Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

When you do nothing on the group project but still get an A pic.twitter.com/FxIChYvxEh

— NFL Memes (@NFL_Memes) November 14, 2022

Jimmy G saw this and said this week, "Personally, I wouldn't let that slide" and he showed up.

What an awful meme, who ever posted that clearly didn't watch that Chargers game.

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

When you do nothing on the group project but still get an A pic.twitter.com/FxIChYvxEh

— NFL Memes (@NFL_Memes) November 14, 2022

Jimmy G saw this and said this week, "Personally, I wouldn't let that slide" and he showed up.

What an awful meme, who ever posted that clearly didn't watch that Chargers game.

thats S tier memes wut u talking about.

also side note

this is what I'm expecting for Jimmy G when we face Maholmes for the 6th.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:
2022 QBR leaders:

Tagovailoa - 83.1
Mahomes - 78.4
Allen - 73.3
Geno Smith - 67.3
Hurts - 65
Brissett - 62.4
Jackson - 60.6
Carr - 59.1
Daniel Jones - 58.2
Herbert - 57.7
Mariota - 57.1
Burrow - 55.7
Goff - 55.5
Fields - 54.8
Brady - 54.3
Tannehill - 53.1
Lawrence - 51
Dalton - 50.8
Garoppolo - 50.4
Stafford - 50.4
Murray - 46.7
Cousins - 45.7
Wilson - 45.1
Ryan - 45
Pickett - 43
Rodgers - 41.8
Wentz - 33
Wilson - 32.4
Mac Jones - 30.9
Mills - 29.3
Mayfield - 17.8

QBR is complete trash as the results end up being ALL OVER THE PLACE. How/why anyone still cites this is ridiculous to me. A stat should at least somewhat reflect how good/bad a player is, shouldn't it? Meaning, you shouldn't be able to have a good rating for a particular stat, but actually be playing terrible; or vice versa. But that's exactly what happens with QBR. Every year, every week. It's pathetic and totally unreliable.

We know why certain posters are citing it though.

According to QBR, Tua, Mahomes, Allen, Geno, and Hurts are the top 5 QBs and Wentz, Zach Wilson, Jones, Mills, and Mayfield are the 5 worst this season. That doesn't seem that unreasonable, does it?

You're cherry picking. Shocker. Now look at QB rating. Very few outliers, where with QBR there are several (both on the high end and low end). QBR is unreliable. Period.

Passer rating doesn't tell you who the best or worst QB is. It tells you which TEAM has the most or least efficient passing game. It doesn't tell anything about ball placement, it doesn't tell you about QB vs WR contribution, it doesn't tell you about drops or throws under pressure, it says nothing about sacks, throw-aways, spikes, it effectively counts completion percentage twice (via YPA; it rewards a QB around 40 points for completing a zero yard pass [you get a 39.59 rating for 0/1 0 INT passing, and a 79.17 for 1/1 0 yards passing]). But the most important issue is that it doesn't distinguish between QB contribution to a play and WR contribution to a play, and it doesn't even count sacks, while other metrics like QBR both counts sacks and assigns blame according to who is at fault.

In summary, it doesn't tell you when the QB is bailed out, and, on the other side of the coin, it doesn't tell you when the QB overcomes failures by teammates. And so on. Passer rating is at best a quick look at team passing efficiency.

It's better than QBR is the point.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:
2022 QBR leaders:

Tagovailoa - 83.1
Mahomes - 78.4
Allen - 73.3
Geno Smith - 67.3
Hurts - 65
Brissett - 62.4
Jackson - 60.6
Carr - 59.1
Daniel Jones - 58.2
Herbert - 57.7
Mariota - 57.1
Burrow - 55.7
Goff - 55.5
Fields - 54.8
Brady - 54.3
Tannehill - 53.1
Lawrence - 51
Dalton - 50.8
Garoppolo - 50.4
Stafford - 50.4
Murray - 46.7
Cousins - 45.7
Wilson - 45.1
Ryan - 45
Pickett - 43
Rodgers - 41.8
Wentz - 33
Wilson - 32.4
Mac Jones - 30.9
Mills - 29.3
Mayfield - 17.8

QBR is complete trash as the results end up being ALL OVER THE PLACE. How/why anyone still cites this is ridiculous to me. A stat should at least somewhat reflect how good/bad a player is, shouldn't it? Meaning, you shouldn't be able to have a good rating for a particular stat, but actually be playing terrible; or vice versa. But that's exactly what happens with QBR. Every year, every week. It's pathetic and totally unreliable.

