Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree. My preference would be to keep Jimmy until just before the week one roster is set in case there is an injury out there. People will restructure to make room for a quarterback, and Jimmy would have to approve any job where he keeps his $25m and starts, because he can't get that otherwise. Putting him on the roster for week one guarantees his contract, and I would not do that. Maybe a desperate team would still pick up his contract, but then they wouldn't want to pay us draft capital too, and all of that is unlikely, so we might as well just cut him before the season.

Bottom line, if nothing better materializes before the season, just cut him. It's a cap league, and it can be moved from year to year, so imo, all talk of not "needing" it this year or next is insane. If he's not our intended starter for the season, and he's not, just move on.

Yep just cut Jimmy and start a rookie with Rosen or Sudfeld backing him up because it's more important to have cap space than a legitimate proven backup QB behind a rookie, it was proven last season after Jimmy went down the offense didn't miss a single beat with Mullens and Beathard. Makes sense

Of course we "missed a beat" with Mullens and Beathard, I don't know what we have with Rosen or Sudfeld but Sudfeld's deal is partially guaranteed so somebody must see something, and what I was alluding to was perhaps picking up someone like Gardner Minshew for a lot cheaper than Garoppolo, but I'm just going to leave that up to our FO. Fact is that most quarterbacks don't miss significant time in a given year, and paying your backup high starter money is stupid.

Ownership already gave JL and the FO the green light to carry Jimmy's cap salary for this year so it's not stupid. What's stupid is starting a rookie QB without a legit backup behind him. You said it yourself you don't know what we have in Rosen and Sudfeld, we do in Jimmy. Bringing in Minshew a week before the season starts makes even no sense at all. It's a physical contact sport what if Lance gets injure in the first week, then what? Is Minshew good enough to carry the team after learning KS's playbook in a week? I don't think so.

Let me ask you this. IF Lance gets injure on the first week, who would you rather have to replace him and gives the team the better chance to win. Rosen, Sudfeld, Minshew or Jimmy G??

Minshew, and we don't need to wait until the week before the season starts to ship off a 7th for him.

And just because York lets his football minds run football operations does not mean every available option is by definition not stupid. For the record, I do not believe Lynch and Shanahan are stupid, and therefore, I believe they will do everything they can to maintain Garoppolo's trade value until the last possible moment, and I do not believe they will pay his current salary to ride the pine behind Lynch.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean there was a report Tommy wanted Jimmy out of NE as well….just saying

And Tom claimed those reports were false (although if true it seems pretty obvious he likely would deny anyhow). But Jimmy has mentioned they still talk from time to time.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its funny that there are actual NFL analysts and talking heads who believe this is about Jimmy, but people know it is about someone else.

The simple fact of the matter is, only Tom Brady (or people he explicitly told) knows who he was talking about. The talking heads dont. The posters on WZ certainly dont. Nothing but guesses from either side of the discussion.

As my OP stated, the comments make sense for any of the QBs. I mean it could be JG, but if there is truth to them have a good relationship and friendship then the comments don't seem to point to JG.

Nobody knows though like you said.

I'd say Tom and Jimmy have about as close of a relationship as Rodgers and Favre or Young and Montana. I'm sure some people can figure it out. If you choose to not narrow it down to a best guess scenario that's on you. To me it's pretty obvious

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree. My preference would be to keep Jimmy until just before the week one roster is set in case there is an injury out there. People will restructure to make room for a quarterback, and Jimmy would have to approve any job where he keeps his $25m and starts, because he can't get that otherwise. Putting him on the roster for week one guarantees his contract, and I would not do that. Maybe a desperate team would still pick up his contract, but then they wouldn't want to pay us draft capital too, and all of that is unlikely, so we might as well just cut him before the season.

Bottom line, if nothing better materializes before the season, just cut him. It's a cap league, and it can be moved from year to year, so imo, all talk of not "needing" it this year or next is insane. If he's not our intended starter for the season, and he's not, just move on.

Yeah that's not going to happen. The scenario is Jimmy taking a pay cut in exchange to be released after the year rather than traded. At that point he can choose where he wants to go and sign a deal accordingly.

Edit: The savings from the pay cut can roll over to next yea5m r to help give cap relief for next years cap which is already projected to be tight.

