Poll: Like or Dislike Players Protesting During the National Anthem?

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
Yes, it makes me think people watch sports for escapism, not for political sermons.

It also makes me think about the number of people murdered in Chicago last year. (762 in one year) Over 4000 people were shot in 2016.

Chicago doesn't even have the highest murder rate per capita. It's not even top ten.

More people have been killed in Chicago over the last ten years than troops in the Iraq/Afghan wars.

Cities with warzone murder rates are spread across the USA. What does this generate? Well, murder is the leading cause of death for all black people age 14-35. That age group was also responsible for committing 53% of this nations murders for 20+ years. This also generates higher levels of police contact.

Unlawful police shootings make up less than 1% of black homicides. The "black community" in America is under siege and we should be taking a knee but not to protest cops we should be protesting these warzone murder rates. Conditions cops have to work in. Black cops, White, Latino and otherwise.

ON AVERAGE black males age 14-45 are FAR more likley to commit gun violence compared to all other demographics. This is why they experience more police contact. Police contact can be dangerous, especially when you don't follow orders. Cops have killed people even when they do follow orders but it's by far not the norm.

Your city is a shining example of why police have become militarized in the US. They're mirroring the brutality in the streets of the USA.

Drug sales and gun violence along with armed robbery and pimping plague large cities and police have to jump into the middle of it all each and every day. You want to minimize police contact? Minimize street violence. Especially gun violence.

Bad cops have abused all races and age groups. Police brutality is an issue but it pales in comparison to this warzone murder culture. Police brutality is actually fed by this culture and by violence from all racial groups but life in the suburbs is far different than life in East Oakland or Garfield Park (Chicago). It's undeniable.

Also, the vast majority of police shooting victims are men. Are cops sexist murderers or are men out there committing more serious violent crime compared to women?

(You ignored this the first time and will do so again because you don't want to think)

Excellent post.

If I am an animal control agent and the majority of the time that I see animal bites they come from bunnies and result in rabies, Ima be on edge and ultra careful and more likely to do what I need to prevent that damn bunny that I am currently dealing with from biting me and giving me rabies.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
"After being embarrassed and shamed for his deliberately lagging response to help Puerto Rico, President Trump let his racist flag fly high, attacking Puerto Ricans as people who are lazy and "want everything to be done for them."

If you don't find anything wrong with this comment made by your racist president. Your part of the problem. I know people who have families there. They came late..

The comment was racist no matter how much you try to justify...

Ummm did you not read where my cousins department has men and women currently in Puerto Rico and they are reporting surprise at how unwilling Puerto Ricans are to help anyone but themselves and their immediate family? In other words the resources are there, but they don't have vehicles, or people, to distribute those resources to the people that need them. The Puerto Ricans are mostly relying on someone else to do it long as they and theirs are ok. This isn't media, this isn't from any "source" other than calls from men and women who went down there to help their fellow Americans. The Presidents comment seems to fall right in line with what those people are reporting. Guess they are filthy racists as well huh?

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Sick of hearing about HOW they protest, and not talking about WHY they protest, f**k the media!

Exactly until they realize it's their rights on the line.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Ummm did you not read where my cousins department has men and women currently in Puerto Rico and they are reporting surprise at how unwilling Puerto Ricans are to help anyone but themselves and their immediate family? In other words the resources are there, but they don't have vehicles, or people, to distribute those resources to the people that need them. The Puerto Ricans are mostly relying on someone else to do it long as they and theirs are ok. This isn't media, this isn't from any "source" other than calls from men and women who went down there to help their fellow Americans. The Presidents comment seems to fall right in line with what those people are reporting. Guess they are filthy racists as well huh?

They arrived late.....The situation wasn't taken seriously from the beginning. No his comments don't fall into what happened. We didn't want a handout or things done for us. We need help!

Arriving late is a problem. What happened with Katrina? Pattern much?

