QB CJ Beathard - signs with Jacksonville | Page 488

slowriot · 2017-04-28T20:36:13-07:00

"He processes the game so well, tough as s---. Got a chance. He reminds me a lot of Kirk Cousins" - head coach Kyle Shanahan HEIGHT: 6'2" WEIGHT: 219LBS. ARM LENGTH: 30 5/8" HANDS: 9 3/8" DRAFT ANALYSIS: "C.J. Beathard had mostly fifth-, sixth-round grades from the teams I spoke with. Obviously has great NFL lineage, the Beathard name famous for talent evaluation, and I thought his tape was down a little bit this year. I thought he was better as a junior. Very smart, understands where to go with the football, better arm than expected when you really sit down and study him. I haven't seen him live, and the people who went to his Pro Day told me he had an excellent day." -- Mike Mayock OVERVIEW A lot of people know that the Hawkeyes' signal caller is the grandson of former NFL general manager Bobby Beathard -- but now C.J. is a father in own right after he and his girlfriend welcomed a girl (Lyla) into their world in December. He was the most prolific quarterback in Tennessee his final two years of high school (runner-up for one of the state's Mr. Football awards). As a redshirt freshman, Beathard played a little (9-27, TD, two INT) and the following year he saw the field more often (nine games, one start, 645 yards, five TD, two INT). He was given the reins of the offense as a junior, earning team MVP and second-team All-Big Ten honors by completing 61.6 percent of his passes for 2,809 pass yards, 17 touchdowns and just five interceptions. Beathard wasn't as effective as a senior (56.5 completion pct, 1,929 yards, 147TD, 10 INT) but is still considered a solid developmental prospect. ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Played in pro-style passing attack, working under center and from shotgun. Capable and confident rolling out. Squares shoulders to deliver strikes. Completed 57 percent of his passes outside of the pocket at Iowa. Showed improved touch on short throws. Footwork and pocket mechanics look solid. Throws with some natural accuracy despite pedestrian completion percentage. Better tape in 2015 as he had to overcome injuries to key targets in 2016. Has the arm strength to throw the deep out without laboring. Trusts his line and keeps eyes downfield. Plays with relatively calm demeanor. Good feel and timing for screen game. Knee brace slowed him some during senior season, but he has ability to escape the heat. Team leader with ability to handle adversity. Won't take unnecessary chances. WEAKNESSES Hesitation is a noticeable issue. Often late to pull trigger on throws toward the sideline, forcing receivers into boundary and out of the catch. Slow field scanner who tends to lock into a single side. Too much eye-balling and not enough manipulating. Poor feel for pocket pressure. Two-year sack total of 58 is too high in play-action attack. Anchors deep in pocket and rarely climbs pocket to safe harbor. Oblivious to backside pressure until it's too late. Needs more air under the long ball. Deep-ball accuracy has been terrible. Completed under 30 percent of throws beyond 20 yards in last two seasons at Iowa. Completed just 43 percent of throws beyond line of scrimmage to right sideline. DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 6-7 NFL COMPARISON Tom Savage BOTTOM LINE Pro-style quarterback who dealt with nagging injuries to key pass catchers and himself in 2016. His 2015 tape was more impressive, but deep-ball accuracy issues, poor pocket awareness, and unnecessary hesitation as a passer shows up in both seasons. Beathard plays checkers with safeties rather than chess, which could always hinder his ability to attack down the field with success. Could be a career backup who finds himself in the action at some point down the road. -Lance Zierlein

Oct 3, 2018 at 3:45 PM

#7306

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Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jcs:
They are different...one is showtime with strippers and porn stars the other already has a family and walks a runway with a cancer surviver. As football players it means nothing.

It was a joke about how Jimmy's knee is amputated. Of course he can't walk with needy children.

Yeah but if he really cared, he'd be out there in a wheelchair.

probably roll off stage trying to get a few more feet and and injure his neck

#Pressing

Oct 3, 2018 at 4:07 PM

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LottDMontanaO
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Last Sunday's game was very encouraging - you can see CJ has definitely improved from last year. Now, if he can just work on processing things at the line of scrimmage a little faster and executing a little faster after the snap, he can really make a jump. Also, still needs to work on not having balls deflected by D-lineman...might have to work on adjusting his arm angle like Jimmy does and like Rivers showed last Sunday (he's a master at it). Converting those key 3rd Downs to keep drives alive, especially when you're coming from behind or trying to protect a lead and keeping the clock moving, are other areas where I'm hoping to see improvement.

All in all, he's showing good progress in Year 2.

Oct 3, 2018 at 4:21 PM

#7308

qnnhan7
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Doesn't make sense this guy getting rocked at least once or twice every games seemed like. Just because he can get up from them doesn't mean he should play like he could.

Ain't no good without longevity either.

Oct 3, 2018 at 4:58 PM

#7309

Sunshine
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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The last 5 pages of this thread are comedy.

No one is saying Beathard is better than Jimmy. No one is even saying Beathard is as good as Jimmy. People (myself included) are simply saying he did a great job this past week and the passing offense didnt look any worse from a production standpoint than it has in any Jimmy start this season.

Jimmy is the better quarterback. I will repeat....Jimmy is the better QB.

But Beathard played his ass off and was a big reason we were even in that game.

Beathard is pretty close to being better

Oct 3, 2018 at 5:17 PM

#7310

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The one thing that surprised me is just how slow Jimmy is. n***a is Peyton Manning slow. He's built like he should run faster. Maybe it's those big hairy Italian balls.