This is only if Jimmy is going to be the backup. Otherwise they pay him in full this year and hope he balls out to increase his trade value

Yeah, that's not going to happen. If you ask someone to take a pay cut, you do it with the implied threat that either you do, or you will be cut. If I'm Jimmy, I'll take the cut, and go and make my own deal. He's not going to get $25m either way, but he gets to choose where he goes and can hope to compete for a starting job. Can you say "New England?"

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Eli_23:
Tom Brady called him a motherf**ker lolz

Just updated myself on his latest comments,...lol. Certainly shots fired our way.

Those comments also make sense for any of the other teams who had interest in Brady :

Tennessee (Tannehill)
LA Chargers (Tyrod Taylor)
Chicago (Mitch Trubisky)
Las Vegas (Derek Carr)

The only one Brady actually knows and would make a comment like that would be Jimmy though. That's the kind of comment someone makes when they know the guy. IMO

Now we agree. Brady tore up the organization to get Garoppolo outta there.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree. My preference would be to keep Jimmy until just before the week one roster is set in case there is an injury out there. People will restructure to make room for a quarterback, and Jimmy would have to approve any job where he keeps his $25m and starts, because he can't get that otherwise. Putting him on the roster for week one guarantees his contract, and I would not do that. Maybe a desperate team would still pick up his contract, but then they wouldn't want to pay us draft capital too, and all of that is unlikely, so we might as well just cut him before the season.

Bottom line, if nothing better materializes before the season, just cut him. It's a cap league, and it can be moved from year to year, so imo, all talk of not "needing" it this year or next is insane. If he's not our intended starter for the season, and he's not, just move on.

Yeah that's not going to happen. The scenario is Jimmy taking a pay cut in exchange to be released after the year rather than traded. At that point he can choose where he wants to go and sign a deal accordingly.

Edit: The savings from the pay cut can roll over to next yea5m r to help give cap relief for next years cap which is already projected to be tight.

This is only if Jimmy is going to be the backup. Otherwise they pay him in full this year and hope he balls out to increase his trade value

Yeah, that's not going to happen. If you ask someone to take a pay cut, you do it with the implied threat that either you do, or you will be cut. If I'm Jimmy, I'll take the cut, and go and make my own deal. He's not going to get $25m either way, but he gets to choose where he goes and can hope to compete for a starting job. Can you say "New England?"

He's not getting cut this year. Everything else you say after that is drivel. Your business ethics suck and you don't just try and punk people to take a pay cut. It's called compromise. If players find out the way you'd want to treat these guys no FA would want to come here.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Eli_23:
Tom Brady called him a motherf**ker lolz

Just updated myself on his latest comments,...lol. Certainly shots fired our way.

Those comments also make sense for any of the other teams who had interest in Brady :

Tennessee (Tannehill)
LA Chargers (Tyrod Taylor)
Chicago (Mitch Trubisky)
Las Vegas (Derek Carr)

The only one Brady actually knows and would make a comment like that would be Jimmy though. That's the kind of comment someone makes when they know the guy. IMO

Now we agree. Brady tore up the organization to get Garoppolo outta there.

Agreed on this one for sure.

Lol I love the Jimmy hater tabloids.

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree. My preference would be to keep Jimmy until just before the week one roster is set in case there is an injury out there. People will restructure to make room for a quarterback, and Jimmy would have to approve any job where he keeps his $25m and starts, because he can't get that otherwise. Putting him on the roster for week one guarantees his contract, and I would not do that. Maybe a desperate team would still pick up his contract, but then they wouldn't want to pay us draft capital too, and all of that is unlikely, so we might as well just cut him before the season.

Bottom line, if nothing better materializes before the season, just cut him. It's a cap league, and it can be moved from year to year, so imo, all talk of not "needing" it this year or next is insane. If he's not our intended starter for the season, and he's not, just move on.

Yeah that's not going to happen. The scenario is Jimmy taking a pay cut in exchange to be released after the year rather than traded. At that point he can choose where he wants to go and sign a deal accordingly.

Edit: The savings from the pay cut can roll over to next yea5m r to help give cap relief for next years cap which is already projected to be tight.

