Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by picklejuice:

Listen, as the conductor of the Jimmy Hater train since week 1 of 2018, if I can recognize he's playing well, perhaps even his best ball, then you can too.

— Rich (@richjmadrid) November 23, 2022

:O

What are we apologizing to Jimmy G for? Sorry that you're finally playing well and look like a league average QB finally?

— Rich (@richjmadrid) November 23, 2022

Give Rich another form he done did it again with the 'league average QB finally' that's another violation

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:
2022 QBR leaders:

Tagovailoa - 83.1
Mahomes - 78.4
Allen - 73.3
Geno Smith - 67.3
Hurts - 65
Brissett - 62.4
Jackson - 60.6
Carr - 59.1
Daniel Jones - 58.2
Herbert - 57.7
Mariota - 57.1
Burrow - 55.7
Goff - 55.5
Fields - 54.8
Brady - 54.3
Tannehill - 53.1
Lawrence - 51
Dalton - 50.8
Garoppolo - 50.4
Stafford - 50.4
Murray - 46.7
Cousins - 45.7
Wilson - 45.1
Ryan - 45
Pickett - 43
Rodgers - 41.8
Wentz - 33
Wilson - 32.4
Mac Jones - 30.9
Mills - 29.3
Mayfield - 17.8

QBR is complete trash as the results end up being ALL OVER THE PLACE. How/why anyone still cites this is ridiculous to me. A stat should at least somewhat reflect how good/bad a player is, shouldn't it? Meaning, you shouldn't be able to have a good rating for a particular stat, but actually be playing terrible; or vice versa. But that's exactly what happens with QBR. Every year, every week. It's pathetic and totally unreliable.

We know why certain posters are citing it though.

According to QBR, Tua, Mahomes, Allen, Geno, and Hurts are the top 5 QBs and Wentz, Zach Wilson, Jones, Mills, and Mayfield are the 5 worst this season. That doesn't seem that unreasonable, does it?

You're cherry picking. Shocker. Now look at QB rating. Very few outliers, where with QBR there are several (both on the high end and low end). QBR is unreliable. Period.

Passer rating doesn't tell you who the best or worst QB is. It tells you which TEAM has the most or least efficient passing game. It doesn't tell anything about ball placement, it doesn't tell you about QB vs WR contribution, it doesn't tell you about drops or throws under pressure, it says nothing about sacks, throw-aways, spikes, it effectively counts completion percentage twice (via YPA; it rewards a QB around 40 points for completing a zero yard pass [you get a 39.59 rating for 0/1 0 INT passing, and a 79.17 for 1/1 0 yards passing]). But the most important issue is that it doesn't distinguish between QB contribution to a play and WR contribution to a play, and it doesn't even count sacks, while other metrics like QBR both counts sacks and assigns blame according to who is at fault.

In summary, it doesn't tell you when the QB is bailed out, and, on the other side of the coin, it doesn't tell you when the QB overcomes failures by teammates. And so on. Passer rating is at best a quick look at team passing efficiency.

It's better than QBR is the point.

You're only saying that because Jimmy is ranked higher in it. The rest is just lies.

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy has been playing very well. Props to him for playing his style while also sprinkling in some playmaking ability. As long as pass pro holds up, he seems comfortable going through his reads and finding the check down if nothing is open downfield. 49ers converting 3rd downs at a very good clip and Jimmy is playing a large role in that.

Agreed

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by picklejuice:

Listen, as the conductor of the Jimmy Hater train since week 1 of 2018, if I can recognize he's playing well, perhaps even his best ball, then you can too.

— Rich (@richjmadrid) November 23, 2022

:O

What are we apologizing to Jimmy G for? Sorry that you're finally playing well and look like a league average QB finally?

— Rich (@richjmadrid) November 23, 2022

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by krizay:
With the exception of his int% he is actually having a very similar statistical season as he did in 2019 with far less talent around him

LOL what? Dude no. The talent on this offense has All Pro level players at every position, and all are still in their prime: McCaffrey: former All Pro. Deebo: former All Pro. Trent Williams: former All Pro. Kittle: former All Pro.

