Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Chiefs are able to keep all their elite players, So why can't we?

We don't need to lose anybody. The Cap is going to sky rocket in 2023 and we have our franchise QB on a rookie deal for the next 3 years. This team should be loading up next year and build the best team possible around Trey.

You're right many teams are Able to keep their best players all we have to do is lock them on to longer-term contracts and be able to restructure them as well.

Id actually argue the Chiefs had less key players than we do. But they have two guys that are exceptional (Hill and Mahommes), with Mahommes being exceptional at the most important position.

And Kelce. Hes a very important cog in that offense.

Totally forgot about Kelce. Absolutely deserves it. For us, we have Bosa, Williams, Kittle, Juice, and maybe Deebo. But because one of the Chiefs guys is at QB, its the trump card. Hoping Trey can become one of those guys.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Chiefs are able to keep all their elite players, So why can't we?

We don't need to lose anybody. The Cap is going to sky rocket in 2023 and we have our franchise QB on a rookie deal for the next 3 years. This team should be loading up next year and build the best team possible around Trey.

You're right many teams are Able to keep their best players all we have to do is lock them on to longer-term contracts and be able to restructure them as well.

Incorrect JTB, the cap isn't sky rocketting in 2023, if anything, it'll be what it should have been in 2022($230M), it likely won't hit the $260M till 2024.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Chiefs are able to keep all their elite players, So why can't we?

We don't need to lose anybody. The Cap is going to sky rocket in 2023 and we have our franchise QB on a rookie deal for the next 3 years. This team should be loading up next year and build the best team possible around Trey.

You're right many teams are Able to keep their best players all we have to do is lock them on to longer-term contracts and be able to restructure them as well.

Id actually argue the Chiefs had less key players than we do. But they have two guys that are exceptional (Hill and Mahommes), with Mahommes being exceptional at the most important position.

And Kelce. Hes a very important cog in that offense.

Totally forgot about Kelce. Absolutely deserves it. For us, we have Bosa, Williams, Kittle, Juice, and maybe Deebo. But because one of the Chiefs guys is at QB, its the trump card. Hoping Trey can become one of those guys.

Mahomes is on a $40M+ a yr deal, they also had Kelce, Chris Jones, Hill, plus others, they need to re-sign Mathieu. For us, Bosa, Trent, Kittle, Juice, Deebo, Aiyuk, & Warner all deserve it

To add to it, luckily Aiyuk isn't up/eligible until after 2022, plus he has a 5th yr option, he may be the guy they wait till the 5th yr, depending on the market, to extend. I'd rather they extend Bosa & Deebo this offseason, and then in 2023 Aiyuk, just get the deals done, don't wait it out. I'm not even sure where to peg Aiyuk, depends on what Deebo gets, I don't think Aiyuk gets what Deebo gets, but I can see a bit less, hoping the 49ers pay both, I don't want to go through drafting X amount of WRs that don't end up working(Pettis, Hurd, James, Taylor likes), and just pay our guys who have worked out(Aiyuk & Deebo), plus other players at other positions(DJ Jones being the one big one this offseason with Laken & K'Waun as guys we added via FA or trades after they either didn't latch on elsewhere or were considered busts, same can go with Arden Key, I'd like to retain him on a multi-yr deal)

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
To add to it, luckily Aiyuk isn't up/eligible until after 2022, plus he has a 5th yr option, he may be the guy they wait till the 5th yr, depending on the market, to extend. I'd rather they extend Bosa & Deebo this offseason, and then in 2023 Aiyuk, just get the deals done, don't wait it out. I'm not even sure where to peg Aiyuk, depends on what Deebo gets, I don't think Aiyuk gets what Deebo gets, but I can see a bit less, hoping the 49ers pay both, I don't want to go through drafting X amount of WRs that don't end up working(Pettis, Hurd, James, Taylor likes), and just pay our guys who have worked out(Aiyuk & Deebo), plus other players at other positions(DJ Jones being the one big one this offseason with Laken & K'Waun as guys we added via FA or trades after they either didn't latch on elsewhere or were considered busts, same can go with Arden Key, I'd like to retain him on a multi-yr deal)

Do you think that's smart paying two WRs top dollar, though? IIRC, I think you said before you expect Deebo to get about 19m, Aiyuk would maybe get 17m at this point. So that's 36m of cap space on two WRs. With the salary cap expecting to jumpi to 205m+, those two guys would be eating up about 17% of our total cap space. Add in Bosa for 30m, and you're at nearly a third of the cap space for 3 guys.

