TRADED Rashard Robinson CB LSU - 4th Round pick - BYE RASHARD

Brady is gonna be torching this dude

The guy seemed not to have the temperament to follow instructions and learn the game. One of the announcers called him a penalty machine. Good Riddance.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Brady is gonna be torching this dude

Originally posted by thl408:

Thanks. I got mad respect for Saban. "Out of phase" (trailing), play the hands. I wish he explained the why. On under thrown balls, that CB is getting DPI it seems.

Out of phase/position (ie trailing) on a fade route, yes you don't look back and play the ball/hands. But that's not what our CB's are doing. Even when they're able to and using the upfield arm bar, they STILL aren't looking. And the most important part of playing the ball when trailing is to wait for the hands to actually go up for the catch. RR was grabbing when the ball wasn't even close. It's like he had no concept of space and timing of throws.

If this is what they're teaching, great. But they need to evolve to that next level and start locating and tracking the ball once they have good position.

I just listened to Saleh's interview again a few times, and I'm calming down. I get what he's saying now. Originally I thought he WANTED the CB's trailing and "playing chest to chest/hands to hands." But that's only if they're out of position/trailing. He explicitly said "if they're in the lead position they can turn and look." That's the issue that I'm seeing. These CB's are so afraid of turning at the wrong time that they just never turn.

I think some guys just play better facing the QB and some play better with their back to the QB. Both take a special skill and mindset. Saleh wants CB's who can play with their back to the QB. I can't say I like the rigidity of that thought approach, but I understand it.

I'm not sure if Robinson would have been traded if he hadn't yelled at coaches on the sidelines. I love the fact that they sent him packing after that display. It sends a message to the rest of the team...don't mess with the discipline of the team or you are gone. Hopefully, Witherspoon will be a better CB and Johnson. Ward can be moved back as well if needed.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Brady is gonna be torching this dude

our indirect gift to the patriots for giving us jimmy

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
I could see him maturing and being a solid cb but regardless he isn't for us, we are starting from scratch and they don't see him as part of the process moving foward.

Let's face it guys theres no one on this roster that is untouchable, That was Bowman and he is gone.

We are starting from scratch. If he shines with the jets? Fine they are winning games. We are not.

I've got a problem with the CB play in particular this season. Even last season and the season before some CBs seemed to shine or at least showing promise like Ward, RR, DJ. Heck, even Reaser somehow wasn't the worst CB in the world. This year, almost the same personnel sucks all over the place. So, either most of the CBs do not fit the system, the system itself difficult to execute or the coaching sucks. I assume and hope that the second assumption is true but somehow I've got the feeling that the quality of the coaching is not that good either.

Overall, I am ok with talking about a "nobody is untouchable"-philosophy and executing it consistently. The new regime does exactly that. Kudos.
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However, the Bowman ousting was not a thing of beauty, irrespective of who wanted what, and could hit us hard in the FA market. Money talks? Sure. But good players can go elsewhere, too, players with some pride. Imho, there was no need to cut Bowman's playing time because there is no high-quality talent behind him unless anyone thinks that Foster can be our MLB of the future.

Originally posted by Furlow:
They do play a lot of trail technique, but I see their CB's looking back. Plus they have an all-world FS in Earl Thomas, which makes it easier as a CAB.

Then I don't get the cover3 scheme at all. I thought that trailing should be avoided in this scheme given that the CBs cannot hope for help over the top, in case of outside leverage by the WR in particular?

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by Furlow:

They do play a lot of trail technique, but I see their CB's looking back. Plus they have an all-world FS in Earl Thomas, which makes it easier as a CAB.

Then I don't get the cover3 scheme at all. I thought that trailing should be avoided in this scheme given that the CBs cannot hope for help over the top, in case of outside leverage by the WR in particular?

I should have been more specific. Trail technique (intentional) is not to be confused with trail position (CB just got beat lol). I also shouldn't have said the Seahawks run it "a lot," they don't. But because they play so much cover 3/cover 1 free, they can sneak in disguised cover 2 looks/techniques like trail technique (which takes away passing lanes on shorter throws) and CB's jumping routes into the flat (which is the soft spot in cover 3).