"Puerto Rico governor: More needed, but feds have answered our calls"

They came late and need more help. Hurricane hasnt hit like this in 90 years what you expect a resort????

You expect chaos... We can send military vehicles accross America but can't help Americans on an island. The handout was a racist comment I'm sorry you fail to see it. Not on a Hurricane that hasn't seen winds in 90 years.... No

You would think haven't seeing a cat 5 Hurricane in 90 years to bring more than what you were suppose to. That would take some iq higher than average. For sure.

You don't fool me.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Ummm did you not read where my cousins department has men and women currently in Puerto Rico and they are reporting surprise at how unwilling Puerto Ricans are to help anyone but themselves and their immediate family? In other words the resources are there, but they don't have vehicles, or people, to distribute those resources to the people that need them. The Puerto Ricans are mostly relying on someone else to do it long as they and theirs are ok. This isn't media, this isn't from any "source" other than calls from men and women who went down there to help their fellow Americans. The Presidents comment seems to fall right in line with what those people are reporting. Guess they are filthy racists as well huh?

They arrived late.....The situation wasn't taken seriously from the beginning. No his comments don't fall into what happened. We didn't want a handout or things done for us. We need help!

Arriving late is a problem. What happened with Katrina? Pattern much?

"Puerto Rico governor: More needed, but feds have answered our calls"

They came late and need more help. Hurricane hasnt hit like this in 90 years what you expect a resort????

You expect chaos... We can send military vehicles accross America but can't help Americans on an island. The handout was a racist comment I'm sorry you fail to see it. Not on a Hurricane that hasn't seen winds in 90 years.... No

You would think haven't seeing a cat 5 Hurricane in 90 years to bring more than what you were suppose to. That would take some iq higher than average. For sure.

You don't fool me.

Where? Where does that all come from? Answer the damn question instead of incessantly repeating what shouuuuld happen. You are arguing to win the argument, because you have made up your mind about the evil president/government which you have already admitted to above, but you are wrong. Period. We are not a country of infinite resources. We just had or have ongoing major disasters in Texas, Florida, and Montana. I know you want to think that the US has a magic relief button that just makes everything alright, but that's just not the case

Taking a knee seems so much more respectful than standing,

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Yes, it makes me think people watch sports for escapism, not for political sermons.

It also makes me think about the number of people murdered in Chicago last year. (762 in one year) Over 4000 people were shot in 2016.

Chicago doesn't even have the highest murder rate per capita. It's not even top ten.

More people have been killed in Chicago over the last ten years than troops in the Iraq/Afghan wars.

Cities with warzone murder rates are spread across the USA. What does this generate? Well, murder is the leading cause of death for all black people age 14-35. That age group was also responsible for committing 53% of this nations murders for 20+ years. This also generates higher levels of police contact.

Unlawful police shootings make up less than 1% of black homicides. The "black community" in America is under siege and we should be taking a knee but not to protest cops we should be protesting these warzone murder rates. Conditions cops have to work in. Black cops, White, Latino and otherwise.

ON AVERAGE black males age 14-45 are FAR more likley to commit gun violence compared to all other demographics. This is why they experience more police contact. Police contact can be dangerous, especially when you don't follow orders. Cops have killed people even when they do follow orders but it's by far not the norm.

Your city is a shining example of why police have become militarized in the US. They're mirroring the brutality in the streets of the USA.

Drug sales and gun violence along with armed robbery and pimping plague large cities and police have to jump into the middle of it all each and every day. You want to minimize police contact? Minimize street violence. Especially gun violence.

Bad cops have abused all races and age groups. Police brutality is an issue but it pales in comparison to this warzone murder culture. Police brutality is actually fed by this culture and by violence from all racial groups but life in the suburbs is far different than life in East Oakland or Garfield Park (Chicago). It's undeniable.

Also, the vast majority of police shooting victims are men. Are cops sexist murderers or are men out there committing more serious violent crime compared to women?

