Jimmy Graham Thread

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by sacniner:
Bruh, that college kid has NEVER blocked in the NFL. Chilo Rachal and Kwame Harris were willing, and good blockers in college.

I'm just saying, based off what I've seen Goedert is already far more dedicated to blocking. Graham was never a good blocker at any level, college or the NFL. Its not that he's unable to either. Physically there is no reason why he couldn't at least be an average blocker, he's just always been disinterested in doing it. He's like to catch the ball, he likes being an oversized receiver, he dedicates all his effort to that.

I know the narrative, and mostly factual, perception of Graham is that he is a joke of a blocker. He also said in the past he is a WR, not a TE. Don't blame him as he was tryna get paid. But, the story out of Seattle is that he is much improved in the blocking game. As he is older, maybe he is a more willing blocker. His blocking metrics have improved this year (career best).

I really haven't seen the improvement and I've watched a bunch of Seattle games, even attended one in person as I've been going back and forth between Washington monthly over the past 6 months for business. If it hasn't happened at this point, I doubt that it is coming anytime in the future. He is what he is, an oversized receiver that can catch but shows zero desire to block on any level. You can talk to Seahawks fans about it and they'll tell you the same thing, as well as the Seahawks beat guys. He's been fantastic in the redzone but has been drops prone and they've all pretty much given up hope on any effort from him as a blocker.

My doot, Delanie is one of the best TEs in the NFL. He would be a great fit anywhere. Not being a meanie, but no crap he would be a good fit lol.

That is the kind of guy Shanahan is looking for. When he's in the game, you don't know whether the offense is running or passing and you have to respect his ability in either facet. Kittle is that kind of player in that he can block and catch. If they address TE in FA or the draft, I expect a similar player to be added, a TE that is equal parts threat to block or catch.

Not saying that Graham being signed is impossible, I would just argue its unlikely based on Shanahan's history of TE's and also based on how this team has been gradually getting younger and moving away from guys that don't fit the scheme particularly well. If they move on from Hyde, I imagine it would be for the exact same reason, that they want a guy who is more capable of taking it to the outside and making plays as a receiver deep down the field.

I'm not going lose sleep if we don't' go after a cheap deal w/ him, but it would be intriguing.

I get what you're saying, I just don't believe that Graham is going to be high up on their list for all the aforementioned reasons. If he was cheap enough, they might kick the rocks with him but I see there being a very competitive market for teams who won't care about his blocking ability and will be willing to pay up for what they still consider to be a premier receiving threat.

Considering his age, I think the team goes with someone that will likely be a better fit overall, maybe not as explosive but a much more balanced player. NY mentioned Trey Burton and I could see a guy like that who is a lot younger, one of the best backup TE's in football, a TE with explosiveness as well as blocking ability who appears primed for a bigger role elsewhere.

Graham cared about catching the ball because that's how you get paid. And it worked. At this stage of his career, not as athletic, he maybe willing to focus more on blocking. He's a beast, and can block well if he wanted. It's about effort, that's why the metrics show his blocking is better. He's probably focusing more on it.

You mentioned that you watch lots of chicken games, but do you look at graham blocking when you watch? No you don't. So listen to the experts and rely on data. Hawk fans and experts are saying his blocking improved. Even coach Pete said so.

Regarding Delanie, he is a premier TE. Of course Kyle, and every coach wants him. Like saying Kyle looks for Gurley types at RB... yeah, no crap.

Kittle would still be on the squad. These two could compliment each other. Hell, celek has made big plays since Jesus has came in.

It's unlikely, but just a fun thought. And I am certain you are HIGHLY overestimating how much he'll get paid. This isn't the NBA. The market will probably be lukewarm for him

Originally posted by Team49ers:

He doesnt like to run block and hes a its all about me kinda guy.

Why do you think that about him? Just curious cuz I never seen anything that indicated he was, I also don't pay much attention to graham though. Supposedly he was pretty bummed out bout being traded away too.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Graham cared about catching the ball because that's how you get paid. And it worked. At this stage of his career, not as athletic, he maybe willing to focus more on blocking. He's a beast, and can block well if he wanted. It's about effort, that's why the metrics show his blocking is better. He's probably focusing more on it.

