Jimmy Graham to be traded to Seattle Seahawks

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Kap is 6-8-1. That's actually amazing

We need percentages guys!!

Originally posted by LisaTwelve:

Originally posted by elguapo:
It's kinda funny that Wilson's two good games came against average defenses. Sorry by that's the truth. Atl was horrible and Carolina, your got to be kidding me? 21st in points without Star L???? But hey, as you said they won 5 in a row. Wow. Whatever makes it sound better I guess. They were 7-8-1 by the way and Atlantas defense......well.....they didn't have one. I hope you're noticing a pattern here bc it's pretty easy to see. I just don't know why it's so hard for fans to just call a spade a spade and admit that a player isn't as good as advertised or in RWs case, not even close. But oh well. I'm just glad I'm not in denial.

Another rehashment - I think we need some new material
Maybe I'm wrong but, it would stand to reason that most QB's have better games against lessor defenses.
In any case, each can only play the games on the schedule . . .
It's a SSS but, of the top 12 regular season games of RW's career (120+ passer rating), 6 were vs. top 10 defenses for total record of 11-1

Again, QB rating... Misleading. You can throw a bunch of screen passes that gain less than 10 yards and wind up with a 120+ rating. Doesn't mean you really had a great game.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

The pot is calling the kettle black.

And our fan base is every bit as delusional and biased as theirs is or can be, Niner Talk is very much proof of that as are a load of the comments that get made in this thread. One cannot measure which fan base is more delusional, it is all just guesswork or assumptions to the fact.

Just fans being fanatics . . .
seems it's very hard to be objective when you are so passionate about your team. And, I'm glass half full in general so, while I can be a worry wort at times, I tend to pick out the bright spots overall ;-)

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Lol don't put the 2-9 record solely on Russell, because it's a team game......proceeds to put team record next to a singular stat

"of RW's 8 post season games, he has attempted 25 or more passes in 5 of them (4-1)"

Yes, it's just pathetic now. Rw apologist.

I guess stating the obvious is now called regurgitating eveidence. And trying to argue and do spin jobs to counter the facts that rw is not that good and when is counted on, disappoints

Maybe if kap ever goes 2-9 against teams that score 24 points or more WITHOUT THE BEST RB AND DEFENSE......whoops. He hasn't. He has done astoundingly well.

Most of us are NOT like these dillusional apologist Seahawks fans. We criticise kap when it's HIS FAULT and judge him on that. Seahawks fans are more in denial and I guess aren't either intelligent enough to accept reality or simply creating their own reality. Either way, it's slightly amusing and quite pathetic. Sad really.

It's all good, man. Hopefully they're happy giving him a huge contract. I know I'll be happy when it happens.

Originally posted by Empire49:

You can't use QB rating to suggest he did enough to win those games. Alex Smith used to put up good QB ratings, but when you look at what he did overall, it simply wasn't enough to win the game. A bunch of safe throws will make that QB rating skyrocket, but they won't have enough of an impact to put you ahead. Granted, I didn't bother to look up Wilson's stats in those games, but my point is QB ratings are often misleading.

Indeed.
As are QB records. You really have to analyze individual box scores to accurately assign significant credit/blame to individual players.

Originally posted by LisaTwelve:

Originally posted by Empire49:
You can't use QB rating to suggest he did enough to win those games. Alex Smith used to put up good QB ratings, but when you look at what he did overall, it simply wasn't enough to win the game. A bunch of safe throws will make that QB rating skyrocket, but they won't have enough of an impact to put you ahead. Granted, I didn't bother to look up Wilson's stats in those games, but my point is QB ratings are often misleading.

Indeed.
As are QB records. You really have to analyze individual box scores to accurately assign significant credit/blame to individual players.

Not even box scores are going to allow you to accurately assign credit/blame. There are too many variables, and unless you actually watch the QB play, you won't be able to take those into account.

I can tell you that Russell Wilson would not even be in my top 20 choices for a QB if I knew the game was going to be a shootout. He is a game manager, just like Alex Smith, but with better mobility and a lot more luck on his side. A disciplined defense (not necessarily a GOOD one) will always give him trouble, and while his backyard football style works well enough for him to put up enough points to win a low scoring game, I would never rely on him to carry a team to a victory when he needs to score 30 points to win. I make these judgments based on watching him play, not looking at stats.