You're the cap guy, I trust your expertise here, it just seems impossible to be paying top dollar for all of our star players.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
To add to it, luckily Aiyuk isn't up/eligible until after 2022, plus he has a 5th yr option, he may be the guy they wait till the 5th yr, depending on the market, to extend. I'd rather they extend Bosa & Deebo this offseason, and then in 2023 Aiyuk, just get the deals done, don't wait it out. I'm not even sure where to peg Aiyuk, depends on what Deebo gets, I don't think Aiyuk gets what Deebo gets, but I can see a bit less, hoping the 49ers pay both, I don't want to go through drafting X amount of WRs that don't end up working(Pettis, Hurd, James, Taylor likes), and just pay our guys who have worked out(Aiyuk & Deebo), plus other players at other positions(DJ Jones being the one big one this offseason with Laken & K'Waun as guys we added via FA or trades after they either didn't latch on elsewhere or were considered busts, same can go with Arden Key, I'd like to retain him on a multi-yr deal)

Do you think that's smart paying two WRs top dollar, though? IIRC, I think you said before you expect Deebo to get about 19m, Aiyuk would maybe get 17m at this point. So that's 36m of cap space on two WRs. With the salary cap expecting to jumpi to 205m+, those two guys would be eating up about 17% of our total cap space. Add in Bosa for 30m, and you're at nearly a third of the cap space for 3 guys.

You're the cap guy, I trust your expertise here, it just seems impossible to be paying top dollar for all of our star players.

Good thing Aiyuk won't be over 15 million good bc he's our 3rd or 4th option on offense.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
To add to it, luckily Aiyuk isn't up/eligible until after 2022, plus he has a 5th yr option, he may be the guy they wait till the 5th yr, depending on the market, to extend. I'd rather they extend Bosa & Deebo this offseason, and then in 2023 Aiyuk, just get the deals done, don't wait it out. I'm not even sure where to peg Aiyuk, depends on what Deebo gets, I don't think Aiyuk gets what Deebo gets, but I can see a bit less, hoping the 49ers pay both, I don't want to go through drafting X amount of WRs that don't end up working(Pettis, Hurd, James, Taylor likes), and just pay our guys who have worked out(Aiyuk & Deebo), plus other players at other positions(DJ Jones being the one big one this offseason with Laken & K'Waun as guys we added via FA or trades after they either didn't latch on elsewhere or were considered busts, same can go with Arden Key, I'd like to retain him on a multi-yr deal)

Do you think that's smart paying two WRs top dollar, though? IIRC, I think you said before you expect Deebo to get about 19m, Aiyuk would maybe get 17m at this point. So that's 36m of cap space on two WRs. With the salary cap expecting to jumpi to 205m+, those two guys would be eating up about 17% of our total cap space. Add in Bosa for 30m, and you're at nearly a third of the cap space for 3 guys.

You're the cap guy, I trust your expertise here, it just seems impossible to be paying top dollar for all of our star players.

By the time Aiyuk is up the cap should be up to $260m, with $20m increases each year, I have no doubt they can afford Deebo & Aiyuk, plus Bosa, Kittle, Trent, Warner, & Juice.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
To add to it, luckily Aiyuk isn't up/eligible until after 2022, plus he has a 5th yr option, he may be the guy they wait till the 5th yr, depending on the market, to extend. I'd rather they extend Bosa & Deebo this offseason, and then in 2023 Aiyuk, just get the deals done, don't wait it out. I'm not even sure where to peg Aiyuk, depends on what Deebo gets, I don't think Aiyuk gets what Deebo gets, but I can see a bit less, hoping the 49ers pay both, I don't want to go through drafting X amount of WRs that don't end up working(Pettis, Hurd, James, Taylor likes), and just pay our guys who have worked out(Aiyuk & Deebo), plus other players at other positions(DJ Jones being the one big one this offseason with Laken & K'Waun as guys we added via FA or trades after they either didn't latch on elsewhere or were considered busts, same can go with Arden Key, I'd like to retain him on a multi-yr deal)