They're obviously far beyond anything we're capable of at this point, so we're seeing very "vanilla" CB play to this point. Like I said, structurally this defense is sound, it just doesn't put guys in a position to "make plays." Personally I'd rather see a more aggressive mindset, especially on 3rd down. But I do see the bigger picture and vision. It's pretty clear RR just doesn't have what it takes to play in this system.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I should have been more specific. Trail technique (intentional) is not to be confused with trail position (CB just got beat lol). I also shouldn't have said the Seahawks run it "a lot," they don't. But because they play so much cover 3/cover 1 free, they can sneak in disguised cover 2 looks/techniques like trail technique (which takes away passing lanes on shorter throws) and CB's jumping routes into the flat (which is the soft spot in cover 3).

They're obviously far beyond anything we're capable of at this point, so we're seeing very "vanilla" CB play to this point. Like I said, structurally this defense is sound, it just doesn't put guys in a position to "make plays." Personally I'd rather see a more aggressive mindset, especially on 3rd down. But I do see the bigger picture and vision. It's pretty clear RR just doesn't have what it takes to play in this system.

Thanks, now I get it.

Do you think that RR has got enough talent to thrive in a different system? What was your impression of RR last(!) season?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by Furlow:

They do play a lot of trail technique, but I see their CB's looking back. Plus they have an all-world FS in Earl Thomas, which makes it easier as a CAB.

Then I don't get the cover3 scheme at all. I thought that trailing should be avoided in this scheme given that the CBs cannot hope for help over the top, in case of outside leverage by the WR in particular?

I should have been more specific. Trail technique (intentional) is not to be confused with trail position (CB just got beat lol). I also shouldn't have said the Seahawks run it "a lot," they don't. But because they play so much cover 3/cover 1 free, they can sneak in disguised cover 2 looks/techniques like trail technique (which takes away passing lanes on shorter throws) and CB's jumping routes into the flat (which is the soft spot in cover 3).

They're obviously far beyond anything we're capable of at this point, so we're seeing very "vanilla" CB play to this point. Like I said, structurally this defense is sound, it just doesn't put guys in a position to "make plays." Personally I'd rather see a more aggressive mindset, especially on 3rd down. But I do see the bigger picture and vision. It's pretty clear RR just doesn't have what it takes to play in this system.

I don't know, Robinson's aggression on third down cost us so many times our heads were starting to spin. The generally concept though of being aggressive on pressure for third down, I agree with.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by Furlow:

They do play a lot of trail technique, but I see their CB's looking back. Plus they have an all-world FS in Earl Thomas, which makes it easier as a CAB.

Then I don't get the cover3 scheme at all. I thought that trailing should be avoided in this scheme given that the CBs cannot hope for help over the top, in case of outside leverage by the WR in particular?

I should have been more specific. Trail technique (intentional) is not to be confused with trail position (CB just got beat lol). I also shouldn't have said the Seahawks run it "a lot," they don't. But because they play so much cover 3/cover 1 free, they can sneak in disguised cover 2 looks/techniques like trail technique (which takes away passing lanes on shorter throws) and CB's jumping routes into the flat (which is the soft spot in cover 3).

They're obviously far beyond anything we're capable of at this point, so we're seeing very "vanilla" CB play to this point. Like I said, structurally this defense is sound, it just doesn't put guys in a position to "make plays." Personally I'd rather see a more aggressive mindset, especially on 3rd down. But I do see the bigger picture and vision. It's pretty clear RR just doesn't have what it takes to play in this system.

I don't know, Robinson's aggression on third down cost us so many times our heads were starting to spin. The generally concept though of being aggressive on pressure for third down, I agree with.

Aggressive in terms of going for the ball and getting turnovers. Robinson's grabbing is more of a panic type move.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I don't know, Robinson's aggression on third down cost us so many times our heads were starting to spin. The generally concept though of being aggressive on pressure for third down, I agree with.

Last year, his flashes of brilliance seemed to come when he was able to just react instinctively. They are asking him to use varying techniques and he didn't adjust. Not sure about giving up on him but can't really complain about their decisions so far.

RR might ball out in that blitz heavy man defense.