Jimmy Graham to be traded to Seattle Seahawks

Originally posted by cciowa:
unsure how they can pay for him and try to sign wilson to a mega deal but whatever,,, actually i know you have to keep an eye on the division but really i am more concerned about our team and our team recovering from last years fiasco as compared to what others do

This trade for me was great news. The Seahawks are throwing all of their chips in and as you noted this could really hamper them salary cap wise. Seeds of their own destruction. This trade reminds me of the Harvin trade and the amount whimpering from the always stoic niner fans is about the same.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:

Lol, keep it up. You do know the meaning of the saying, right?

Lol

At least they won't get DGB in the 1st round now and they just lost 2 starting O line men. Gramh is good no doubt but that still makes their offense a little above average. They also lost a CB and depth at the LB spot.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Not much of a reader are you? I said I didn't see much of Sharpe in his prime, not that I never saw him play. I gave credence to Winslow Sr. based on what I have read about him and because his stats in his era were much more impressive than Sharpe's (and because he may not have fully recovered from his injury in 1984).

I'm done humoring you though. There's a huge difference in athletes today versus athletes 30 years ago as a result of differences in nutrition, weight training, the availability of tape, the growth of statistics, the growth of youth sports (and globalization in sports), and the increased money in sports which helps draw players and allows them to afford personal trainers, nutritionists, etc. If you think there's an even playing field in terms of talent between the 1980's and today, you're a moron. This guy stands out as much today as many of the players you are referencing and he stands out against a much more talented league.

I hope that when I'm your age and have a broader perspective, I'll view the world objectively instead of being held back by nostalgia.

What you haven't learned is that talent is timeless, so yes, the playing field is probably, and will probably be always even when it comes to rare football talent. Players today are more physically augmented, but talent is a whole other argument, but that was your word. Having great combine stats doesn't translate in being a better football player on game day. Today's League is not a more talented League. More physically imposing perhaps, but you don't have the experience to say it's more talented. So throw your tantrums and do your name calling, it's fitting for your youth. And you'll be lucky to be able to talk about Gronk in later years, citing that you witnessed his body of work and are able to compare it to other performances you've witnessed, 'nostalgia' or otherwise.

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Not much of a reader are you? I said I didn't see much of Sharpe in his prime, not that I never saw him play. I gave credence to Winslow Sr. based on what I have read about him and because his stats in his era were much more impressive than Sharpe's (and because he may not have fully recovered from his injury in 1984).

I'm done humoring you though. There's a huge difference in athletes today versus athletes 30 years ago as a result of differences in nutrition, weight training, the availability of tape, the growth of statistics, the growth of youth sports (and globalization in sports), and the increased money in sports which helps draw players and allows them to afford personal trainers, nutritionists, etc. If you think there's an even playing field in terms of talent between the 1980's and today, you're a moron. This guy stands out as much today as many of the players you are referencing and he stands out against a much more talented league.

I hope that when I'm your age and have a broader perspective, I'll view the world objectively instead of being held back by nostalgia.

What you haven't learned is that talent is timeless, so yes, the playing field is probably, and will probably be always even when it comes to rare football talent. Players today are more physically augmented, but talent is a whole other argument, but that was your word. Having great combine stats doesn't translate in being a better football player on game day. Today's League is not a more talented League. More physically imposing perhaps, but you don't have the experience to say it's more talented. So throw your tantrums and do your name calling, it's fitting for your youth. And you'll be lucky to be able to talk about Gronk in later years, citing that you witnessed his body of work and are able to compare it to other performances you've witnessed, 'nostalgia' or otherwise.

Burrying this hatchet. Gronk is indeed a monster that would probably be the next Dave Casper in another era. Read my PM. Still like me some throwback TEs doe

Calling Gronk the best TE to ever play the game at this stage of his career is like calling Demarco Murray the best RB to ever play the game. It goes without saying that Gronk is a physically gifted beast but he has only played 4 and a half seasons in the NFL. To be the greatest of all time, a player must not only have the dominant talent and yearly stats but also must sustain the high level of production over their entire career.

In short, it is far too early to make the claim that Gronk is the GOAT.

Also, do yourself a favor and look at the career stats of Sharpe, Gonzalez, and Gates. Incredible statistics sustained over long careers. I admit Gronks stats over his 4 and half years are beastly.