Do you think that's smart paying two WRs top dollar, though? IIRC, I think you said before you expect Deebo to get about 19m, Aiyuk would maybe get 17m at this point. So that's 36m of cap space on two WRs. With the salary cap expecting to jumpi to 205m+, those two guys would be eating up about 17% of our total cap space. Add in Bosa for 30m, and you're at nearly a third of the cap space for 3 guys.

You're the cap guy, I trust your expertise here, it just seems impossible to be paying top dollar for all of our star players.

Good thing Aiyuk won't be over 15 million good bc he's our 3rd or 4th option on offense.

I'd think $15m a yr would be where Aiyuk would be pegged right now if he continues his play.

As for being worried about the salary cap, no I'm not, the 49ers are set up nicely, especially with Jimmy likely gone after 2021, with Trey on a rookie deal, it'll help get Bosa, Deebo, Aiyuk, and anyone else extended, plus by 2024 the cap should be up to $256M-$260M, with $20M a yr increases, the cap should be near $300M by 2026, 2025 if the cap does indeed explode in 2023 to the $260M ish that some like myself hope, but that'll depend on the 2022 season going as well as 2021 has with attendance, TV revenue, etc..

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Deebo Samuel needs to chill 😂 @PFF | #49ers pic.twitter.com/YtB8pjntEj

— 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙎𝙁𝙉𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙧𝙨 (@TheSFNiners_) December 30, 2021

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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
By the time Aiyuk is up the cap should be up to $260m, with $20m increases each year, I have no doubt they can afford Deebo & Aiyuk, plus Bosa, Kittle, Trent, Warner, & Juice.

I'd think $15m a yr would be where Aiyuk would be pegged right now if he continues his play.

oh, holy sheet, I didn't know it was going to go up that fast haha

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
To add to it, luckily Aiyuk isn't up/eligible until after 2022, plus he has a 5th yr option, he may be the guy they wait till the 5th yr, depending on the market, to extend. I'd rather they extend Bosa & Deebo this offseason, and then in 2023 Aiyuk, just get the deals done, don't wait it out. I'm not even sure where to peg Aiyuk, depends on what Deebo gets, I don't think Aiyuk gets what Deebo gets, but I can see a bit less, hoping the 49ers pay both, I don't want to go through drafting X amount of WRs that don't end up working(Pettis, Hurd, James, Taylor likes), and just pay our guys who have worked out(Aiyuk & Deebo), plus other players at other positions(DJ Jones being the one big one this offseason with Laken & K'Waun as guys we added via FA or trades after they either didn't latch on elsewhere or were considered busts, same can go with Arden Key, I'd like to retain him on a multi-yr deal)

Do you think that's smart paying two WRs top dollar, though? IIRC, I think you said before you expect Deebo to get about 19m, Aiyuk would maybe get 17m at this point. So that's 36m of cap space on two WRs. With the salary cap expecting to jumpi to 205m , those two guys would be eating up about 17% of our total cap space. Add in Bosa for 30m, and you're at nearly a third of the cap space for 3 guys.

You're the cap guy, I trust your expertise here, it just seems impossible to be paying top dollar for all of our star players.