You mentioned that you watch lots of chicken games, but do you look at graham blocking when you watch? No you don't. So listen to the experts and rely on data. Hawk fans and experts are saying his blocking improved. Even coach Pete said so.

Regarding Delanie, he is a premier TE. Of course Kyle, and every coach wants him. Like saying Kyle looks for Gurley types at RB... yeah, no crap.

Kittle would still be on the squad. These two could compliment each other. Hell, celek has made big plays since Jesus has came in.

It's unlikely, but just a fun thought. And I am certain you are HIGHLY overestimating how much he'll get paid. This isn't the NBA. The market will probably be lukewarm for him

Walker is a premier TE? I think thats a bit of a reach and i want him back if possible lol. Hes also going to be 34 at the start of next season.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by Team49ers:

He doesnt like to run block and hes a its all about me kinda guy.

Why do you think that about him? Just curious cuz I never seen anything that indicated he was, I also don't pay much attention to graham though. Supposedly he was pretty bummed out bout being traded away too.

How he is on the sidelines when he isnt getting the ball, the replays when u see him make half azzed attempts to run block.

I can't look at Graham neutrally anymore.

The 2011 NFCC did that along with 2014.......forget the Seahawks....

Before I could hate Seahawk players, I hated Jimmy Graham. He was a Hawk before he left the Saints.

Plus the "he's good because he's really tall" is a for football pride. Give me burners all day.

I think Jimmy Graham would be a fine addition to our team for a few reasons.

1. We currently don't have a jump ball red zone threat we can force it to.
2. He doesn't have to be used as an in line blocker and would be used with a lot of pressure snap motions that will create match ups that Garoppolo can exploit.
3. Graham was a top 3 receiving tight end with Brees throwing him open, much like Garoppolo does.
4. We have a ton of smaller, more shifty receivers. This gives us something were missing.
5. Shannahan likes to run 3 tight end sets, and he ran them more than anyone else in the league with the Falcons.
6. I expect us to be playoff bound, and we have a ton of salary cap available. We need red zone touchdowns, and we may need clutch ones and with our current roster, if we had to throw the fade, I'd rather throw it to Graham over any of our current receivers. Deep playoff depth with Celek and Kettle as well.
7. There seem to be a lot of mixed opinions on his blocking and effort. I feel that if he were to join Garoppolo's team, he would be inspired to play his best football, and most of all, I think he'd be effective mostly because of Garoppolo's accuracy, ball placement, and leadership.
8. He is a match up nightmare that teams would have to gameplan for no matter what.

The downside is that we may have to overpay, but we have a ton of cap room and we'd only want him around for another year or two anyway, unless he is absolutely dominating. I envision him as our second tight end to Kittle. Our two tight end set with Juice at fullback would force teams to play their bigger defenders whom we can easily exploit in the passing game.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Graham cared about catching the ball because that's how you get paid. And it worked. At this stage of his career, not as athletic, he maybe willing to focus more on blocking. He's a beast, and can block well if he wanted. It's about effort, that's why the metrics show his blocking is better. He's probably focusing more on it.

You mentioned that you watch lots of chicken games, but do you look at graham blocking when you watch? No you don't. So listen to the experts and rely on data. Hawk fans and experts are saying his blocking improved. Even coach Pete said so.

Regarding Delanie, he is a premier TE. Of course Kyle, and every coach wants him. Like saying Kyle looks for Gurley types at RB... yeah, no crap.

Kittle would still be on the squad. These two could compliment each other. Hell, celek has made big plays since Jesus has came in.

It's unlikely, but just a fun thought. And I am certain you are HIGHLY overestimating how much he'll get paid. This isn't the NBA. The market will probably be lukewarm for him

Once again, I honestly don't know where you are getting this from? He has been awful as a blocker all season throughout.


He's getting older, slower and he still doesn't care about blocking.


This was just from the Packers game.