By the end of the season his QBR will be where it always is: in the top third or so of starters.

I meant far less talent in 2019. As in, in 2019 with far less talent he's putting up thr same numbers (except int%).

The credit is being given to his talent this year. Merely pointing out he did the same in 19 with less talent

The problem with 2022's Jimmy stats is that he's played at two wild extremes. So the average is not going to tell an accurate picture yet. Lately he's been playing well. If he continues, this will hands down be his best season.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Passer rating has always been stupid. Every player always laughed about it. QBR is not perfect but it's a better metric. I'll trust the players and coaches when it comes to this.

which is more accurate

Daniel Jones is a top 10 QB or Daniel Jones is the 19th ranked QB
Derek Carr is a top 10 QB or the 16th ranked QB
Jacoby Brisset is a top 10 QB or the 18th ranked QB
Marcus Mariotta is a 11th ranked QB (LOL) or 17th?

Also the idea that Trever Lawrence andy dalton Goff and the other QBs above are ranked above Jimmy and even Cousins (who imo hasn't played amazingly but definitely well) is laughable it throws out the stat completely

they really need to rework that formula

Just need to wait for more data points.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by krizay:
With the exception of his int% he is actually having a very similar statistical season as he did in 2019 with far less talent around him

LOL what? Dude no. The talent on this offense has All Pro level players at every position, and all are still in their prime: McCaffrey: former All Pro. Deebo: former All Pro. Trent Williams: former All Pro. Kittle: former All Pro.

By the end of the season his QBR will be where it always is: in the top third or so of starters.

I meant far less talent in 2019. As in, in 2019 with far less talent he's putting up thr same numbers (except int%).

The credit is being given to his talent this year. Merely pointing out he did the same in 19 with less talent

The problem with 2022's Jimmy stats is that he's played at two wild extremes. So the average is not going to tell an accurate picture yet. Lately he's been playing well. If he continues, this will hands down be his best season.

He has had 1 poor game this season and that was the DEN game. He has had a poor play here and there but other than that he has been solid this season.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Question: Is Jimmy's quick release an elite trait just like Mahomes' arm angles, Jackson's elusiveness and Allen's arm strength?

Another hot take. This actually makes me more optimistic about this offense under Trey Lance. Off-schedule plays in this offense is lethal. Hopefully Lance will add more of that element next season.

IMHO, no, yes, and no.

Jackson's elusiveness is counter-able. Jimmy's fast release bails him out and saves the day pretty often. It's an elite trait, and makes him very deadly in the quick game.

However, it's value is less than Mahomes' arm angles, because Mahomes can do all that magic AND also has both a quick release when necessary AND elite arm strength when necessary.

And Allen's arm strength is so absurd a defense must always defend the whole field.

So, Jimmy's release is an elite trait, but the two I said mo about are more valuable.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
He has had 1 poor game this season and that was the DEN game. He has had a poor play here and there but other than that he has been solid this season.

I thought the KC game was poor it was mostly good but the bad outweighed the good making it not a good game. Go back and look at that INT from holding the ball not getting it out into the blitz. Also holding the ball, getting strip sacked. Finally, he got safetied from holding the ball in his own endzone which was clownish. The problems as usual stem from not getting it out quick, which I am noticing improvement recently. CMC effect helping as it is drawing the D away, opening up some space out there.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
If TL is starting. Open question imo.

He's more than likely the starter in 2023.

This is nothing more than your speculation.

Unless Jimmy is staying for 6 mil again, he gone

I don't assume JG leaving means TL is starting

You don't have to assume, Trey is the starter

Lol no he isn't. We don't have a roster yet for the 2023 team, let alone a depth chart. Last offseason taught me not to be so cavalier with knowing what the team will do at QB. I thought they would move on from JG I was wrong 100%.