(You ignored this the first time and will do so again because you don't want to think)

Excellent post.

If I am an animal control agent and the majority of the time that I see animal bites they come from bunnies and result in rabies, Ima be on edge and ultra careful and more likely to do what I need to prevent that damn bunny that I am currently dealing with from biting me and giving me rabies.

Well, IMO this is also how some cops view everyone which is why we see so many people of all races abused by police.

They use overwhelming force at the first sign of resistance no matter how small that sign is because they want to stop any threat before it escalates. Problem is, many times cops escalate by doing this. They end up looking like authoritarian sadists.

I've seen video after video of old white men being maced, beaten and even shot by police because they're resisting or it looks like they're armed.

Watching these old white men get shot makes me just as angry as watching it happen to black people. We do have an issue with police brutality but it's simply not a "system of white supremacy hunting black people in the streets" as BLM says. Race war activism is poisonous. Far left identity politics is poison.


At the same time cops are in fact facing deadly threats every day in America. Many have to work in warzones and cops in small towns can also be killed at the drop of a dime. They have to be a tad paranoid. They can't put their gaurd down. They cant treat everyone with kid gloves because they could end up dead.

There's thousands of shootings each year in America. Thousands of shootings in single cities each year. Cops have to work in the wild west where everyone could be armed with a gun and in some cities certian groups are far more willing to use guns against other people. So yes, cops do have to perform threat assessment within the community and act accordingly.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Where? Where does that all come from? Answer the damn question instead of incessantly repeating what shouuuuld happen. You are arguing to win the argument, because you have made up your mind about the evil president/government which you have already admitted to above, but you are wrong. Period. We are not a country of infinite resources. We just had or have ongoing major disasters in Texas, Florida, and Montana. I know you want to think that the US has a magic relief button that just makes everything alright, but that's just not the case

"The comments of the former general, who stood down in 2008, are the latest criticism directed at Donald Trump and what has appeared to be his slow response to the crisis, that has left virtually all the island without power and with shortages of fuel, food and clean drinking water."

"They need to scale up. In Katrina, I had 20,000 federal troops. Not federal workers, federal troops," he said.

"I had 20 ships and over 240 helicopters. And Puerto Rico is bigger than Katrina."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/uerto-rico-trump-katrina-criticism-general-russel-honore-a7972996.html

They arrived late and light. What don't you understand? You continue to change the narrative. No they came late and light.

When you have a General saying it... Yes and the people crying for help. There is a f**king problem.

"People fill bottles Sept. 30, 2017, from a stream just outside of Naranjito, Puerto Rico, 10 days after Hurricane Maria struck the island. Drinking water is scarce. Residents there are forced to use La Plata River water for bathing and washing clothes. "

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/720731001/

It's worst than katrina and we go late and light! BRILLIANT!!

That's so racist!!!

Hell the word doesn't even have meaning anymore. Its been abused so much by crybabies that the true racist people are grouped into people just with different political views. Its just odd how certain people are the ones who automatically think of people by their skin color(Puerto Rican's) but that's not "racist". You're the one using pigment as a defacto.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Where? Where does that all come from? Answer the damn question instead of incessantly repeating what shouuuuld happen. You are arguing to win the argument, because you have made up your mind about the evil president/government which you have already admitted to above, but you are wrong. Period. We are not a country of infinite resources. We just had or have ongoing major disasters in Texas, Florida, and Montana. I know you want to think that the US has a magic relief button that just makes everything alright, but that's just not the case

"The comments of the former general, who stood down in 2008, are the latest criticism directed at Donald Trump and what has appeared to be his slow response to the crisis, that has left virtually all the island without power and with shortages of fuel, food and clean drinking water."

"They need to scale up. In Katrina, I had 20,000 federal troops. Not federal workers, federal troops," he said.

