Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
from John Lynch



"COMMAND" of our offense

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The problem with 2022's Jimmy stats is that he's played at two wild extremes. So the average is not going to tell an accurate picture yet. Lately he's been playing well. If he continues, this will hands down be his best season.

Agreed

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by krizay:
With the exception of his int% he is actually having a very similar statistical season as he did in 2019 with far less talent around him

LOL what? Dude no. The talent on this offense has All Pro level players at every position, and all are still in their prime: McCaffrey: former All Pro. Deebo: former All Pro. Trent Williams: former All Pro. Kittle: former All Pro.

By the end of the season his QBR will be where it always is: in the top third or so of starters.

I meant far less talent in 2019. As in, in 2019 with far less talent he's putting up thr same numbers (except int%).

The credit is being given to his talent this year. Merely pointing out he did the same in 19 with less talent

The problem with 2022's Jimmy stats is that he's played at two wild extremes. So the average is not going to tell an accurate picture yet. Lately he's been playing well. If he continues, this will hands down be his best season.

He has had 1 poor game this season and that was the DEN game. He has had a poor play here and there but other than that he has been solid this season.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Passer rating has always been stupid. Every player always laughed about it. QBR is not perfect but it's a better metric. I'll trust the players and coaches when it comes to this.

which is more accurate

Daniel Jones is a top 10 QB or Daniel Jones is the 19th ranked QB
Derek Carr is a top 10 QB or the 16th ranked QB
Jacoby Brisset is a top 10 QB or the 18th ranked QB
Marcus Mariotta is a 11th ranked QB (LOL) or 17th?

Also the idea that Trever Lawrence andy dalton Goff and the other QBs above are ranked above Jimmy and even Cousins (who imo hasn't played amazingly but definitely well) is laughable it throws out the stat completely

they really need to rework that formula

Just need to wait for more data points.

No.

Yes. That's how this works. The main difference between passer rating and QBR—other than the fact that the former gives credit and blame to the QB that should go to the WRs—is that you can play a bad game and still have a high passer rating. For example, in the 2011-2012 NFCCG, Alex Smith had a 97.6 passer rating. And we were 1-13 on third down, and Alex was 9-23 for 84 yards on all but three passes. Passer rating is too limited to tell the truth about the quarterback.

More data points for a bad formula isn't going to help. You act like there aren't a s**t ton of examples of QB's with high QBR's who played terrible.

Have you heard the mathematical expression "returning to the mean?" Well sometimes you have statistical anomalies. Sometimes you have several in a row. But with enough time, the truth is revealed.

In any event, if we had a competition over who can find more bad games with high ratings, I'd win with passer rating over you with QBR.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Passer rating has always been stupid. Every player always laughed about it. QBR is not perfect but it's a better metric. I'll trust the players and coaches when it comes to this.

which is more accurate

Daniel Jones is a top 10 QB or Daniel Jones is the 19th ranked QB
Derek Carr is a top 10 QB or the 16th ranked QB
Jacoby Brisset is a top 10 QB or the 18th ranked QB
Marcus Mariotta is a 11th ranked QB (LOL) or 17th?

Also the idea that Trever Lawrence andy dalton Goff and the other QBs above are ranked above Jimmy and even Cousins (who imo hasn't played amazingly but definitely well) is laughable it throws out the stat completely

they really need to rework that formula

Just need to wait for more data points.

No.

Yes. That's how this works. The main difference between passer rating and QBR—other than the fact that the former gives credit and blame to the QB that should go to the WRs—is that you can play a bad game and still have a high passer rating. For example, in the 2011-2012 NFCCG, Alex Smith had a 97.6 passer rating. And we were 1-13 on third down, and Alex was 9-23 for 84 yards on all but three passes. Passer rating is too limited to tell the truth about the quarterback.

Not exactly. If receivers aren't getting open (1 of 9 for 3 yards), where is the QB supposed to go with the ball?

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The problem with 2022's Jimmy stats is that he's played at two wild extremes. So the average is not going to tell an accurate picture yet. Lately he's been playing well. If he continues, this will hands down be his best season.