Jimmy surprised us all by being the complete opposite of petty and narcissistic. Everyone was convinced he'd never take a pay cut or a designation as the backup. He proved to everyone he's a team guy there, if it was ever in doubt.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:
2022 QBR leaders:

Tagovailoa - 83.1
Mahomes - 78.4
Allen - 73.3
Geno Smith - 67.3
Hurts - 65
Brissett - 62.4
Jackson - 60.6
Carr - 59.1
Daniel Jones - 58.2
Herbert - 57.7
Mariota - 57.1
Burrow - 55.7
Goff - 55.5
Fields - 54.8
Brady - 54.3
Tannehill - 53.1
Lawrence - 51
Dalton - 50.8
Garoppolo - 50.4
Stafford - 50.4
Murray - 46.7
Cousins - 45.7
Wilson - 45.1
Ryan - 45
Pickett - 43
Rodgers - 41.8
Wentz - 33
Wilson - 32.4
Mac Jones - 30.9
Mills - 29.3
Mayfield - 17.8

QBR is complete trash as the results end up being ALL OVER THE PLACE. How/why anyone still cites this is ridiculous to me. A stat should at least somewhat reflect how good/bad a player is, shouldn't it? Meaning, you shouldn't be able to have a good rating for a particular stat, but actually be playing terrible; or vice versa. But that's exactly what happens with QBR. Every year, every week. It's pathetic and totally unreliable.

We know why certain posters are citing it though.

According to QBR, Tua, Mahomes, Allen, Geno, and Hurts are the top 5 QBs and Wentz, Zach Wilson, Jones, Mills, and Mayfield are the 5 worst this season. That doesn't seem that unreasonable, does it?

You're cherry picking. Shocker. Now look at QB rating. Very few outliers, where with QBR there are several (both on the high end and low end). QBR is unreliable. Period.

Passer rating doesn't tell you who the best or worst QB is. It tells you which TEAM has the most or least efficient passing game. It doesn't tell anything about ball placement, it doesn't tell you about QB vs WR contribution, it doesn't tell you about drops or throws under pressure, it says nothing about sacks, throw-aways, spikes, it effectively counts completion percentage twice (via YPA; it rewards a QB around 40 points for completing a zero yard pass [you get a 39.59 rating for 0/1 0 INT passing, and a 79.17 for 1/1 0 yards passing]). But the most important issue is that it doesn't distinguish between QB contribution to a play and WR contribution to a play, and it doesn't even count sacks, while other metrics like QBR both counts sacks and assigns blame according to who is at fault.

In summary, it doesn't tell you when the QB is bailed out, and, on the other side of the coin, it doesn't tell you when the QB overcomes failures by teammates. And so on. Passer rating is at best a quick look at team passing efficiency.

It's better than QBR is the point.

You're only saying that because Jimmy is ranked higher in it. The rest is just lies.

No I'm saying that because there are MANY more outliers with QBR than there are are with QB rating. There's a reason QBR is not recognized as an official stat. It's just some BS that ESPN puts out hoping that it sticks. It hasn't and won't. But if you're into Sportscenter Top Ten Plays and fantasy football, then QBR is for you.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:
2022 QBR leaders:

Tagovailoa - 83.1
Mahomes - 78.4
Allen - 73.3
Geno Smith - 67.3
Hurts - 65
Brissett - 62.4
Jackson - 60.6
Carr - 59.1
Daniel Jones - 58.2
Herbert - 57.7
Mariota - 57.1
Burrow - 55.7
Goff - 55.5
Fields - 54.8
Brady - 54.3
Tannehill - 53.1
Lawrence - 51
Dalton - 50.8
Garoppolo - 50.4
Stafford - 50.4
Murray - 46.7
Cousins - 45.7
Wilson - 45.1
Ryan - 45
Pickett - 43
Rodgers - 41.8
Wentz - 33
Wilson - 32.4
Mac Jones - 30.9
Mills - 29.3
Mayfield - 17.8

QBR is complete trash as the results end up being ALL OVER THE PLACE. How/why anyone still cites this is ridiculous to me. A stat should at least somewhat reflect how good/bad a player is, shouldn't it? Meaning, you shouldn't be able to have a good rating for a particular stat, but actually be playing terrible; or vice versa. But that's exactly what happens with QBR. Every year, every week. It's pathetic and totally unreliable.

We know why certain posters are citing it though.