This is only if Jimmy is going to be the backup. Otherwise they pay him in full this year and hope he balls out to increase his trade value

Yeah, that's not going to happen. If you ask someone to take a pay cut, you do it with the implied threat that either you do, or you will be cut. If I'm Jimmy, I'll take the cut, and go and make my own deal. He's not going to get $25m either way, but he gets to choose where he goes and can hope to compete for a starting job. Can you say "New England?"

He's not getting cut this year. Everything else you say after that is drivel. Your business ethics suck and you don't just try and punk people to take a pay cut. It's called compromise. If players find out the way you'd want to treat these guys no FA would want to come here.

That's just naive. You don't ask someone to take a pay cut, hear "no", and say Oh, OK. That's how to destroy your credibility and your ethics reputation. Better to be straight with people. If you tell someone they are going to need you to take less for us to keep you here, and you don't, That is punking people.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree. My preference would be to keep Jimmy until just before the week one roster is set in case there is an injury out there. People will restructure to make room for a quarterback, and Jimmy would have to approve any job where he keeps his $25m and starts, because he can't get that otherwise. Putting him on the roster for week one guarantees his contract, and I would not do that. Maybe a desperate team would still pick up his contract, but then they wouldn't want to pay us draft capital too, and all of that is unlikely, so we might as well just cut him before the season.

Bottom line, if nothing better materializes before the season, just cut him. It's a cap league, and it can be moved from year to year, so imo, all talk of not "needing" it this year or next is insane. If he's not our intended starter for the season, and he's not, just move on.

Yeah that's not going to happen. The scenario is Jimmy taking a pay cut in exchange to be released after the year rather than traded. At that point he can choose where he wants to go and sign a deal accordingly.

Edit: The savings from the pay cut can roll over to next yea5m r to help give cap relief for next years cap which is already projected to be tight.

This is only if Jimmy is going to be the backup. Otherwise they pay him in full this year and hope he balls out to increase his trade value

Yeah, that's not going to happen. If you ask someone to take a pay cut, you do it with the implied threat that either you do, or you will be cut. If I'm Jimmy, I'll take the cut, and go and make my own deal. He's not going to get $25m either way, but he gets to choose where he goes and can hope to compete for a starting job. Can you say "New England?"

He's not getting cut this year. Everything else you say after that is drivel. Your business ethics suck and you don't just try and punk people to take a pay cut. It's called compromise. If players find out the way you'd want to treat these guys no FA would want to come here.

That's just naive. You don't ask someone to take a pay cut, hear "no", and say Oh, OK. That's how to destroy your credibility and your ethics reputation. Better to be straight with people. If you tell someone they are going to need you to take less for us to keep you here, and you don't, That is punking people.

They'd actually be giving him the option. He takes a pay cut and is free next year or stays at the full salary and gets traded wherever they see fit. Either way the Niners still have the upper hand and there's no damage done to their credibility or ethics. The ball would be in Jimmy's court. That's about as straight as they could shoot it. At the same time the cutting him this year option is not an option. They're already invested in Jimmy and Trey this year no matter how you slice it.

Originally posted by Howlett49:
They'd actually be giving him the option. He takes a pay cut and is free next year or stays at the full salary and gets traded wherever they see fit. Either way the Niners still have the upper hand and there's no damage done to their credibility or ethics. The ball would be in Jimmy's court. That's about as straight as they could shoot it. At the same time the cutting him this year option is not an option. They're already invested in Jimmy and Trey this year no matter how you slice it.

Yeah I don't think that's true at all. Cutting him is always an option, why do you think the deal was structured that way to begin with.

Originally posted by Howlett49:
I'd say Tom and Jimmy have about as close of a relationship as Rodgers and Favre or Young and Montana. I'm sure some people can figure it out. If you choose to not narrow it down to a best guess scenario that's on you. To me it's pretty obvious

Maybe they do maybe they don't. Assuming one knows the relationship with certainty is kinda silly because one doesn't actually know.

What we do know is both have said they have a good relationship and friendship with each other. Both have alluded to beings friends and still keeping in touch. Let's not forget Tom texted Jim before the SB to wish him luck and told him to go win.

And WRT to Tom forcing JG out, yes that was one rumor. Another rumor was that Kraft forced the trade on Bill. Nobody here truly knows where the truth lays in that situation and why JG was forced out.

