Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheBhagwan:

Originally posted by SoCold:

1. deebo on the flat wide open
2. terrell suggs (37 years old) either covered deebo or kittle
3. suggs went with kittle
4. hey jimmy! the bait worked! why not go back to deebo?

PS: notice how deebo was waiting for the pass.. just imagine suggs trying to catch deebo

insert pain here: ________________________

I'm sorry but I'd take Kittle on Suggs 100% of the time. If Jones doesn't bat that down it's an easy first down +

Weren't people complaining that Jimmy wasn't going to Kittle on enough plays? You get a primed for retirement DE on Kittle and it's a slam dunk look.

Throwing to Deebo there you can't throw a rope since your OLmen can get into the lane so you have to lob it over to ensure it gets there, allows defenders to converge on the play. Let's be honest KC played a lot of our passes to the flat very well.

From the endzone, kittle was open. This is the same play we ran against MIN to set up our first TD, literally, same play, it's designed to go to Kittle so get off of Jimny's balls about not throwing it to Deebo. It's a designed freaking play.

It's not Jimmy's fault 3 offensive lineman couldn't figure out that someone needs to palm punch Chris Jones in the ribs to get hai hands down(literally, that's what they're supposed to do). Inexcusable on McG, Person and Garland.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SBorBust:

Originally posted by VA9erfan:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
To the all the Garoppolo haters, doubters, blamers.....enough of the "he did this wrong, he did that poorly, didn't throw it to so and so, he stinks, he's a game manager" comments. I want to hear your alternatives at QB for the Niners and why he would be an automatic upgrade at the position.

How about a QB that make more than one read? How about a QB that make the correct read? How about a mobile QB?

Fair enough......who you got?

Someone in the draft. In april of 2000, I am pretty sure a lot more teams would be biting on Tom Brady if they knew who he'd turn out to be, rather than teams passing on him 5 times.

You miss on 100% of the chances you don't take. Just because the premium QB may not be there at our pick, doesn't mean you can't take a chance on someone in the later rounds, or in the early round if someone falls to the staff whose ceiling they love more than Jimmy G's. We aren't tied to only choosing QB's from free agency, and there's nothing wrong with thinking Jimmy G isn't the answer but drafting someone and letting them sit a year behind him as well.

Complains that we don't have a mobile QB, says we should draft a mobile QB, uses Tom Brady (the most immobile QB in the league) as an example.

We didnt't have offensive line like Brady and probable never will - also Brady could make better reads.

In his first full season in the league? No.

And I agree, we need to build up our OL. Good point.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
i still can't tell exactly who he was targeting.

but it doesn't matter. the play design worked. Jimmy could've hit either one. that play clearly isn't shanny or Jimmy's "fault". Jones made a play. just have to tip your hat and move on

I'm late to that convo, but yeah it doesn't matter who he was targeting. All three guys were open. The fault is the OLmen not punching Chris Jones in the ribs to prevent him from being able to bat the ball down. On a quick rhythm passing play, those OLmen have to know and block for it.

THE RULE regarding batted balls has always been..

DROP your QB deeper so that he can see his passing lanes even better...

Shanahan of all people should have known that... from the PITTSBURGH game all the way to the BALTIMORE and GREEN BAY, this was happening..

HOW is it that Brees - Russell - Murray are all shorter than Jimmy but hardly gets their passes batted down by an OL ??

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheBhagwan:

Originally posted by SoCold:

1. deebo on the flat wide open
2. terrell suggs (37 years old) either covered deebo or kittle
3. suggs went with kittle
4. hey jimmy! the bait worked! why not go back to deebo?

PS: notice how deebo was waiting for the pass.. just imagine suggs trying to catch deebo

insert pain here: ________________________

I'm sorry but I'd take Kittle on Suggs 100% of the time. If Jones doesn't bat that down it's an easy first down +

Weren't people complaining that Jimmy wasn't going to Kittle on enough plays? You get a primed for retirement DE on Kittle and it's a slam dunk look.

Throwing to Deebo there you can't throw a rope since your OLmen can get into the lane so you have to lob it over to ensure it gets there, allows defenders to converge on the play. Let's be honest KC played a lot of our passes to the flat very well.

From the endzone, kittle was open. This is the same play we ran against MIN to set up our first TD, literally, same play, it's designed to go to Kittle so get off of Jimny's balls about not throwing it to Deebo. It's a designed freaking play.

It's not Jimmy's fault 3 offensive lineman couldn't figure out that someone needs to palm punch Chris Jones in the ribs to get hai hands down(literally, that's what they're supposed to do). Inexcusable on McG, Person and Garland.

This. Also the CB is sitting in the flat, not getting depth, so Deebo is not "wide open." He looks open if you don't understand football. By the time the ball gets there that CB would be all over him. And the negative nancies would saying "KITTLE WAS WIDE OPEN."

