Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Soooo this whole Trey Lance situation continues to workout how I thought. They had no plan when the trade was made and it's obvious they have got themselves stuck with the JG situation.
The whole trading the figure for a qb on rookie contract doesn't work if you can't get rid of the other.

Also, as I've been saying, these players know that Trey is going to struggle. Deebo WILL NOT PLAY WITHOUT AN EXTENSION because he knows the offense is going to be awful when teams figure out that Trey cannot play from the pocket. The only way Deebo will get the consistently is handoffs and the defense will sit on that.
Deebo is going to have to be way overpaid to stay.

Btw it's hilarious to see NYNiner in here acting like he knows exactly what's going to happen. Same way he was in the JG trade value thread, same he said Lance would start early, Mac Jones couldn't play, etc. Have some humility till you get something right

It's hilarious to see you turn it into a Trey Lance issue. I know you love them but get off my nuts. Seriously it's weird.

I didn't say Lance would start early. I said depending how Jimmy plays I could see him taking over after the bye week. I said the best way to develop him was to play him, which is a totally different topic. I never said Mac couldn't play. I said his ceiling is lower compared to the other draft prospects. I didn't want to replace Jimmy with the same thing… Bravo he beat out a one armed Cam Newton and played avg football.

When you gonna realize no one in here thinks your special and you're not better than anyone else? No one thinks your football smart and you come off as arrogant…you haven't earned the right or the benefit of the doubt.

You talk down to everyone, somewhat personally. I only do that to people who have done that to me. Obviously, I'm no oracle, but I do know the game pretty well and most who see my posts, if they are being honest with themselves, can say, yeah he's an a hole and negative, but he's been pretty spot on regarding last years draft and about some of those predictions.

And yes, Max played above average qb, making the playoffs and pro bowl. Which is quite remarkable for a one year starter in college. Even if it was pretty much tied with the best season of all time with burrows junior year.

Maybe in your mind you think folks feel this way about your football acumen, but I can assure you that's not the case. Quite the opposite actually lol.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
I said from the moment they were drafted that Banks and Ssemon were not great prospects. Said it was an awful draft and the only picks I liked were Mitchell, Hufanga(special teams and instincts), and Moore. I said Mitchell was better than seemon and was chastised.
Harped on how awful it was that we didn't fill any of the few holes we had while the roster was primed for a super bowl run.
Told everybody just how far Lance had to go to become serviceable….while people in here were saying he's ready because he ran a pro style offense lol.

Ambry Thomas came on nicely last year.

Banks was drafted to replace Laken so proof will be in the pudding this year as to how good (or bad) he is.

Lance wasn't drafted to contribute year 1, whilst Mac Jones could have contributed year 1 I can't see how the 49ers would have gotten any further last year with Mac than they did with Jimmy.

People blaming Jimmy dont understand the cap. At least I've been told, deebos extension wouldn't have a huge impact on this year's cap. People just want to blame Jimmy.

Originally posted by KiwiM:
Ambry Thomas came on nicely last year.

Banks was drafted to replace Laken so proof will be in the pudding this year as to how good (or bad) he is.

Lance wasn't drafted to contribute year 1, whilst Mac Jones could have contributed year 1 I can't see how the 49ers would have gotten any further last year with Mac than they did with Jimmy.

One thing they could have done was ship Jimmy out immediately and handed the keys to Jones without blinking. Actually take advantage of that rookie deal right away.

It's a done deal now. I just don't understand how fans are ok with a strategy of drafting for the future (or luxury) when you're in the midst of a Super Bowl window, though I believe Shanahan and Lynch had every intention of playing Trey right away if he was capable. It was really questionable strategy, at best.

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:
I pretty sure that we can sign both, but hypothetically, if we could only keep either Deebo or Bosa, I'm curious who you guys think should get the contract? I love both but if we could only keep one of them, I'd sign Bosa.

Bosa not even close. But would love to extend both.

