Jimmy Graham Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by okdkid:
You're nailing it. But fans will be irrational.

The same people who are saying Graham is not a well-rounded TE and too old are also saying he's going to get paid big dollars. Which, of course, makes no sense. But fans will be fans.

Receiving tight ends get paid big dollars. Jordan Reed can't block and Washington gave him 8 a year.

Oh man I would pay Jordan Reed way more than that to be on this roster.

Ok, you guys ready for this???

I'll give you ONE good reason for the Niners to sign Jimmy Graham:

To re-iterate to the world that Russell Wilson sucks.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Receiving tight ends get paid big dollars. Jordan Reed can't block and Washington gave him 8 a year.

in 2018, Reed is better than Graham.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by sacniner:

A Graham type TE opens the playbook up. Defenses have to account for him as a primary target, particularly in the red zone. He can block a girl scout. At this point, your boy Goedert may cost more.

Late 1st rounder vs $8 to $10 million a year. Unlikely. Just don't see the interest from ShanaLynch in an aging TE that has shown zero desire in doing anything but running routes throughout his career. He was an awkward fit for Seattle. Would be even a worse fit here.

I don't understand why Seattle made that deal.

Graham was awesome in the passing game in New Orleans. Seattle was struggling with their passing game but that was more because their OL was crummy and gave Willow little time to scan the field and select a target. So-o-o-o, Seattle trades their best pass protector for a TE that will not be getting many targets because the QB doesn't have time to wait for the TE to settle into the open spot in the zone or deep middle.

One thing someone will have to help me on is, what is this "attitude" problem he has? I have not heard that outside the 'zone.

EDIT: If being able to block well is a criteria for a FA TE, then there isn't one that is available that can also catch the ball. I would rather hang with Kittle and Celek as pass receivers and draft a good blocker that can also catch a bit to replace Paulsen.

The problem with Seattle is they have always seemed to have a lot of faith in Tom Cable making do with project type players on the offensive line, which has enabled them to use the majority of their money elsewhere including paying Wilson and keeping the core of their defense together. Sooner or later that strategy is going to catch up with you and it has.

I always assumed the trade for Jimmy was kind of the team looking to replace Golden Tate's production in the passing offense. Golden Tate had moved on the offseason before and went on to become a pretty good receiver in Detroit. My understanding was that they offered a contract to Tate but he wasn't happy with the money offered and decided to test free agency.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Ok, you guys ready for this???

I'll give you ONE good reason for the Niners to sign Jimmy Graham:

To re-iterate to the world that Russell Wilson sucks.

Russell Wilson doesn't suck at all, never thought that of him. But yes, I wouldn't mind if Lynch/Shanahan signed Jimmy Graham.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
F*ck him, don't want him on our team.

It's a business. Jed don't care about you. Its not the fans team. I would take Richard Sherman for the right price if he wanted to come. Take emotions out.

Talk like that is for clods only.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Ok, you guys ready for this???

I'll give you ONE good reason for the Niners to sign Jimmy Graham:

To re-iterate to the world that Russell Wilson sucks.

Russell Wilson doesn't suck at all, never thought that of him. But yes, I wouldn't mind if Lynch/Shanahan signed Jimmy Graham.

Wilson doesnt suck but he doesnt help with his receivers' stats. How many times has Wilson had a 1000 yard receiver in his career? Maybe like twice with baldwin and those 2 years were barely over the 1000 mark.

Kearse left and went to the Jets and is almost now at 800 yards with McCown at QB and now a string of backups who shouldnt even be in the NFL.

He won't be cheap, but he's always a threat to score in the red zone. Jimmy currently doesn't have a guy that can consistently win jump balls.

That said, he doesn't seem like a KS type of guy. He's not going to go out of his way to block in the run game.

Originally posted by strickac:
He won't be cheap, but he's always a threat to score in the red zone. Jimmy currently doesn't have a guy that can consistently win jump balls.

That said, he doesn't seem like a KS type of guy. He's not going to go out of his way to block in the run game.

I don't think we know much of what Shanahan truly wants at this point. Will likely need to go through this full offseason to get a good feel.

That said -- Jimmy Graham isn't going to any team for his run blocking. He may not even go to be a TE. He will go to catch TDs at whatever position his coach tells him to line up at.

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Ok, you guys ready for this???

I'll give you ONE good reason for the Niners to sign Jimmy Graham:

To re-iterate to the world that Russell Wilson sucks.

Russell Wilson doesn't suck at all, never thought that of him. But yes, I wouldn't mind if Lynch/Shanahan signed Jimmy Graham.

Wilson doesnt suck but he doesnt help with his receivers' stats. How many times has Wilson had a 1000 yard receiver in his career? Maybe like twice with baldwin and those 2 years were barely over the 1000 mark.

Kearse left and went to the Jets and is almost now at 800 yards with McCown at QB and now a string of backups who shouldnt even be in the NFL.