According to QBR, Tua, Mahomes, Allen, Geno, and Hurts are the top 5 QBs and Wentz, Zach Wilson, Jones, Mills, and Mayfield are the 5 worst this season. That doesn't seem that unreasonable, does it?

You're cherry picking. Shocker. Now look at QB rating. Very few outliers, where with QBR there are several (both on the high end and low end). QBR is unreliable. Period.

Passer rating doesn't tell you who the best or worst QB is. It tells you which TEAM has the most or least efficient passing game. It doesn't tell anything about ball placement, it doesn't tell you about QB vs WR contribution, it doesn't tell you about drops or throws under pressure, it says nothing about sacks, throw-aways, spikes, it effectively counts completion percentage twice (via YPA; it rewards a QB around 40 points for completing a zero yard pass [you get a 39.59 rating for 0/1 0 INT passing, and a 79.17 for 1/1 0 yards passing]). But the most important issue is that it doesn't distinguish between QB contribution to a play and WR contribution to a play, and it doesn't even count sacks, while other metrics like QBR both counts sacks and assigns blame according to who is at fault.

In summary, it doesn't tell you when the QB is bailed out, and, on the other side of the coin, it doesn't tell you when the QB overcomes failures by teammates. And so on. Passer rating is at best a quick look at team passing efficiency.

It's better than QBR is the point.

You're only saying that because Jimmy is ranked higher in it. The rest is just lies.

The thing is Jimmy doesn't need to have a high qbr to produce in this offense to be efficient, and that's great. He can throw a pass to the flat that goes for a 50+ yard touchdown due to our weapons, where other qb's might need to make a higher difficulty pass. At the end of the day who cares for the time being? The only thing you have to worry about is when the playmakers/oline play decline around him.

Originally posted by mattster03:

Originally posted by okdkid:
15-4 TD to Int ratio, top 10 in most relevant QB metrics and people still hating. Goes to show that people are irrational and will not alter a viewpoint in the presence of new information.

"hE iS wHo He iS"

Yeah a dope top 10 QB in 2022.

Brain. Plasticity.

I backed that statement up with studies published in peer reviewed journals, and Jimmy backed it up by throwing a beautiful ball directly to Ramsey a couple weeks ago. I say he's better because he's (a) going through progressions better and (b) moving better in the pocket, (c) being willing to throw deep if the defense gives us a one on one, and (d) throwing with more accuracy and zip.

The problem is that literally none of you, boast, you, none of the crew, understood what I was saying. It was related to a very, very specific, instinctive thing. Not related to reading defenses (a learned trait), or executing offenses (a learned trait), or throwing more accurately (a learned/practiced trait), etc.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Passer rating has always been stupid. Every player always laughed about it. QBR is not perfect but it's a better metric. I'll trust the players and coaches when it comes to this.

which is more accurate

Daniel Jones is a top 10 QB or Daniel Jones is the 19th ranked QB
Derek Carr is a top 10 QB or the 16th ranked QB
Jacoby Brisset is a top 10 QB or the 18th ranked QB
Marcus Mariotta is a 11th ranked QB (LOL) or 17th?

Also the idea that Trever Lawrence andy dalton Goff and the other QBs above are ranked above Jimmy and even Cousins (who imo hasn't played amazingly but definitely well) is laughable it throws out the stat completely

they really need to rework that formula

Just need to wait for more data points.

No.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by mattster03:

Originally posted by okdkid:
15-4 TD to Int ratio, top 10 in most relevant QB metrics and people still hating. Goes to show that people are irrational and will not alter a viewpoint in the presence of new information.

"hE iS wHo He iS"

Yeah a dope top 10 QB in 2022.

Brain. Plasticity.

1.Josh Allen
2. Mahomes
3. Lamar
4. Joe Cool
5. Herbert
6. Hurts
7. Rodgers
8. Brady
9. Prescott
10. Tua

This is not a 2022 list. Rodgers? Brady? Sure. Three years ago. This is a social media list. Not a list of the best performing QBs in 2022.

Brady is still playing pretty good dude. Six to 1 TD to INT ratio, 2805 yards. Not the best of his career, but still very good.