With Trey Lance now the starting QB, Aiyuk will be a bigger factor than Deebo. The limited time Trey played last year he threw more to Aiyuk than Deebo. Now they're both training together in the offseason, the chemistry is only going to get better. Watch for Aiyuk to breakout big time this coming season.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
One thing they could have done was ship Jimmy out immediately and handed the keys to Jones without blinking. Actually take advantage of that rookie deal right away.

It's a done deal now. I just don't understand how fans are ok with a strategy of drafting for the future (or luxury) when you're in the midst of a Super Bowl window, though I believe Shanahan and Lynch had every intention of playing Trey right away if he was capable. It was really questionable strategy, at best.

Because you won't have a very long SB window with Andy Dalton 2.0. The pressure to build an elite roster year in and year out to make up for the qbs deficiencies is a big ask.

if you develop an elite Qb your SB window is a decade. Pats will be lucky to even have a division title window the next decade.

WRs with nicknames are a MUST for Kyle's offense. With the Falcons, he had Quintorris Lopez "Julio" Jones.

Therefore Tyshun Raequan "Deebo" Samuel Sr. is a must pay, must keep at all costs player.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Because you won't have a very long SB window with Andy Dalton 2.0. The pressure to build an elite roster year in and year out to make up for the qbs deficiencies is a big ask.

if you develop an elite Qb your SB window is a decade. Pats will be lucky to even have a division title window the next decade.

I don't have the time to argue everything I have a problem with in this post. From your Jones-Dalton comparison, to what you're implying makes up an elite QB, the Pats future, and probably from the looks of it the overvaluing of a QB's importance in winning and losing.

I'll just say they didn't have to draft a QB at all. With the amount of draft capital they spent on Trey Lance they could have landed an established, elite, QB, or other player(s). We were not very far from getting the precious last year and we have the same exact questions going into year 2. You might feel you can't consistently compete without an elite QB, but you definitely can't win with dysfunction at the position. Boom or bust...

https://youtu.be/GKZJdaiJF84

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
You talk down to everyone, somewhat personally. I only do that to people who have done that to me. Obviously, I'm no oracle, but I do know the game pretty well and most who see my posts, if they are being honest with themselves, can say, yeah he's an a hole and negative, but he's been pretty spot on regarding last years draft and about some of those predictions.

And yes, Max played above average qb, making the playoffs and pro bowl. Which is quite remarkable for a one year starter in college. Even if it was pretty much tied with the best season of all time with burrows junior year.

What have you really said aside from "hey,...all of the Alabama players are top notch and great choices. And oh yea I'm an Alabama fan."....?

I may have missed it but you can share.

I said from the moment they were drafted that Banks and Ssemon were not great prospects. Said it was an awful draft and the only picks I liked were Mitchell, Hufanga(special teams and instincts), and Moore. I said Mitchell was better than seemon and was chastised.
Harped on how awful it was that we didn't fill any of the few holes we had while the roster was primed for a super bowl run.
Told everybody just how far Lance had to go to become serviceable….while people in here were saying he's ready because he ran a pro style offense lol.

You are so full of yourself, pics of proof or I call BS, especially when next to NOBODY said Lance was ready. Easy to say "I said this, I said that" prove it.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I don't have the time to argue everything I have a problem with in this post. From your Jones-Dalton comparison, to what you're implying makes up an elite QB, the Pats future, and probably from the looks of it the overvaluing of a QB's importance in winning and losing.

I'll just say they didn't have to draft a QB at all. With the amount of draft capital they spent on Trey Lance they could have landed an established, elite, QB, or other player(s). We were not very far from getting the precious last year and we have the same exact questions going into year 2. You might feel you can't consistently compete without an elite QB, but you definitely can't win with dysfunction at the position. Boom or bust...

https://youtu.be/GKZJdaiJF84

Well of course you can't win with dysfunction. But how exactly would the 9ers get an elite QB? Tampa wasn't gonna trade Tom. Green Bay and Seattle aren't trading us their guys. Rams had their trade done before the 9ers even knew he was available. Don't know yet if Trey was right or wrong but taking a shot rather then settling for meh is the right move. I preferred Fields personally but I trust Kyle.

if you think the Pats will compete for SBs over the next 5 years with MAYBE the 8th best qb in the conference then you are the one undervaluing it.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Well of course you can't win with dysfunction. But how exactly would the 9ers get an elite QB? Tampa wasn't gonna trade Tom. Green Bay and Seattle aren't trading us their guys. Rams had their trade done before the 9ers even knew he was available. Don't know yet if Trey was right or wrong but taking a shot rather then settling for meh is the right move. I preferred Fields personally but I trust Kyle.

if you think the Pats will compete for SBs over the next 5 years with MAYBE the 8th best qb in the conference then you are the one undervaluing it.