We know why certain posters are citing it though.

According to QBR, Tua, Mahomes, Allen, Geno, and Hurts are the top 5 QBs and Wentz, Zach Wilson, Jones, Mills, and Mayfield are the 5 worst this season. That doesn't seem that unreasonable, does it?

You're cherry picking. Shocker. Now look at QB rating. Very few outliers, where with QBR there are several (both on the high end and low end). QBR is unreliable. Period.

Passer rating doesn't tell you who the best or worst QB is. It tells you which TEAM has the most or least efficient passing game. It doesn't tell anything about ball placement, it doesn't tell you about QB vs WR contribution, it doesn't tell you about drops or throws under pressure, it says nothing about sacks, throw-aways, spikes, it effectively counts completion percentage twice (via YPA; it rewards a QB around 40 points for completing a zero yard pass [you get a 39.59 rating for 0/1 0 INT passing, and a 79.17 for 1/1 0 yards passing]). But the most important issue is that it doesn't distinguish between QB contribution to a play and WR contribution to a play, and it doesn't even count sacks, while other metrics like QBR both counts sacks and assigns blame according to who is at fault.

In summary, it doesn't tell you when the QB is bailed out, and, on the other side of the coin, it doesn't tell you when the QB overcomes failures by teammates. And so on. Passer rating is at best a quick look at team passing efficiency.

It's better than QBR is the point.

Passer rating has always been stupid. Every player always laughed about it. QBR is not perfect but it's a better metric. I'll trust the players and coaches when it comes to this.

I'd like to see a comparison between the number of throws completed to running backs before CMC and after.

it looks like having a savvy route runner with great hands lurking around the flat and running scramble drills has upped Jimmy's game considerably.

With a trusted receiver open for a safe check down, Jimmy seems like he isn't forcing the ball into tight coverage in the middle of field as often.

I think this is real CMC effect on our offense

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:
2022 QBR leaders:

Tagovailoa - 83.1
Mahomes - 78.4
Allen - 73.3
Geno Smith - 67.3
Hurts - 65
Brissett - 62.4
Jackson - 60.6
Carr - 59.1
Daniel Jones - 58.2
Herbert - 57.7
Mariota - 57.1
Burrow - 55.7
Goff - 55.5
Fields - 54.8
Brady - 54.3
Tannehill - 53.1
Lawrence - 51
Dalton - 50.8
Garoppolo - 50.4
Stafford - 50.4
Murray - 46.7
Cousins - 45.7
Wilson - 45.1
Ryan - 45
Pickett - 43
Rodgers - 41.8
Wentz - 33
Wilson - 32.4
Mac Jones - 30.9
Mills - 29.3
Mayfield - 17.8

QBR is complete trash as the results end up being ALL OVER THE PLACE. How/why anyone still cites this is ridiculous to me. A stat should at least somewhat reflect how good/bad a player is, shouldn't it? Meaning, you shouldn't be able to have a good rating for a particular stat, but actually be playing terrible; or vice versa. But that's exactly what happens with QBR. Every year, every week. It's pathetic and totally unreliable.

We know why certain posters are citing it though.

According to QBR, Tua, Mahomes, Allen, Geno, and Hurts are the top 5 QBs and Wentz, Zach Wilson, Jones, Mills, and Mayfield are the 5 worst this season. That doesn't seem that unreasonable, does it?

