Jimmy Graham to be traded to Seattle Seahawks

Meh.

Originally posted by tab420:

Unger was out for both the games against the Niner's last year. Really didn't make a difference.

They should be the overwhelming favorite to win the Super Bowl.

I could hear the Seattle brass saying to the Aint's, listen we're giving you Max Unger, did you hear us Max Unger! Plus the 31st pick in a loaded draft. We can take Graham off your hands but you have to throw in a 4th rounder or teams will think we're blowing up the Seahawks.

Can you guys imagine how many more times per game Wilson is gonna be able to scramble around for 12 seconds and just heave the ball up downfield and make a miracle play? With jimmy on the field he will be able to do that even more than ever....

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They should be the overwhelming favorite to win the Super Bowl.

Why? Because they went out and got a $10 mill a year tight end who DOES NOT fit in their offense? Sherman is injured and need Tommy John, Earl is injured needs surgery as does Kam, and Maxwell went to the Eagles. Dan Quinn went to the falcons. To me this was a desperation move because they know the defense won't be the same.

Damn it saints!!! Why not send him to the AFC like the jags or something. Boo!!!!

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They should be the overwhelming favorite to win the Super Bowl.

Why? Because they went out and got a $10 mill a year tight end who DOES NOT fit in their offense? Sherman is injured and need Tommy John, Earl is injured needs surgery as does Kam, and Maxwell went to the Eagles. Dan Quinn went to the falcons. To me this was a desperation move because they know the defense won't be the same.

Tommy John won't effect Sherman one bit at all. He's not a pitcher. He will be just as good if not better.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They should be the overwhelming favorite to win the Super Bowl.

Why? Because they went out and got a $10 mill a year tight end who DOES NOT fit in their offense? Sherman is injured and need Tommy John, Earl is injured needs surgery as does Kam, and Maxwell went to the Eagles. Dan Quinn went to the falcons. To me this was a desperation move because they know the defense won't be the same.

Tommy John won't effect Sherman one bit at all. He's not a pitcher. He will be just as good if not better.

hes also not having it. it was discussed but i'm pretty sure they decided he didnt need it. dan quinn leaving is like gus bradley leaving a couple of years ago, its pete carrolls D and they have some great defensive players. they're a good team and will be in the mix again next year. i know its tough for some around here to throw them props.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Why? Because they went out and got a $10 mill a year tight end who DOES NOT fit in their offense? Sherman is injured and need Tommy John, Earl is injured needs surgery as does Kam, and Maxwell went to the Eagles. Dan Quinn went to the falcons. To me this was a desperation move because they know the defense won't be the same.

Makes sense.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
This is the offseason from hell.

hell with class...

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

They should be the overwhelming favorite to win the Super Bowl.

Why? Because they went out and got a $10 mill a year tight end who DOES NOT fit in their offense? Sherman is injured and need Tommy John, Earl is injured needs surgery as does Kam, and Maxwell went to the Eagles. Dan Quinn went to the falcons. To me this was a desperation move because they know the defense won't be the same.

Tommy John won't effect Sherman one bit at all. He's not a pitcher. He will be just as good if not better.

hes also not having it. it was discussed but i'm pretty sure they decided he didnt need it. dan quinn leaving is like gus bradley leaving a couple of years ago, its pete carrolls D and they have some great defensive players. they're a good team and will be in the mix again next year. i know its tough for some around here to throw them props.

They are gonna roll the dice on Sherman. Hoping that it heals on its own, if not they will have to do a surgery. They are pretty confident that it will heal tho.

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:
I can't fault you for lacking the depth and breadth required to be objective about your limited perspective. 15 years of watching football isn't enough for you to call Gronk the GOAT, and your overinflation of his attributes in other eras shows that you have limited, to no point of personal reference to speak of. LBs and Safeties in the 70s and 80s weren't slower in game speed compared to to today's players - that's a misconception. There were players in those eras named Ronnie Lott, Andre Watters, Lawrence Taylor, Rod Woodson, Derrick Brooks who would either knock Gronk out, or hold him catchless. Gronk's game is for today's rules, and that goes for any receiving TE today. And as far as blocking goes, players like Derrick Thomas and Rickey Jackson would blow up Gronk on every play. I'm not going to convince your limited perspective on any of these facts, I realize that. But from one football fan to another, I think you should hear it. It's for your own edification.

You're not going to impress anyone here by trying to use eloquent language. It's funny that you turned to that instead of giving a single example of a player who was a better TE than Gronkowski. Kellen Winslow Sr is probably the closest example there is, but I would argue that he stood out because players weren't as big back then. Ronnie Lott wouldn't have done anything to Gronkowski. He was impressive back then because he threw his body around dangerously, but Gronk would have dominated him (Lott was 6'0 205 pounds, Gronk is 6'6 270). Brooks was an impressive linebacker in coverage, but he wasn't a linebacker who lit you up and he'd be giving up 6 inches and a lot of strength to Gronk. Taylor couldn't have covered Gronkowski in his dreams.

Players were slower in the 70's and 80's in track speed and I see no reason to believe that they had better instincts in order to be as fast in game speed. Players today watch way more film so if anything, I would expect there to be a bigger difference in game speed because they can see plays and react faster. Derrick Brooks is the only player you mentioned who match up well with Gronkowski, but he would still need help because he's giving up a lot of size. They're definitely not holding him catchless which is an absurd claim. By no means did I learn anything from your post. At least Quest offered a counter-example that makes some sense even though I believe Kellen Winslow Sr stood out more because the players in his era were less impressive.

It's embarrassing that you thought you proved something by listing a bunch of Hall of Famers who don't even match up well with Gronkowski and claiming they would hold him catchless. Gronkowski is a throwback TE whose game would work in any era. He's not a receiving TE - he's an all-around TE who happens to be great at receiving, but is also great as a blocker. He's one of the strongest TE's to play the game and is bigger and stronger than most offensive linemen who played in the 70's.

I'm surprised you didn't try arguing that players in the 70's and 80's were the same size. It would fit well with the rest of your argument.

Here is an interesting article that shows how the size of NFL players has changed over time.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-50s-tim-tebow-would-have-been-an-offensive-lineman-2011-10

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They should be the overwhelming favorite to win the Super Bowl.

Why? Because they went out and got a $10 mill a year tight end who DOES NOT fit in their offense? Sherman is injured and need Tommy John, Earl is injured needs surgery as does Kam, and Maxwell went to the Eagles. Dan Quinn went to the falcons. To me this was a desperation move because they know the defense won't be the same.

Tommy John won't effect Sherman one bit at all. He's not a pitcher. He will be just as good if not better.

hes also not having it. it was discussed but i'm pretty sure they decided he didnt need it. dan quinn leaving is like gus bradley leaving a couple of years ago, its pete carrolls D and they have some great defensive players. they're a good team and will be in the mix again next year. i know its tough for some around here to throw them props.

They are gonna roll the dice on Sherman. Hoping that it heals on its own, if not they will have to do a surgery. They are pretty confident that it will heal tho.

They are gambling on it because they know it will put him out for the season. On the flip side not getting the surgery can aggravate the injury further and he may never be the same again. He has to use his arms to jam receivers. I don't think he will ever be effective as he once was at jamming.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

They are gambling on it because they know it will put him out for the season. On the flip side not getting the surgery can aggravate the injury further and he may never be the same again. He has to use his arms to hold receivers. I don't think he will ever be effective as he once was at holding.

FTFY.