000's. Stop referencing those times.

That's true but hand times could be faster or slower. That's why they went to electronic timing because they would get such a disparity between stop watches. Someone pointed out that even today times can vary from one run to the other. Sometimes you can see a guy run 4.5 and then run 4.45 or 4.58. It really depends on the start which can change a 40 time by half a second. This is all really crazy since as you pointed out, they train for the combine and even drop weight to get better times. The speed often doesn't carry over to the actual playing field. You often hear that a player doesn't play like a 4.35 guy and you also hear that a guy that ran 4.6 plays much faster. The games are all that really count.
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