You're cherry picking. Shocker. Now look at QB rating. Very few outliers, where with QBR there are several (both on the high end and low end). QBR is unreliable. Period.

Passer rating doesn't tell you who the best or worst QB is. It tells you which TEAM has the most or least efficient passing game. It doesn't tell anything about ball placement, it doesn't tell you about QB vs WR contribution, it doesn't tell you about drops or throws under pressure, it says nothing about sacks, throw-aways, spikes, it effectively counts completion percentage twice (via YPA; it rewards a QB around 40 points for completing a zero yard pass [you get a 39.59 rating for 0/1 0 INT passing, and a 79.17 for 1/1 0 yards passing]). But the most important issue is that it doesn't distinguish between QB contribution to a play and WR contribution to a play, and it doesn't even count sacks, while other metrics like QBR both counts sacks and assigns blame according to who is at fault.

In summary, it doesn't tell you when the QB is bailed out, and, on the other side of the coin, it doesn't tell you when the QB overcomes failures by teammates. And so on. Passer rating is at best a quick look at team passing efficiency.

It's better than QBR is the point.

Passer rating has always been stupid. Every player always laughed about it. QBR is not perfect but it's a better metric. I'll trust the players and coaches when it comes to this.

Link or GTFO.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I'd like to see a comparison between the number of throws completed to running backs before CMC and after.

it looks like having a savvy route runner with great hands lurking around the flat and running scramble drills has upped Jimmy's game considerably.

With a trusted receiver open for a safe check down, Jimmy seems like he isn't forcing the ball into tight coverage in the middle of field as often.

I think this is real CMC effect on our offense

I wonder why Panthers QB's weren't having similar passing success since they had the "CMC effect" as well.

Look I'm not discrediting CMC, he's great and is the ideal outlet. But it's not like Jimmy is throwing the majority of his passes to him.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I'd like to see a comparison between the number of throws completed to running backs before CMC and after.

it looks like having a savvy route runner with great hands lurking around the flat and running scramble drills has upped Jimmy's game considerably.

With a trusted receiver open for a safe check down, Jimmy seems like he isn't forcing the ball into tight coverage in the middle of field as often.

I think this is real CMC effect on our offense

I wonder why Panthers QB's weren't having similar passing success since they had the "CMC effect" as well.

Look I'm not discrediting CMC, he's great and is the ideal outlet. But it's not like Jimmy is throwing the majority of his passes to him.

Correct. He is only throwing 27% of his passes to CMC over the last 3 games. That is definitely not a majority.

Edit: CMC has been targeted 24 times since his arrival. All other RB's have combined for 18 targets this season.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by krizay:
With the exception of his int% he is actually having a very similar statistical season as he did in 2019 with far less talent around him

LOL what? Dude no. The talent on this offense has All Pro level players at every position, and all are still in their prime: McCaffrey: former All Pro. Deebo: former All Pro. Trent Williams: former All Pro. Kittle: former All Pro.

By the end of the season his QBR will be where it always is: in the top third or so of starters.

I meant far less talent in 2019. As in, in 2019 with far less talent he's putting up thr same numbers (except int%).

The credit is being given to his talent this year. Merely pointing out he did the same in 19 with less talent

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I'd like to see a comparison between the number of throws completed to running backs before CMC and after.

it looks like having a savvy route runner with great hands lurking around the flat and running scramble drills has upped Jimmy's game considerably.

With a trusted receiver open for a safe check down, Jimmy seems like he isn't forcing the ball into tight coverage in the middle of field as often.

I think this is real CMC effect on our offense

I wonder why Panthers QB's weren't having similar passing success since they had the "CMC effect" as well.

Look I'm not discrediting CMC, he's great and is the ideal outlet. But it's not like Jimmy is throwing the majority of his passes to him.

Correct. He is only throwing 27% of his passes to CMC over the last 3 games.

obviously he is a huge mismatch but the real value is the safety dump offs which could go for 7 yards. Not a coincidence we improved so much in 3rd downs since he came we are now a top 5 team in 3rd down conversion and that rank will increase as the season goes on.