We can continue this conversation in about 6-8 more years.

Lol at the 10 pages of Niner fans trying to convince themselves this isn't a good pickup for Seattle.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by baltien:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

They should be the overwhelming favorite to win the Super Bowl.

Why? Because they went out and got a $10 mill a year tight end who DOES NOT fit in their offense? Sherman is injured and need Tommy John, Earl is injured needs surgery as does Kam, and Maxwell went to the Eagles. Dan Quinn went to the falcons. To me this was a desperation move because they know the defense won't be the same.

Tommy John won't effect Sherman one bit at all. He's not a pitcher. He will be just as good if not better.

hes also not having it. it was discussed but i'm pretty sure they decided he didnt need it. dan quinn leaving is like gus bradley leaving a couple of years ago, its pete carrolls D and they have some great defensive players. they're a good team and will be in the mix again next year. i know its tough for some around here to throw them props.

I think they'll be good next year but Jimmy Graham isn't "the missing piece." I'm sure Seattle knows that better than anybody. Congrats to them though for finally landing a receiver that defenses will actually care about.

Poor Doug is going to go ballistic once he's completely forgetten. Jimmy Graham's name alone>>>>>>>>>>> every Seahawks receiver since Steve Largent. Now he's just going to be that guy that did that thing the camera didn't show during the Super Bowl.

They weren't "missing" anything at all. They run Beast Mode up the middle and they win 2 Super Bowls in a row. What is this team missing? LOL.

Uh, they were missing a legitimate receiving threat which is why they continue to run Lynch into stacked boxes. He's just that good where they can get away with it. I know you just like to argue against, well, everything but don't be dense. The Seahawks were sorely lacking quality pass catchers and that's exactly why they traded for Graham. It's also why they gave up kings ransom for Percy Harvin last year.

And it's the reason why Sidney Rice is still laughing at them.

Even now, their current crop of receivers are garbage. Their ability to challenge the defense stems from the running threat. That's why you see teams just man up against their receivers and sell out to stop the run. Again, I point to the Super Bowl as an example.

Graham provides them with a deep threat that defenses will HAVE to respect. Again, I don't think that he's the only thing they need but he's certainly a big part of it. At some point though, they're going to have to get some quality depth at WR because on Lynch slows down the whole thing comes apart.

Originally posted by KegBert:
Lol at the 10 pages of Niner fans trying to convince themselves this isn't a good pickup for Seattle.

And then the 2 pages of us arguing about Rob Gronkowski as the GOAT

Graham should make their offense better and they still have time to replace Unger. At least they had to give up their 1st round pick to get him. I would have hated to see them end up with Graham and DGB or Gurley.

Originally posted by KegBert:

Lol at the 10 pages of Niner fans trying to convince themselves this isn't a good pickup for Seattle.

My mistake, mistook you for Maulbert

Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:

Originally posted by KegBert:

Lol at the 10 pages of Niner fans trying to convince themselves this isn't a good pickup for Seattle.

My mistake, mistook you for Maulbert

Lol I just had a mini freak out, I thought I got banned for that post. Thanks for correcting it so quickly though.

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:

Originally posted by KegBert:

Lol at the 10 pages of Niner fans trying to convince themselves this isn't a good pickup for Seattle.

My mistake, mistook you for Maulbert

Lol I just had a mini freak out, I thought I got banned for that post. Thanks for correcting it so quickly though.

Sorry dude

Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:

Sorry dude

No worries man

Originally posted by KegBert:

Lol at the 10 pages of Niner fans trying to convince themselves this isn't a good pickup for Seattle.

Lol I'm just hoping for injuries to continue to ruin his seasons..that shoulder of his seems weak...and a big thing is in no way does Wilson compare to Brees..

Originally posted by MntIdaGold:
This trade for me was great news. The Seahawks are throwing all of their chips in and as you noted this could really hamper them salary cap wise. Seeds of their own destruction. This trade reminds me of the Harvin trade and the amount whimpering from the always stoic niner fans is about the same.

John Schneider has already stated that Jimmy will be restructuring his contract, add that with the fact of not paying a 1st round pick and Schneider believes the trade will be a wash cap wise.