Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:

He'll be just another really good 3T on the free agent market after 4 years. Dime a dozen.

Who are all the really good interior linemen that hit FA?

Aaron Donald, Fletcher Cox, Geno Atkins, Grady Jarrett....when teams have guys that are legit monsters and difference makers, they tend to lock them up.

Quality IDL are always available... literally...dime a dozen. Snacks can't even get a job after signing a huge previous contract in 2016 at nearly $10M APY. It's a passing league. They are becoming the FB's of defense. "Greedy!"

We'll see if this physical freak gets to that Donald and Jarrett level. If he gets near that Buckner level, it'll be worth it.

Otherwise, could have just bought a cheap IDL to fill the hole between Jones, AA and Bosa/Ford and spent that resource on other team needs.

Wow I get that your still bitter we passed on Wirfs but finding a quality 3tech that can rush passer was not going to be that easy.

Haha

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

eh, I think you are extending the point a bit far. Suh was unstoppable in his early years. He is only average now but that is due to age. The shelf life of IDs is shorter than the rest of the DL because of the high wear-and-tear inside. We didn't get rid of Buckner because he was no longer high quality. It was because he didn't fit in under the cap. I have no doubt Lynch would have given him the $21M if we had the money to spend. Kinlaw is like hitting the reset button on a young Buckner.

Right, just noting how many guys like this filter through FA over the last few years. They are so cheap now, you can buy a run stuffer and a 1 do se n interior pass rusher. Or use the run stuffers to help run stunts as well. It's just not a massive need anymore in a passing league unless you have a dominant interior pass rusher. Plus, so many ER's like Bosa, Blair, AA, etc. can rush inside as well.

So the real issue is whether or not one believe JK will become a dominant interior pass rusher.

From the film I have seen of him, the answer is "yes." The question is; will that college film translate into the NFL?

ERs can move inside but that very few can do it on the regular. AA is an exception, hence he gets paid. Bosa might. Blair is way overrated on this board, IMO. The reality is that an ER relies on speed and quickness but that does not translate well inside for more than a play or two.

Exactly. 100%. I don't distinguish ER from IDT if they both have dominant pass rush skills. This kid has that ability. So I'd take a guy like that at 2 just like Bosa for this W9 scheme (or in Lynch's case, Solomon Thomas at 3) if he was an excellent pass rushers inside.

If he does get to that level, we're rolling. If not, then you just could have rotated some veteran run stuffers/pass rusher who may not be in their primes anymore as 3 down players.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Wow I get that your still bitter we passed on Wirfs but finding a quality 3tech that can rush passer was not going to be that easy.

But it's not a huge need. It's a luxury. It's greedy and may not be a big difference in the effect on wins and losses at the end of the day from what we'd be without him.

You'd still have in nickel:
Ford - AA - Jones/Taylor/Blair - Bosa

Then in base:
AA - Snacks - Jones - Bosa

This guy is going to have to become a game wrecker like Donald/Jarrett/Jones to elevate this DL above the point of primarily run stuffers.

Then you could have used that draft capital for CB or IOL, two positions that'll cost you significantly more down the road.

It's not a luxury. It's a key component of the winning formula that this team uses.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

It's not a luxury. It's a key component of the winning formula that this team uses.

A winning component doesn't give up 1,800 yards and 4.5 yards a carry. And this guy is a big drop off in run defense. He's GOT to become a dominant force inside as a pass rusher and blow up the other side of the LOS. And it sounds like he's got a long ways to go in building on his pass rush moves. Bull rush, he's got down. Stack and shed. It's going to take some time.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

It's not a luxury. It's a key component of the winning formula that this team uses.

A winning component doesn't give up 1,800 yards and 4.5 yards a carry. And this guy is a big drop off in run defense. He's GOT to become a dominant force inside as a pass rusher and blow up the other side of the LOS. And it sounds like he's got a long ways to go in building on his pass rush moves. Bull rush, he's got down. Stack and shed. It's going to take some time.

Lol ok NC

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Like Kyle said you can scheme a good offense with the right players...you need top end talent to have a great defense.

For sure. My expectations will be the same for him if we had drafted Lamb, Wirfs, a CB or ER. He's got to dominate in the skills of today's game...pass rush, pass protection and pass defense.

His ceiling and traits are tremendous BUT to make this a valid pick is he effects the W-L category. And to do THAT, like Jones in the Superbowl, he's going to have to be a playmaker esp. in the pass rush department and living in the backfield blowing plays up. He can't just be another quality IDT. Those are a dime a dozen.