Originally posted by Empire49:

You can't use QB rating to suggest he did enough to win those games. Alex Smith used to put up good QB ratings, but when you look at what he did overall, it simply wasn't enough to win the game. A bunch of safe throws will make that QB rating skyrocket, but they won't have enough of an impact to put you ahead. Granted, I didn't bother to look up Wilson's stats in those games, but my point is QB ratings are often misleading.

Very very true. These fans are missing the POINT. many qbs can put up good qb ratings but that doesn't mean they are good or did enough to win or means the blame can't be mainly put on them bc they were efficient enough.

Look at last year.......many qbs had very good qb ratings but that DOES NOT mean many qbs are good or efficient.

And my point about RW rarely throwing a lot of attempts WASN'T TO PROVE he doesn't throw a lot, so actually looking up his attempts is pretty elementary. My point was RW rarely has to make throws to help the Seahawks actually win games or be a passing team. Seattle is a running team and is all about lynch and the defense. It's common sense and pretty much ANY ANALYST and fan of the game can see that. So using or looking up stats to show RW has DONE ENOUGH not to be blamed for some of seattles losses is ridiculous when in fact he IS the main reason.

Just like if and when the niners d or running game wasn't up to par, then it's on a qb like kap or Alex smith to carry the team. One of the only times Alex smith had done that was against the saints in the playoffs.

So again, please try to grasp the overall point of the post instead of trying to refute a point with stats that aren't telling at all. Thanks.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

The pot is calling the kettle black.

And our fan base is every bit as delusional and biased as theirs is or can be, Niner Talk is very much proof of that as are a load of the comments that get made in this thread. One cannot measure which fan base is more delusional, it is all just guesswork or assumptions to the fact.

Actually, you couldn't be more WRONG. That is why many many Niner fans questioned Alex smith and actually did not see him as a qb that could get it done for us. it's ok to admit it. I'm sure Seattle fans DON'T want to move on from Wilson as a game manager or put as much blame on Wilson as Niner fans did on Alex smith. Same goes for kap. Now we don't know the exact percentage of people who think kap may not be the answer but I'm sure it's greater than RW doubters and kap can take over games unlike Wilson. And kap doesnt have the d or running game that Rw has. I believe if kap was on the seattle he would have lead them to 2 sbs instead of rws 1. So it's ok to think about that before posting something as short sighted as that.

Originally posted by Empire49:
Not even box scores are going to allow you to accurately assign credit/blame. There are too many variables, and unless you actually watch the QB play, you won't be able to take those into account.

I can tell you that Russell Wilson would not even be in my top 20 choices for a QB if I knew the game was going to be a shootout. He is a game manager, just like Alex Smith, but with better mobility and a lot more luck on his side. A disciplined defense (not necessarily a GOOD one) will always give him trouble, and while his backyard football style works well enough for him to put up enough points to win a low scoring game, I would never rely on him to carry a team to a victory when he needs to score 30 points to win. I make these judgments based on watching him play, not looking at stats.

Totally agree with the bolded.
And, since I've watched every game he's played - I'm good with him as the Hawks QB for the foreseeable future.
RW definitely has a unique skill set and it stands to reason he will develop even more (as I mentioned, I'm a glass-half-full kinda fan).
As long as PC is the coach, it's pretty much a given that the Hawks will focus on having a stout defense and strong running game, so while RW does throw more than others have suggested, doesn't seem likely that his throwing will increase significantly (even with the addition of JG). If it ain't broke, don't fix it - rush heavy offense, ball security and an ocassional big play. But, there's always room for improvement (e.g., adding better targets), overall development and learning from mistakes (HUGE opportunity in that regard, after XLIX). No QB can do it all on his own though - hopefully, serious O-line protection is found next year and beyond.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by KRS-1:
The pot is calling the kettle black.

And our fan base is every bit as delusional and biased as theirs is or can be, Niner Talk is very much proof of that as are a load of the comments that get made in this thread. One cannot measure which fan base is more delusional, it is all just guesswork or assumptions to the fact.

