"4-3 Under" Future DC Search

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Hire Pete Carroll as DC once the Seahawks fire him, because its clear that his coaching tree is complete garbage outside of him. Gus Bradley and Saleh are huge failures. We don't have to change the scheme. The Seahawks defense looks way better than ours, which is pretty sad considering that they only have Wagner, KJ Wright, and Earl now. Something is not adding up here.....

Carroll is never getting fired. He decides when he's done in Seattle.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The entire league uses '4-3 under' fronts. 4-3 under is not a scheme, it's an alignment.

The elements that compromise this system are one gap from 4-3 under alignment, eight-man box, cover 3 with match principles, a premium on athleticism and speed, tall/long corners, etc.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Hire Pete Carroll as DC once the Seahawks fire him, because its clear that his coaching tree is complete garbage outside of him. Gus Bradley and Saleh are huge failures. We don't have to change the scheme. The Seahawks defense looks way better than ours, which is pretty sad considering that they only have Wagner, KJ Wright, and Earl now. Something is not adding up here.....

Carroll is never getting fired. He decides when he's done in Seattle.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

don't the Lions play 4-3? So do the Dolphins.

Talking about the 4-3 Under specifically.

Schematically it's what the Seahawks and 49ers run, so a better coach allows the team to get success faster while not modifying the scheme all that much. I obviously leave off Seattle because I think only Pete Carroll would be legit to run that defense from that team, and that's obviously never going to happen here.

Now, a legit 4-3 DC of any type I'd be game for.

3-4 could work too I guess since Philipps converted a 4-3 team in the Rams, but for the most part I think only Fangio would be worth going back to the 3-4 for, and it seems we have more 4-3 personnel at this point anyways.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Let this be a thread to look at potential replacements for Saleh (if needed).

List of teams that play 4-3 Under right now around the league outside of 49ers and Seahawks:

Jaguars
Falcons
Chargers

You're not going to take the current DCs from these teams obviously. So the question is which assistant coaches are reasonable here?

Normally I'd say DB coaches are prime candidates to become coordinators.

Also as a complete tangent, the other 4-3 DC I really like is Rod Marinelli with Cowboys. I like his scheme and his guys are rarely ever out of position.......very sound DC. To me he's the 4-3 equivalent of Fangio. Low on the flash, high on the substance. Also schematically, he has given Wilson tons of fits.

Would love Marinelli if the Cowboys think he's the issue, but doubtful.

Gotta imagine the Jags defensive staff not only knows the 4-3 under well, but it seems like their talent acquisition is the best so far in the NFL. Stud after stud, my god.

If we get one of these studs as a DC next year to go with an elite edge, it will start to feel like 2011 again........maybe.

Originally posted by Buchy:
I think Marinelli could be an option next season if Garret gets fired - new HC will likely want his own DC.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

I don't think the 9ers have to be married to a 4-3. I have to push back on the idea they don't have 3-4 personnel. Thomas and Buckner are absolutely 3-4 ends. Jones easily could play nose. Warner an Foster would be fine inside in a 3-4. Just lack the olbs.

If Bowles gets fired you absolutely need to consider him. Chuck Pagano is also intriguing if he's completely healthy.

Originally posted by Buchy:

I think Marinelli could be an option next season if Garret gets fired - new HC will likely want his own DC.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

I don't think the 9ers have to be married to a 4-3. I have to push back on the idea they don't have 3-4 personnel. Thomas and Buckner are absolutely 3-4 ends. Jones easily could play nose. Warner an Foster would be fine inside in a 3-4. Just lack the olbs.

If Bowles gets fired you absolutely need to consider him. Chuck Pagano is also intriguing if he's completely healthy.

Originally posted by 9moon:

4-3 coaches

Jack Del Rio
Leslie Frazier
Lovie Smith

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I doubt Bowles will get fired but if he did....

Dude is the master of manufacturing pass rush as long as you get him two reliable CBs. He's a great playcaller and known as one of the best at in-game adjustments. His triple A gap blitzes are the stuff of nightmares for OL's and QBs.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I don't think the 9ers have to be married to a 4-3. I have to push back on the idea they don't have 3-4 personnel. Thomas and Buckner are absolutely 3-4 ends. Jones easily could play nose. Warner an Foster would be fine inside in a 3-4. Just lack the olbs.

If Bowles gets fired you absolutely need to consider him. Chuck Pagano is also intriguing if he's completely healthy.