The only thing I am certain about is that anyone who is certain they know why JG was forced out or if those comments were directed at JG is certainly guessing.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
They'd actually be giving him the option. He takes a pay cut and is free next year or stays at the full salary and gets traded wherever they see fit. Either way the Niners still have the upper hand and there's no damage done to their credibility or ethics. The ball would be in Jimmy's court. That's about as straight as they could shoot it. At the same time the cutting him this year option is not an option. They're already invested in Jimmy and Trey this year no matter how you slice it.

Yeah I don't think that's true at all. Cutting him is always an option, why do you think the deal was structured that way to begin with.

They're not going to weaken the QB room and cut Jimmy outright, THIS year. It seems that you are stuck thinking that is plausible. The scenario originally presented is a scenario that affects NEXT year. If you don't agree with that then we must agree to disagree otherwise our arguments are going nowhere.

Cut Jimmy, Trey goes down(God forbid) and suddenly were in the same position as last year basically.

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree. My preference would be to keep Jimmy until just before the week one roster is set in case there is an injury out there. People will restructure to make room for a quarterback, and Jimmy would have to approve any job where he keeps his $25m and starts, because he can't get that otherwise. Putting him on the roster for week one guarantees his contract, and I would not do that. Maybe a desperate team would still pick up his contract, but then they wouldn't want to pay us draft capital too, and all of that is unlikely, so we might as well just cut him before the season.

Bottom line, if nothing better materializes before the season, just cut him. It's a cap league, and it can be moved from year to year, so imo, all talk of not "needing" it this year or next is insane. If he's not our intended starter for the season, and he's not, just move on.

Yeah that's not going to happen. The scenario is Jimmy taking a pay cut in exchange to be released after the year rather than traded. At that point he can choose where he wants to go and sign a deal accordingly.

Edit: The savings from the pay cut can roll over to next yea5m r to help give cap relief for next years cap which is already projected to be tight.

This is only if Jimmy is going to be the backup. Otherwise they pay him in full this year and hope he balls out to increase his trade value

Yeah, that's not going to happen. If you ask someone to take a pay cut, you do it with the implied threat that either you do, or you will be cut. If I'm Jimmy, I'll take the cut, and go and make my own deal. He's not going to get $25m either way, but he gets to choose where he goes and can hope to compete for a starting job. Can you say "New England?"

He's not getting cut this year. Everything else you say after that is drivel. Your business ethics suck and you don't just try and punk people to take a pay cut. It's called compromise. If players find out the way you'd want to treat these guys no FA would want to come here.

That's just naive. You don't ask someone to take a pay cut, hear "no", and say Oh, OK. That's how to destroy your credibility and your ethics reputation. Better to be straight with people. If you tell someone they are going to need you to take less for us to keep you here, and you don't, That is punking people.

They'd actually be giving him the option. He takes a pay cut and is free next year or stays at the full salary and gets traded wherever they see fit. Either way the Niners still have the upper hand and there's no damage done to their credibility or ethics. The ball would be in Jimmy's court. That's about as straight as they could shoot it. At the same time the cutting him this year option is not an option. They're already invested in Jimmy and Trey this year no matter how you slice it.

They are Not invested in Jimmy this year. They save about $25m if they were to cut him. You are invested in Jimmy this year.

If you tell someone you need them to take less for the team to be able to fit you under the cap, that does not imply it's not open to negotiation. It does imply that if you can't reach agreement, you will part ways.

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
They'd actually be giving him the option. He takes a pay cut and is free next year or stays at the full salary and gets traded wherever they see fit. Either way the Niners still have the upper hand and there's no damage done to their credibility or ethics. The ball would be in Jimmy's court. That's about as straight as they could shoot it. At the same time the cutting him this year option is not an option. They're already invested in Jimmy and Trey this year no matter how you slice it.

Yeah I don't think that's true at all. Cutting him is always an option, why do you think the deal was structured that way to begin with.

They're not going to weaken the QB room and cut Jimmy outright, THIS year. It seems that you are stuck thinking that is plausible. The scenario originally presented is a scenario that affects NEXT year. If you don't agree with that then we must agree to disagree otherwise our arguments are going nowhere.

Don't confuse me with the other poster you were arguing with. I'm not stuck thinking anything, just disagree with you saying that cutting him is not an option, it most definitely is. The damn contract was written that way for EXACTLY that reason, to have minimal consequences for cutting him this year or next. Will they? That's another topic, but the option being there is not debatable.