I can see why they were so attracted to him...esp. Kocurek.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Look at all the IDT pass rushers like Suh. Every year these dudes are cut, traded and FA's and they aren't expensive either. Teams are getting rid of those salaries like Buckner and spending elsewhere.

If Suh wasn't such a head case, he'd still be on the team that drafted him, or on the team that gave him his second contract. His poor attitude and reputation keep him from staying anywhere long, not his lack of ability.

I'd say his unwillingness to renegotiate was a big reason too. At the end of the day, Suh got his cash one way or the other, hes averaged about 15mil per/year over his career.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Look at all the IDT pass rushers like Suh. Every year these dudes are cut, traded and FA's and they aren't expensive either. Teams are getting rid of those salaries like Buckner and spending elsewhere.

If Suh wasn't such a head case, he'd still be on the team that drafted him, or on the team that gave him his second contract. His poor attitude and reputation keep him from staying anywhere long, not his lack of ability.

I give one "example" and you guys can't see past to the point.

Point: Every single year guys "like" Suh, Clowney, Buckner, Jackson, Reader, Hargrave, Pierre-Paul, Griffen, Harris, Reed, Collins, Phillips, Brockers, Suh, McCoy, Pierce, Wolfe, Bennett, Onyemata, Joseph, Jernigan, Snacks, etc. are available.

And that was JUST this off season.

Dime a dozen. Buy these cheap veterans and rotate. Save the top draft capital for players that are going to cost you a ton down the road like WR, CB, OL.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

It's not a luxury. It's a key component of the winning formula that this team uses.

A winning component doesn't give up 1,800 yards and 4.5 yards a carry. And this guy is a big drop off in run defense. He's GOT to become a dominant force inside as a pass rusher and blow up the other side of the LOS. And it sounds like he's got a long ways to go in building on his pass rush moves. Bull rush, he's got down. Stack and shed. It's going to take some time.

Lol ok NC

This defense line was still a top 5 unit even without Buckner. So to make up the difference in value, he's gotta become outstanding as an interior rusher to give us more than Buckner did at his cost --- and getting rid of Buckner's contract is further evidence to my point that IDL are a dime a dozen because teams allocate thier cap space elsewhere in a passing league era. Why spend big money at IDT?

Kinlaw is certainly a good prospect to have a great career. He has all the physical attributes and he is with a team that has talent all around him. The line coach and Bosa should be able to teach him some great technique. It's really up to him. If he applies himself and works hard he could be an all pro someday. If he sits back and tries to get by on physical skill alone he won't.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Kinlaw is certainly a good prospect to have a great career. He has all the physical attributes and he is with a team that has talent all around him. The line coach and Bosa should be able to teach him some great technique. It's really up to him. If he applies himself and works hard he could be an all pro someday. If he sits back and tries to get by on physical skill alone he won't.

You bring up an excellent point. I was talking about team building strategy but as to the player himself, could he step into a better situation? Amazing DL coach who's so passionate about him, he'll probably put in extra hours just to get the most out of him. Then the W9 attack-one-gap scheme. And finally, the players around him are going to force so many 1v1's, he's going to find immediate success and can develop properly over time with steady, high quality trainers (Bosa included). He's a lucky dude. We'll be lucky to have him...my bet.

Pretty different skill set.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Pretty different skill set.

ICYMI this week: Javon Kinlaw will bring much of what DeForest Buckner brought the 49ers — motor, speed, length — but he's also 30 pounds stronger: https://t.co/t8UHbGUTDG

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) May 16, 2020

So what?

He plays with the mobility of a linebacker.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

It's not a luxury. It's a key component of the winning formula that this team uses.

A winning component doesn't give up 1,800 yards and 4.5 yards a carry. And this guy is a big drop off in run defense. He's GOT to become a dominant force inside as a pass rusher and blow up the other side of the LOS. And it sounds like he's got a long ways to go in building on his pass rush moves. Bull rush, he's got down. Stack and shed. It's going to take some time.

Lol ok NC

Lol NC has been screaming about pass-pro and how that's all that matters...then he's talking about how we gave up 4.5 YPC, yet we killed teams in passing D with our DL being the root of that

Our defensive scheme overall is about stopping the pass more than the run, but let's not bring that up.

Lynch has stated that our DL is the foundation of the defense. That's not gonna change as long as him and kyle are here.