Wish he had CJ's mobility.

[ Edited by BleedsRedNGold on Oct 3, 2018 at 5:17 PM ]

Oct 3, 2018 at 5:17 PM

#7311

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Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Niners99:
"How did Beathard deal with not always knowing what he just called in a huddle as a rookie last season?

"You just kind of try and put some of the key words together," Beathard explained. "'Ok, I know this guy, he's got an out route. Hopefully, he gets open.'"

Fantastic...

Good to know young QB's dont even know what the heck is going on, and are just praying the one route they remember gets open.

This is why you can't listen to the ignorant individuals who are oblivious to a lot of factors affecting one's play and call a player garbage in his rookie season, despite statistically outperforming many of the other top quarterbacks in the league by comparison to their rookies years. Not to mention doing so while trying to operate what is widely known as the most complicated scheme in the NFL and do it with an incredibly weak supporting cast missing linemen and receivers.

Matt Ryan was confused with this playbook for a year and he had a top core of playmakers around him.

Truth

Oct 3, 2018 at 5:20 PM

#7312

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Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Niners99:
"How did Beathard deal with not always knowing what he just called in a huddle as a rookie last season?

"You just kind of try and put some of the key words together," Beathard explained. "'Ok, I know this guy, he's got an out route. Hopefully, he gets open.'"

Fantastic...

Good to know young QB's dont even know what the heck is going on, and are just praying the one route they remember gets open.

This is why you can't listen to the ignorant individuals who are oblivious to a lot of factors affecting one's play and call a player garbage in his rookie season, despite statistically outperforming many of the other top quarterbacks in the league by comparison to their rookies years. Not to mention doing so while trying to operate what is widely known as the most complicated scheme in the NFL and do it with an incredibly weak supporting cast missing linemen and receivers.

Matt Ryan was confused with this playbook for a year and he had a top core of playmakers around him.

Exactly. This team has holes, yes, but we also have talent at a number of areas. QB, RB, TE, DT and LB are the top five.

We do still need a big time receiver, pass rusher, tight end depth, and upgrades on the OL and linebacker depth. We have talent at DB but we need players to step up and emerge this year as well as to stay healthy and show consistency. Otherwise we'll need to look to the draft for new starters there too.

Good post OTC!

I think it was JoeCool who nailed it.

To paraphrase - ...we're like an expansion team at this point"

IMO, the JG hot streak inflated expectations and now it bummer-time.

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Oct 3, 2018 at 5:20 PM

#7313

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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Niners99:
"How did Beathard deal with not always knowing what he just called in a huddle as a rookie last season?

"You just kind of try and put some of the key words together," Beathard explained. "'Ok, I know this guy, he's got an out route. Hopefully, he gets open.'"

Fantastic...

Good to know young QB's dont even know what the heck is going on, and are just praying the one route they remember gets open.

This is why you can't listen to the ignorant individuals who are oblivious to a lot of factors affecting one's play and call a player garbage in his rookie season, despite statistically outperforming many of the other top quarterbacks in the league by comparison to their rookies years. Not to mention doing so while trying to operate what is widely known as the most complicated scheme in the NFL and do it with an incredibly weak supporting cast missing linemen and receivers.

Are you talking about me? I never said Beathard was garbage. Its just discouraging to know that young QB's are literally calling plays that they hardly even remember, and are basically guessing on. No wonder guys look totally lost. He thinks he remembered one guy had an out route, so he was just going to look at that read and pray he got open. Meanwhile were all watching these games thinking our players are totally prepared.

Oct 3, 2018 at 8:52 PM

#7314

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Originally posted by Empire49:
He has the following over CJ: the ability to read defenses, ability to improv, ability to go through progressions (this is where CJ really lacks), a quicker release, more pocket awareness, he's a better leader & motivator, better decision-maker... do you need more?

This is not to say BeatHard is way behind Jimmy in every category, but you have to be joking if you think they're in the same tier.

Jimmy G has had 4 or 5 years of NFL teaching and learning compared to CJ's one. Jimmy G is a better leader? Says who?

Oct 3, 2018 at 10:41 PM

#7315

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The look of a champion.

Oct 3, 2018 at 11:34 PM

#7316

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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Niners99:
"How did Beathard deal with not always knowing what he just called in a huddle as a rookie last season?

"You just kind of try and put some of the key words together," Beathard explained. "'Ok, I know this guy, he's got an out route. Hopefully, he gets open.'"

Fantastic...

Good to know young QB's dont even know what the heck is going on, and are just praying the one route they remember gets open.

This is why you can't listen to the ignorant individuals who are oblivious to a lot of factors affecting one's play and call a player garbage in his rookie season, despite statistically outperforming many of the other top quarterbacks in the league by comparison to their rookies years. Not to mention doing so while trying to operate what is widely known as the most complicated scheme in the NFL and do it with an incredibly weak supporting cast missing linemen and receivers.

Matt Ryan was confused with this playbook for a year and he had a top core of playmakers around him.

Truth

I think Shanny just dumped the whole playbook on Garoppolo. Whereas last year, he was running a simplified offense, with limited film on him. CJ definitely has a better grasp of the playbook, but is less talented than Garoppolo.

[ Edited by SFTifoso on Oct 3, 2018 at 11:36 PM ]

Oct 4, 2018 at 8:21 AM

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