Originally posted by SBorBust:
Lets be honest with ourselves about Jimmy G. Could he get better? Sure. How much better? Probably not enough to warrant sticking to him for the next 10 years.

Jimmy Garoppolo's 4th Qtr Passer Rating (2.8) ranks 42nd of the 42 starting QB's in the Super Bowl since the stat was tracked in 1999 by @pfref "Tweet by Boston Sports Info"

Jimmy G everyone says who is clutch, was completely out played by Mahomes in the 4th quarter. Make no mistake, our defense and coaching staff helped with contributing to our loss in the fourth quarter, but when your defense/special teams, and coaching staff holds the KC offense to 10 points with 8minutes left to go in the 4th quarter, you need to seal the deal as a quarterback, and if you hadn't already done it in the last 3 quarters, you need to do it in the 4th with your 10 point lead.

how can you possibly f**king know that?

Originally posted by SBorBust:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by SBorBust:
Where is the lack of knowledge? Nothing I said is un-true, not one part. Maybe the way you perceive those stats and facts is different than the way I perceive them, but if thats the case, explain how your perception makes better sense than my perception. I would love to have a discussion with you about it.

Just reading your posts, it stands out clear as day. Been watching football closely for 44 years so just calling it like I see it. Not going to dissect your posts sentence by sentence - not worth my time - but when I see B.S. comments from you like, "Make no mistake about it, we were a quarterback away from winning the superbowl", that's all I need to read.

Ahh yes The typical "I know more than you, but I don't need to explain it to the likes of you". If that was the case, why bother replying in the first place? Maybe you should adopt a twitter account rather than partake on a forum that sounds better for that type of an attitude.

Simple answer, if we trade QB's with KC that game, we are superbowl champions.

In case you missed it, from PFF "You can look at performance under pressure for both quarterbacks as one of the biggest deciding factors in the game. When the Chiefs' pass rush hit home on Jimmy Garoppolo, he folded. Garoppolo completed just one of his nine attempts under pressure for 20 yards and two interceptions. The difference between how he handled the pocket breaking down compared to Mahomes is a big reason that Mahomes and the Chiefs were the ones lifting the Lombardi Trophy."

You seem to rely mainly on stats and quotes from the media. I'll continue to rely on a combination of stats + what I see with my own eyes in watching the game closely, especially Garoppolo in watching him closely since he joined the league as a Patriot up until the game this past Sunday. Adding to that, I'll also include what I've heard about Garoppolo from what I consider "football people", i.e., former coaches, players, etc., who have been there, done that, and provide credible insight.

I like what I've seen from Garoppolo, the progress he's made and continues to make, from his early days in this league up until now. I also really like the foundation/coaching he has under him. Did he have a great game Sunday? No, not at all, but he wasn't terrible - I thought he was so-so (he & the team were half a Qtr. away from a SB win Sunday - yes, you have to finish).

I, along with many fellow long-time Niners fans, have a pretty high standard at QB having watched closely Montana and then Young. That said, you immediately keep reality in mind in knowing most QBs coming through aren't anywhere near the level of a Montana or Young - unfortunately, we've seen this proven too much in watching this team during the recent down years.

Not saying Garoppolo will be as good as those guys - not comparing him to them, especially at this early stage of his career - but after 29 total NFL games as a starting NFL QB, I clearly continue to see the overall QB talent, competitiveness, & big picture with him in getting better & better, especially in working with Shanahan. Count me as one who's extremely glad he's leading this team next year and beyond. No one can be 100% right, 100% sure at this point. But just providing context & perspective re: my point of view on him from being a long-time fan of this team and the game of football.

Since your thinking and mine are nowhere near being in the same ballpark, we'll leave it as agree to completely disagree.

Originally posted by VA9erfan:

To the all the Garoppolo haters, doubters, blamers.....enough of the "he did this wrong, he did that poorly, didn't throw it to so and so, he stinks, he's a game manager" comments. I want to hear your alternatives at QB for the Niners and why he would be an automatic upgrade at the position.

The answer may already be on the roster. Mullens. Not I think he's better than Jimmy but that 22 million dollars of cap space would mean a better team surrounding Nick. We may lose AA and Ward this season. Given the choice between a system qb or keeping a dominant d I'd take the latter and trust Shanny.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
how can you possibly f**king know that?

I didn't say I know, I said "probably not", and I definitely think if you are reading it with an open mind you can definitely tell its an opinion rather than fact since I am not clairvoyant by any means....

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

"That's what people will remember. That's the world we live in. You've just got to own up to it and be a man about it. It will fuel us this offseason. It will fuel me especially, to come back better." - Jimmy Garoppolo

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) February 5, 2020

I like it - what I want to hear from a starting QB, especially after a tough SB game. Looking forward to seeing him & the team grow & improve from an excellent 2019-20 season & the SB experience!

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheBhagwan:

Originally posted by SoCold:

1. deebo on the flat wide open
2. terrell suggs (37 years old) either covered deebo or kittle
3. suggs went with kittle
4. hey jimmy! the bait worked! why not go back to deebo?