"I had 20 ships and over 240 helicopters. And Puerto Rico is bigger than Katrina."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/uerto-rico-trump-katrina-criticism-general-russel-honore-a7972996.html

They arrived late and light. What don't you understand? You continue to change the narrative. No they came late and light.

When you have a General saying it... Yes and the people crying for help. There is a f**king problem.

"People fill bottles Sept. 30, 2017, from a stream just outside of Naranjito, Puerto Rico, 10 days after Hurricane Maria struck the island. Drinking water is scarce. Residents there are forced to use La Plata River water for bathing and washing clothes. "

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/720731001/

It's worst than katrina and we go late and light! BRILLIANT!!

These are the "Light" supplies that we've already sent that the govt of Puerto Rico is not distributing.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by WINiner:
I hate it and have stopped watching any football game in which a player does anything other than stand respectfully for the flag/anthem. I love my 49ers, but can not and will not support the team as long as Jed keeps running his stupid f**king mouth and players on this team continue to disrespect. I don't care what their stated reason, EVERY damn person in my family from aunts and uncles who I rarely speak to, to immediate family who has or is serving currently, is offended by the protests. Lefties, righties, and everywhere in between on the political spectrum, they all to a person feel like it's a slap in the face.

"My Father Died in Afghanistan, and I Support Colin Kaepernick"
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/27/opinion/military-support-kaepernick.html

'Communism Will Win': U.S. Army Infantry Officer Posts Message In Support of Kaepernick
by Colin Kalmbacher | 6:08 pm, September 25th, 2017
https://lawnewz.com/high-profile/communism-will-win-u-s-army-infantry-officer-posts-message-in-support-of-kaepernick/

Sorry you feel that way. Most military knows whats at stake and its our freedom..

#VeteransForKaepernick

Retired Adm. Bill McRaven, the former head of U.S. Special Operations Command who commanded the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, in his role as chancellor of the University of Texas system called on U-T athletics managers to urge athletes to stand up straight, hand over heart, during the national anthem
"I spent 37 years defending freedom of speech and freedom of expression," McRaven wrote. "Nothing is more important to this democracy. Nothing! However, while no one should be compelled to stand, they should recognize that by sitting in protest to the flag they are disrespecting everyone who sacrificed to make this country what it is today -- as imperfect as it might be."
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/09/09/legendary-seal-leader-national-anthem-protests-disrespect-the-military/

"Rusher was born and raised in Detroit. He spent 33 years in the Army and is now retired and lives in Lansing.
He got on the bus and I followed him.
"What are you going to do today?" I asked, sitting next to him.
"I'm going to salute the flag," Rusher said.
It was about an hour before kickoff. "If the players kneel down, how will that make you feel?" I asked.
"If they kneel, I'm going to salute, I'm going to salute with pride," he said. "I understand why they are kneeling. That's what I fought for. For them to have the right. Personally, I don't like it."

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/jeff-seidel/2017/09/24/detroit-lions-black-army-veteran-salutes-national-anthem-collides-race-nfl-politics-and-hometown-her/698103001/

As a veteran I care about my country. If you want to protest police injustice I will do it with you if you can prove it. I won't just follow because the masses that are losing their balls do it. But the anthem and the flag are not the place and time. I ran the red and gold flag in Amman Jordan in 2007 and Afghanistan in 2004 I'm as die hard as they come. But I love my country because i have seen just how it is for others in theirs.

As for Puerto Rico I have friends in the signal corps out there now and they can't move to help due to politics on the island. Politics the governor and mayor are standing by. Yet the supplies are all there I wonder why they won't move them to the people.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I highly, highly doubt this is true. If it is, then lol. I guess it's wrong to STAND for the National Anthem now.

They gave up 1 sack all year last season and then gave up 4 in a row in single series but it's not true? Doubtful. Like I said, so oppressed they get paid millions to pay a game.

Lol...

During our halftime show, "these guys stood, these guys didn't, now lets talk football".

Point? The kneeling is more important than the protest. Do people not see how ineffective this form of protest is?