I'm just gonna say this, with Wilson, Seattle always has a chance to make the playoffs. They are about to have 10 wins and this is with all the distractions in Seattle that includes musical chairs at RB.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Ok, you guys ready for this???

I'll give you ONE good reason for the Niners to sign Jimmy Graham:

To re-iterate to the world that Russell Wilson sucks.

Russell Wilson doesn't suck at all, never thought that of him. But yes, I wouldn't mind if Lynch/Shanahan signed Jimmy Graham.

Wilson doesnt suck but he doesnt help with his receivers' stats. How many times has Wilson had a 1000 yard receiver in his career? Maybe like twice with baldwin and those 2 years were barely over the 1000 mark.

Kearse left and went to the Jets and is almost now at 800 yards with McCown at QB and now a string of backups who shouldnt even be in the NFL.

I'm just gonna say this, with Wilson, Seattle always has a chance to make the playoffs. They are about to have 10 wins and this is with all the distractions in Seattle that includes musical chairs at RB.

with Wilson, they have always had a top 5 defense....most of the time #1 defense. Now this year, when they lose their legion of boom, they start losing. Coincidence? im not saying Wilson sucks but he isnt a elite and he isnt a MVP QB. He is a one read QB who runs around until someone is open. That is his advantage and he uses it quite well.

Jimmy Graham didn't get paid $10,000,000/year for what he has done in Seattle where the passing game is always a struggle. He is getting paid for what he showed he could do in a top-tier passing game in New Orleans. In NO he played much like a big, tall possession wide out. In fact, he insisted he be paid like a WR because that was the way he was being used there much of the time. In NO being on the end of the line was the exception rather than the rule. He wasn't asked to block much of the time because he was such a match-up nightmare.

If he were to come here, that is the way I would expect him to be used. Be a full-time receiver who is also called on to block a certain portion of the time. The thought of him playing with JG who can get him the ball accurately in a variety of situations is pretty intriguing to me. Even if he is not as fast as he once was, he is still as tall as he has always been, hence will win in the RZ. That is the piece that is missing now. Consider him a #3 WR, if you will, not a TE.

I discount his performance in Seattle. For him, going there never made sense compared to what he had in NO. It was widely rumored he didn't like the trade but had to go anyway. My guess, given what JG has shown he can do with a very average group of wide outs here in SF, is that Graham would be regenerated in this environment and do what is necessary, including his best blocking, to have a chance for success.

My .02 worth...

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by strickac:

He won't be cheap, but he's always a threat to score in the red zone. Jimmy currently doesn't have a guy that can consistently win jump balls.

That said, he doesn't seem like a KS type of guy. He's not going to go out of his way to block in the run game.

I don't think we know much of what Shanahan truly wants at this point. Will likely need to go through this full offseason to get a good feel.

That said -- Jimmy Graham isn't going to any team for his run blocking. He may not even go to be a TE. He will go to catch TDs at whatever position his coach tells him to line up at.

You're right. He's shown he requires speed from his WRs. As for TEs, he brought in Kittle and Paulson (blocker) and kept Celek. That doesn't tell us much, but he has played balanced players more frequently this season.

We'll see how this thing plays out. He was the OC when the Skins drafted Jordan Reed, who was troubled and not much of a blocker either.

Originally posted by dj43:
Jimmy Graham didn't get paid $10,000,000/year for what he has done in Seattle where the passing game is always a struggle. He is getting paid for what he showed he could do in a top-tier passing game in New Orleans. In NO he played much like a big, tall possession wide out. In fact, he insisted he be paid like a WR because that was the way he was being used there much of the time. In NO being on the end of the line was the exception rather than the rule. He wasn't asked to block much of the time because he was such a match-up nightmare.

If he were to come here, that is the way I would expect him to be used. Be a full-time receiver who is also called on to block a certain portion of the time. The thought of him playing with JG who can get him the ball accurately in a variety of situations is pretty intriguing to me. Even if he is not as fast as he once was, he is still as tall as he has always been, hence will win in the RZ. That is the piece that is missing now. Consider him a #3 WR, if you will, not a TE.

I discount his performance in Seattle. For him, going there never made sense compared to what he had in NO. It was widely rumored he didn't like the trade but had to go anyway. My guess, given what JG has shown he can do with a very average group of wide outs here in SF, is that Graham would be regenerated in this environment and do what is necessary, including his best blocking, to have a chance for success.

My .02 worth...

Agree with this 100%. You're spot on.

Originally posted by strickac:
You're right. He's shown he requires speed from his WRs. As for TEs, he brought in Kittle and Paulson (blocker) and kept Celek. That doesn't tell us much, but he has played balanced players more frequently this season.

We'll see how this thing plays out. He was the OC when the Skins drafted Jordan Reed, who was troubled and not much of a blocker either.

I completely forgot about this! Good catch, man. Certainly will be a fun offseason. Surprised to hear people on the zone act like any of us know 100% what Shanahan truly prefers at this point. None of us really know.