He also dropped a crucial ball on third down that would have put the Seahawks in Green Bay territory, and when he was asked to block, there might as well have been 10 men on the field.

Second play of the game? Graham missed a block that caused Doug Baldwin to lose 3 yards. Third play of the game? Graham missed a chip block that caused Russell Wilson to get sacked.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/is-it-now-time-to-stop-thinking-jimmy-graham-is-going-to-be-a-great-savior-for-seahawks/


Also Pete Carroll said that Earl Thomas going into the Cowboys locker room to tell Jason Garrett to come get him was a form of trash talking. Pete lives in his own rose colored glasses world, bless his heart. Even in Seattle its accepted that there is reality and then there is Pete reality.



As far as salary goes, happy to bet that Graham doesn't get anything under $7 million a year.

I'd rather take a risk on Eifert and his balky back then sign up Charmin.

He will probably resign with New Orleans after they axe Fleener.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Walker is a premier TE? I think thats a bit of a reach and i want him back if possible lol. Hes also going to be 34 at the start of next season.

Seriously? Yes, he's been a premiere TE the last couple of years. That's common knowledge. Obviously our dumb ass GM made a mistake keeping VD and releasing Delanie.

F*ck him, don't want him on our team.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Once again, I honestly don't know where you are getting this from? He has been awful as a blocker all season throughout.

He's getting older, slower and he still doesn't care about blocking.

This was just from the Packers game.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/is-it-now-time-to-stop-thinking-jimmy-graham-is-going-to-be-a-great-savior-for-seahawks/

Also Pete Carroll said that Earl Thomas going into the Cowboys locker room to tell Jason Garrett to come get him was a form of trash talking. Pete lives in his own rose colored glasses world, bless his heart. Even in Seattle its accepted that there is reality and then there is Pete reality.

As far as salary goes, happy to bet that Graham doesn't get anything under $7 million a year.

Where are you getting that he has been an "awful" blocker all season throughout? Seahawks.net, gifs, and op-eds? Link us with data homie. I love you, but you use a lot of hyperbole and seems like you are VERY set in your opinion and will never change your mind.

Yes, he is older and slower but still a major receiving threat. And him slowing down is why he'll be much cheaper than you think, this isn't 2011. This isn't the NBA. He won't get 8 per long term like you think lol

You linked an op-ed. Get hard data/metrics bro. You and I can drop op-eds. Grant Cohn does op-eds. They mean nothing. Also, Graham is not a savior (why I don't do hyperbole). That's a joke. At this point, he is a complimentary TE that should be used primarily on third and five or more, or in the redzone (why he's cheaper now)

You can imply/infer anything you want from coach pete. To the best of my knowledge, you don't know him. Bottom line, he said that Graham has improved a lot as a blocker.

I would love to do a bet on salary. He will not get a long-term deal paying him over 7 million a year. Now, if he has a contract that pays him 7 million in the 5th year, and 3 now, obviously that is BS. We can talk terms and conditions

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
F*ck him, don't want him on our team.

It's a business. Jed don't care about you. Its not the fans team. I would take Richard Sherman for the right price if he wanted to come. Take emotions out.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
F*ck him, don't want him on our team.

It's a business. Jed don't care about you. Its not the fans team. I would take Richard Sherman for the right price if he wanted to come. Take emotions out.

You're nailing it. But fans will be irrational.

The same people who are saying Graham is not a well-rounded TE and too old are also saying he's going to get paid big dollars. Which, of course, makes no sense. But fans will be fans.

Originally posted by okdkid:
You're nailing it. But fans will be irrational.

The same people who are saying Graham is not a well-rounded TE and too old are also saying he's going to get paid big dollars. Which, of course, makes no sense. But fans will be fans.

Haha, yup.

Originally posted by okdkid:

You're nailing it. But fans will be irrational.

The same people who are saying Graham is not a well-rounded TE and too old are also saying he's going to get paid big dollars. Which, of course, makes no sense. But fans will be fans.

Receiving tight ends get paid big dollars. Jordan Reed can't block and Washington gave him 8 a year.