PS: notice how deebo was waiting for the pass.. just imagine suggs trying to catch deebo

insert pain here: ________________________

I'm sorry but I'd take Kittle on Suggs 100% of the time. If Jones doesn't bat that down it's an easy first down +

Weren't people complaining that Jimmy wasn't going to Kittle on enough plays? You get a primed for retirement DE on Kittle and it's a slam dunk look.

Throwing to Deebo there you can't throw a rope since your OLmen can get into the lane so you have to lob it over to ensure it gets there, allows defenders to converge on the play. Let's be honest KC played a lot of our passes to the flat very well.

From the endzone, kittle was open. This is the same play we ran against MIN to set up our first TD, literally, same play, it's designed to go to Kittle so get off of Jimny's balls about not throwing it to Deebo. It's a designed freaking play.

It's not Jimmy's fault 3 offensive lineman couldn't figure out that someone needs to palm punch Chris Jones in the ribs to get hai hands down(literally, that's what they're supposed to do). Inexcusable on McG, Person and Garland.

it's good to have you back

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
i still can't tell exactly who he was targeting.

but it doesn't matter. the play design worked. Jimmy could've hit either one. that play clearly isn't shanny or Jimmy's "fault". Jones made a play. just have to tip your hat and move on

I'm late to that convo, but yeah it doesn't matter who he was targeting. All three guys were open. The fault is the OLmen not punching Chris Jones in the ribs to prevent him from being able to bat the ball down. On a quick rhythm passing play, those OLmen have to know and block for it.

THE RULE regarding batted balls has always been..

DROP your QB deeper so that he can see his passing lanes even better...

Shanahan of all people should have known that... from the PITTSBURGH game all the way to the BALTIMORE and GREEN BAY, this was happening..

HOW is it that Brees - Russell - Murray are all shorter than Jimmy but hardly gets their passes batted down by an OL ??

the drop of a QB is predicated based off the routes and how depth at which they are run....not the QB's ability to see over the o-line

These people that want to trade Jimmy are just pissed off and over reacting. The only replacements you could get would be vets at the end of their career who would want a ton of money or free agent cast offs. I might consider trading him for the #1 pick overall so I could take my pick of the young QBs but I doubt any team would do that for a 28 year old QB. I'm not sure any of the young guys fit Kyle's system. Herbert might but I'm not as high on him as some people are. I saw too many mediocre games from him in a weak PAC12. I say ride Jimmy for at least one and probably two more years. We will know by then if he's the guy or not.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheBhagwan:

Originally posted by SoCold:

1. deebo on the flat wide open
2. terrell suggs (37 years old) either covered deebo or kittle
3. suggs went with kittle
4. hey jimmy! the bait worked! why not go back to deebo?

PS: notice how deebo was waiting for the pass.. just imagine suggs trying to catch deebo

insert pain here: ________________________

I'm sorry but I'd take Kittle on Suggs 100% of the time. If Jones doesn't bat that down it's an easy first down +

Weren't people complaining that Jimmy wasn't going to Kittle on enough plays? You get a primed for retirement DE on Kittle and it's a slam dunk look.

Throwing to Deebo there you can't throw a rope since your OLmen can get into the lane so you have to lob it over to ensure it gets there, allows defenders to converge on the play. Let's be honest KC played a lot of our passes to the flat very well.

From the endzone, kittle was open. This is the same play we ran against MIN to set up our first TD, literally, same play, it's designed to go to Kittle so get off of Jimny's balls about not throwing it to Deebo. It's a designed freaking play.

It's not Jimmy's fault 3 offensive lineman couldn't figure out that someone needs to palm punch Chris Jones in the ribs to get hai hands down(literally, that's what they're supposed to do). Inexcusable on McG, Person and Garland.

it's good to have you back

+1. Have in the meantime seen some "interesting" posts coming out of the woodwork in this thread.

Originally posted by SBorBust:

Originally posted by genus49:
If he didn't have faith in Jimmy then he would've called all runs in the 4th when we had the lead and told Jimmy don't even think about audibling out of run.

Someone pointed out that he likely didn't call timeout before the Chiefs punted in fear of them pinning us inside the 10 which was VERY close to happening.

We were getting the ball back to start the 2nd half and last thing Kyle wanted to do was give KC another possession. In hindsight we should've been more aggressive but the BS OPI certainly didn't help things.

Wouldn't call it "BS OPI", True i was livid when I seen it live. After rewatching it monday, it was textbook OPI "Full arm extension to create separation." its in the rulebook. It also went straight to sorensons' shoulder.

It was a little tick tacky especially since I don't think he even needed to extend his arm and had the guy beat, but it was a foul regardless.

It was BS because in a game where apparently the refs were going to let people play that call shouldn't get made.

It was also a lot less egregious than what Rudolph did in OT vs the Saints - no call on that one.

No consistency and calls very one sided.