I was always a bit surprised why we didnt target the RB more in this era considering how much he targeted RBs in Atlanta but i think its clear we just didnt have the RB for that i think Mckinnon was supposed to be that guy before he got injured and now we have CMC who is the best in NFL as a receiving threat

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I'd like to see a comparison between the number of throws completed to running backs before CMC and after.

it looks like having a savvy route runner with great hands lurking around the flat and running scramble drills has upped Jimmy's game considerably.

With a trusted receiver open for a safe check down, Jimmy seems like he isn't forcing the ball into tight coverage in the middle of field as often.

I think this is real CMC effect on our offense

I wonder why Panthers QB's weren't having similar passing success since they had the "CMC effect" as well.

Look I'm not discrediting CMC, he's great and is the ideal outlet. But it's not like Jimmy is throwing the majority of his passes to him.

Correct. He is only throwing 27% of his passes to CMC over the last 3 games.

obviously he is a huge mismatch but the real value is the safety dump offs which could go for 7 yards

I edited my post you quoted.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I'd like to see a comparison between the number of throws completed to running backs before CMC and after.

it looks like having a savvy route runner with great hands lurking around the flat and running scramble drills has upped Jimmy's game considerably.

With a trusted receiver open for a safe check down, Jimmy seems like he isn't forcing the ball into tight coverage in the middle of field as often.

I think this is real CMC effect on our offense

I wonder why Panthers QB's weren't having similar passing success since they had the "CMC effect" as well.

Look I'm not discrediting CMC, he's great and is the ideal outlet. But it's not like Jimmy is throwing the majority of his passes to him.

They didn't have the CMC effect because they simply weren't as good as Jimmy.

just watch the game closely, Jimmy always seems to have one eye on CMC

if CMC draws coverage, say more then Wilson or Mostert did, he looks away and some else is open, like on the Kittle score that came off schedule.

Jimmy was better with Trent Taylor until the injury. having a crafty route runner that always seems to be open for a check down makes any QB better.

CMC is one of the greatest check down options I've ever seen, and I believe that comfort zone has made Jimmy less likely to force the ball into tight coverage and will lead to fewer picks

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

When you do nothing on the group project but still get an A pic.twitter.com/FxIChYvxEh

— NFL Memes (@NFL_Memes) November 14, 2022

Jimmy G saw this and said this week, "Personally, I wouldn't let that slide" and he showed up.

Patrick Mahomes is 5-1 when scoring exactly 0 passing touchdowns in his career.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Passer rating has always been stupid. Every player always laughed about it. QBR is not perfect but it's a better metric. I'll trust the players and coaches when it comes to this.

which is more accurate

Daniel Jones is a top 10 QB or Daniel Jones is the 19th ranked QB
Derek Carr is a top 10 QB or the 16th ranked QB
Jacoby Brisset is a top 10 QB or the 18th ranked QB
Marcus Mariotta is a 11th ranked QB (LOL) or 17th?

Also the idea that Trever Lawrence andy dalton Goff and the other QBs above are ranked above Jimmy and even Cousins (who imo hasn't played amazingly but definitely well) is laughable it throws out the stat completely

they really need to rework that formula

Originally posted by ritz126:
which is more accurate

Daniel Jones is a top 10 QB or Daniel Jones is the 19th ranked QB
Derek Carr is a top 10 QB or the 16th ranked QB
Jacoby Brisset is a top 10 QB or the 18th ranked QB
Marcus Mariotta is a 11th ranked QB (LOL) or 17th?

Also the idea that Trever Lawrence andy dalton Goff and the other QBs above are ranked above Jimmy and even Cousins (who imo hasn't played amazingly but definitely well) is laughable it throws out the stat completely

they really need to rework that formula

The problem IMO is people like to use life time achievements and/or preconceived rankings as to where someone should be. When in fact these ratings, while not perfect, are based on current play/statistics.