Agreed

I have been critical of 49er QB coaches in recent years. We saw almost no progress from Beathard and Mullins. They were who they were and never changed. Now, due to the fact we are seeing Garoppolo do things he has never done before in terms of seeing the field, extending plays, and making correct reads, I am led to believe that Brian Griese has been the correct hire. Perhaps it is time to give him some

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
saleh would probably give jimmy the bag for '23

If Jimmy plays like this the rest of the year there's gonna be a bidding war.

Jimmy has plenty of money. If things work out in the best possible way (Super Bowl win), he'll take less money to stay here. Book it.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by krizay:
With the exception of his int% he is actually having a very similar statistical season as he did in 2019 with far less talent around him

LOL what? Dude no. The talent on this offense has All Pro level players at every position, and all are still in their prime: McCaffrey: former All Pro. Deebo: former All Pro. Trent Williams: former All Pro. Kittle: former All Pro.

By the end of the season his QBR will be where it always is: in the top third or so of starters.

I meant far less talent in 2019. As in, in 2019 with far less talent he's putting up thr same numbers (except int%).

The credit is being given to his talent this year. Merely pointing out he did the same in 19 with less talent

The problem with 2022's Jimmy stats is that he's played at two wild extremes. So the average is not going to tell an accurate picture yet. Lately he's been playing well. If he continues, this will hands down be his best season.

He has had 1 poor game this season and that was the DEN game. He has had a poor play here and there but other than that he has been solid this season.

He played poorly in Atlanta too. An abysmal 6.00 adjusted yards per attempt, his second lowest passer rating AND QBR of the year, and we converted a mere 37.5% of third downs. By contrast, we've been over 50% the last three games.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
If TL is starting. Open question imo.

He's more than likely the starter in 2023.

This is nothing more than your speculation.

Unless Jimmy is staying for 6 mil again, he gone

I don't assume JG leaving means TL is starting

You don't have to assume, Trey is the starter

Lol no he isn't. We don't have a roster yet for the 2023 team, let alone a depth chart. Last offseason taught me not to be so cavalier with knowing what the team will do at QB. I thought they would move on from JG I was wrong 100%.

Be prepared to be 100% wrong again

This is my motto exactly lol.. expect the unexpected basically

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The problem with 2022's Jimmy stats is that he's played at two wild extremes. So the average is not going to tell an accurate picture yet. Lately he's been playing well. If he continues, this will hands down be his best season.

Agreed

I have been critical of 49er QB coaches in recent years. We saw almost no progress from Beathard and Mullins. They were who they were and never changed. Now, due to the fact we are seeing Garoppolo do things he has never done before in terms of seeing the field, extending plays, and making correct reads, I am led to believe that Brian Griese has been the correct hire. Perhaps it is time to give him some

Yes. I was giving Griese praise some weeks ago. Jimmy has been doing things out of his comfort zone for much of the season.

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
from John Lynch



"COMMAND" of our offense

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
saleh would probably give jimmy the bag for '23

If Jimmy plays like this the rest of the year there's gonna be a bidding war.

Jimmy has plenty of money. If things work out in the best possible way (Super Bowl win), he'll take less money to stay here. Book it.

Spotrac has estimated Garoppolo's market value at $34M/yr with the new cap. That would set him at the #12-14 slot among QBs. If that happened, it would pay him roughly the same value as compared to the cap as his prior contract. As you say, "Book it."

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

What are we apologizing to Jimmy G for? Sorry that you're finally playing well and look like a league average QB finally?

— Rich (@richjmadrid) November 23, 2022

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
saleh would probably give jimmy the bag for '23

If Jimmy plays like this the rest of the year there's gonna be a bidding war.

Jimmy has plenty of money. If things work out in the best possible way (Super Bowl win), he'll take less money to stay here. Book it.

Spotrac has estimated Garoppolo's market value at $34M/yr with the new cap. That would set him at the #12-14 slot among QBs. If that happened, it would pay him roughly the same value as compared to the cap as his prior contract. As you say, "Book it."

Yeah I don't know why people think Jimmy would take $10M a year to be the backup to Trey after playing the way he's been playing this season lol.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Cooper Rush's stats this year:

7 games (5 starts)
150 yards/game
58.4 completion %
6.5 yards/attempt
5 TD's (3.1 TD %)
3 INT's (1.9 INT %)
80.5 QB rating
60.8 QBR (7th in the NFL)