By the time Aiyuk is up the cap should be up to $260m, with $20m increases each year, I have no doubt they can afford Deebo & Aiyuk, plus Bosa, Kittle, Trent, Warner, & Juice.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
To add to it, luckily Aiyuk isn't up/eligible until after 2022, plus he has a 5th yr option, he may be the guy they wait till the 5th yr, depending on the market, to extend. I'd rather they extend Bosa & Deebo this offseason, and then in 2023 Aiyuk, just get the deals done, don't wait it out. I'm not even sure where to peg Aiyuk, depends on what Deebo gets, I don't think Aiyuk gets what Deebo gets, but I can see a bit less, hoping the 49ers pay both, I don't want to go through drafting X amount of WRs that don't end up working(Pettis, Hurd, James, Taylor likes), and just pay our guys who have worked out(Aiyuk & Deebo), plus other players at other positions(DJ Jones being the one big one this offseason with Laken & K'Waun as guys we added via FA or trades after they either didn't latch on elsewhere or were considered busts, same can go with Arden Key, I'd like to retain him on a multi-yr deal)

Do you think that's smart paying two WRs top dollar, though? IIRC, I think you said before you expect Deebo to get about 19m, Aiyuk would maybe get 17m at this point. So that's 36m of cap space on two WRs. With the salary cap expecting to jumpi to 205m , those two guys would be eating up about 17% of our total cap space. Add in Bosa for 30m, and you're at nearly a third of the cap space for 3 guys.

You're the cap guy, I trust your expertise here, it just seems impossible to be paying top dollar for all of our star players.

Good thing Aiyuk won't be over 15 million good bc he's our 3rd or 4th option on offense.

I'd think $15m a yr would be where Aiyuk would be pegged right now if he continues his play.

Totally agree with keeping Deebo and Aiyuk. We haven't had two good drafted receivers since the 90s. I think we have the players to dominate through the air, on the ground, or a mixture- with the latter two being the preferred option.

Question:

We've been lining up Deebo due to a lot of a lack of depth at RB. I imagine that if we had Mostert, Mitchell, and Wilson healthy all year long... we probably never would've had Deebo at RB. We'd probably have a lot more jet sweeps and screens for him though.

IN THE LONG RUN, since he's shown himself to be such an effective runner, do you want to see him at RB more though? A personnel grouping of Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, Jennings, Juscyzyk would normally sound like a passing down with Juice as a pass-blocker or an outlet guy out of the backfield... but that could easily be a running group as well with Deebo at RB.

In my opinion, Deebo is proving himself to be THE Offensive Weapon. He can do it all. I see him as a guy who defenses always have to account for and we can move around and he's going to demand so much attention. I can see him having a Steph Curry gravity type effect that everyone focuses on him and that suddenly leaves other people in one-on-one's or completely open.

Even Deebo at RB can mean that he can be a RB out of the backfield, running traditional RB type routes like swing passes and wheel routes.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Question:

We've been lining up Deebo due to a lot of a lack of depth at RB. I imagine that if we had Mostert, Mitchell, and Wilson healthy all year long... we probably never would've had Deebo at RB. We'd probably have a lot more jet sweeps and screens for him though.

I don't agree. Kyle loves versatile players to exploit personnel matchups. He was always going to use Deebo like this. Not to mention that Deebo was running plays out of the backfield last year as well.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I don't agree. Kyle loves versatile players to exploit personnel matchups. He was always going to use Deebo like this. Not to mention that Deebo was running plays out of the backfield last year as well.

Kyle definitely loves multi-faceted guys, but I do think all the injuries to the backfield has led Kyle down another avenue when it comes to the running game. They ran Deebo something like 6 or so times total in the first 8 weeks....he basically has averaged that many rush attempts per game since.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Question:

We've been lining up Deebo due to a lot of a lack of depth at RB. I imagine that if we had Mostert, Mitchell, and Wilson healthy all year long... we probably never would've had Deebo at RB. We'd probably have a lot more jet sweeps and screens for him though.

I don't agree. Kyle loves versatile players to exploit personnel matchups. He was always going to use Deebo like this. Not to mention that Deebo was running plays out of the backfield last year as well.

Let me rephrase... I feel we had Deebo at RB as more of a necessity, and then Aiyuk was emerging as a WR that we trust to win one-on-one match-ups. What I'm asking is... do you think in the long run, Deebo would have more snaps at RB than the occasional 2 or 3 snaps? In other words... with a healthy stable of RB's, should the playbook evolve to feature Deebo at RB 10-15 snaps a game?