Well, as I alluded to in my last post, I think we probably have a fundamental disagreement on what makes up an elite QB. Do I think a player like Mac Jones can play at a level of Josh Allen? No I don't. Do I think he can be a potential Drew Brees, who was also an elite QB? Yep. I never looked at Jimmy's play and felt we needed to get bigger, stronger, and faster at the position. Really just smarter and more fundamentally sound for the most part, to keep it simple. To me there's a difference between physical limitations, and at least what I would describe as deficiencies.

As far as not being able to trade the picks they spent on Trey Lance on an established QB at that time, I can't disagree with you. But they could have done so this offseason, or next offseason. Theoretically, you could have drafted Micah Parsons at 12, been a better team last year, and traded for Deshaun Watson this offseason (not factoring his b******t). There's lots of possibilities like that. I'd feel pretty good about the 49ers being the favorite in the NFC with those two players on the roster right now. What isn't arguable is no matter what Trey Lance ends up being, you got next to nothing for it year one and you were right on the doorstep and year 2 could very well be the same (or worse).

Man this thread is going to be better than the ufo forums today 😂

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Watching "The Faithful" turn on Deebo in real time is craaaazy.

he turned on us first.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well, as I alluded to in my last post, I think we probably have a fundamental disagreement on what makes up an elite QB. Do I think a player like Mac Jones can play at a level of Josh Allen? No I don't. Do I think he can be a potential Drew Brees, who was also an elite QB? Yep. I never looked at Jimmy's play and felt we needed to get bigger, stronger, and faster at the position. Really just smarter and more fundamentally sound for the most part, to keep it simple. To me there's a difference between physical limitations, and at least what I would describe as deficiencies.

As far as not being able to trade the picks they spent on Trey Lance on an established QB at that time, I can't disagree with you. But they could have done so this offseason, or next offseason. Theoretically, you could have drafted Micah Parsons at 12, been a better team last year, and traded for Deshaun Watson this offseason (not factoring his b******t). There's lots of possibilities like that. I'd feel pretty good about the 49ers being the favorite in the NFC with those two players on the roster right now. What isn't arguable is no matter what Trey Lance ends up being, you got next to nothing for it year one and you were right on the doorstep and year 2 could very well be the same (or worse).

For a thread on Deebo, this puppy seems to have gone all over the place. Before we get it back on track, let me just comment on this post.

Trading for Watson would have been a high risk venture. Having seen and been, through this place, on the receiving end of the reaction from the people of California to, for example, the situation with Ray McDonald to name but one, it is by no means clear what the reaction of the Faithful would have been to Watson appearing in Scarlet and Gold. And that is assuming that the Commish, a longtime fan of SF (!), wouldn't immediately hang an extended suspension on him. And these are not even the problem.

The problem is the fully guaranteed 5 year $230 million contract. Bear in mind here that the salary cap for this year is $208.2 million. That has to cover the entire team. How would the Niners have been hoping to keep their high priced vets, like Trent Williams, Arik Armstead. and George Kittle, not to mention Nick Bosa and Deebo Samuel? And the answer, of course, is that they wouldn't. The team would have had to do an Oakland A's move and hoped that a bucket-load of rookies and no name players might be able to, perhaps, not completely embarrass the team. At the least, the Defence would be history.

Getting the best option off the draft was in my view the best chance. Unfortunately the operation on Garoppolo derailed what I would imagine was the team's plan. Jimmy has to be off the payroll this year to allow this plan to keep rolling.

Now, "1st Team All Pro Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina" please. Thank you.