Actually, you couldn't be more WRONG. That is why many many Niner fans questioned Alex smith and actually did not see him as a qb that could get it done for us. it's ok to admit it. I'm sure Seattle fans DON'T want to move on from Wilson as a game manager or put as much blame on Wilson as Niner fans did on Alex smith. Same goes for kap. Now we don't know the exact percentage of people who think kap may not be the answer but I'm sure it's greater than RW doubters and kap can take over games unlike Wilson. And kap doesnt have the d or running game that Rw has. I believe if kap was on the seattle he would have lead them to 2 sbs instead of rws 1. So it's ok to think about that before posting something as short sighted as that.

You say I could not be more wrong but did not to show me that. You posted a bunch of assumptions and that is it, guesses and assumptions add nothing to the point. Again fact is all fan bases have boat loads of delusional and biased fans and there is no way to measure that.

If you think our fan base does not have boat loads of biased and delusional fans then you are either lying to yourself or delusional yourself. I choose to believe you are lying to yourself IF you really believe that.

Originally posted by LisaTwelve:
Just fans being fanatics . . .
seems it's very hard to be objective when you are so passionate about your team. And, I'm glass half full in general so, while I can be a worry wort at times, I tend to pick out the bright spots overall ;-)

Good post

The funny thing about the 2-9 stat is that arguably Wilsons 2 best career games are part of the 9 losses. Against Atlanta and @Stl this year he had over 400 yds and 3 TDs in both games. Both games also were a combo of great passing and rushing.

Kap / RW

Poor Jimmy, no one even giving a **** about him in his own thread, lol

Yeah, let's bring this thread back on track.

I wonder if Bruce Irvin is going to fade up Jimmy? Maybe, him and M. Bennett(if he doesn't get his wish to be traded) can tag team up on him. Give jimmy the SB treatment. Although, from I seen out of Irvin, gotta put my money on Jimmy

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I still need jimmy fade if he come to Seattle
1:10 PM - 10 Mar 2015

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

The pot is calling the kettle black.

And our fan base is every bit as delusional and biased as theirs is or can be, Niner Talk is very much proof of that as are a load of the comments that get made in this thread. One cannot measure which fan base is more delusional, it is all just guesswork or assumptions to the fact.

Actually, you couldn't be more WRONG. That is why many many Niner fans questioned Alex smith and actually did not see him as a qb that could get it done for us. it's ok to admit it. I'm sure Seattle fans DON'T want to move on from Wilson as a game manager or put as much blame on Wilson as Niner fans did on Alex smith. Same goes for kap. Now we don't know the exact percentage of people who think kap may not be the answer but I'm sure it's greater than RW doubters and kap can take over games unlike Wilson. And kap doesnt have the d or running game that Rw has. I believe if kap was on the seattle he would have lead them to 2 sbs instead of rws 1. So it's ok to think about that before posting something as short sighted as that.

You say I could not be more wrong but did not to show me that. You posted a bunch of assumptions and that is it, guesses and assumptions add nothing to the point. Again fact is all fan bases have boat loads of delusional and biased fans and there is no way to measure that.

If you think our fan base does not have boat loads of biased and delusional fans then you are either lying to yourself or delusional yourself. I choose to believe you are lying to yourself IF you really believe that.

I guess the common sense around here has gone out the window. Same with the reality of some people.

Sorry to say, it's pretty much consensus that a fan base like the raiders are more violent and disruptive than most other teams and just like its pretty obvious Seattle fans are for the most part bandwagoners and delusional.

To say as you said all fan bases have delusional and biased fans is like saying the sun and moon will come out and water is wet. Duh! Really? Didn't know that. But to discredit a statement bc there isn't a survey of straight up evidence of factual data does not suggest the statement is wrong. Sorry. There is truth to it just like saying some teams have a lot more die hard fans than others. Like the jags and say SD or MINN do NOT HAVE as good of fans as say the Dallas cowboys or GB packers. Sorry but sometimes it's correct to say statements such as that without the typical cop out you suggest as saying.....well, show me the evidence. So niave.