Jimmy Graham to be traded to Seattle Seahawks

Let's worry about this deal in 2017 when we are hopefully contending again

he'll make some plays but lets not over state it here. i'm hearing its the 1st real weapon he wilson has had and pete prisco put up a great point today on twitter, golden tate had over 90 catches in detroit this year. you didnt see that in seattle because they dont throw it as much. same with graham, his indoor video game te numbers wont carry over to seattle.

You know Mangini is licking' his chops figuring out how to stop Lynch and Graham! The 1-2's won't know what hit them!

Once he realizes that he might get wet (it rains a lot) playing outdoors, he'll curl up and fold like a beotch

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:

Gronk is NOT the best player to EVER play the TE position.

He is and it's not close. He could retire tomorrow and I would feel the same. He may never have the longevity of a Tony Gonzalez, but he's the best player to ever play the position. No one has combined his size, athleticism, blocking, and receiving ability.

Kellen Winslow Sr by far and away owns all this categories mentioned.
And that isn't even up for debate

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:
Uhhh...you must have just started watching football 5 years ago. Even for Gronk's highly specialized skill set, there have been players who have done what he does on a higher level. You also forgot (or are completely unaware of) the state of defensive football in the modern era, of which Gronk's stats are the beneficiary of. He is a product of the modern game and is absolutely not the GOAT of TEs in the NFL.

Highly specialized skill set? He does everything a TE has ever needed to do. Gonzalez was a player with a specialized skill set most of his career until he learned how to block. I'm not calling Gronk the best TE because of his stats which I agree are inflated by defensive rules. His skill set and size are unique in the history of the NFL. The guy is 6'6 270 with good length, speed, and hands, he is a very willing blocker, and he is incredibly difficult to take down after the catch.

I've been watching football regularly for the past 15 years or so, but players today are bigger and more athletic than they were 30 years ago or however far back you want to go. Gronk is a much better player than Sharpe or Gonzalez who are often in the conversation of best ever (I didn't see much of Sharpe in his prime, but Gronk is a much better blocker). If you put Gronkowski in an earlier era before the defensive interference and targeting rule changes, he is still too big for safeties or corners to cover and too fast for linebackers (an undersized corner/safety from the 70's or 80's isn't going to stop Gronk by putting hands on him down the field). And this guy can block in any era - that wouldn't change.

And the argument that he wouldn't be great without Tom Brady doesn't hold any weight. Gronkowski is carrying Brady at this point in their careers, not the other way around. Brady is way past his prime as a player and it showed when Gronkowski was out earlier this season. We're seeing Manning and Brees regress as well, but Manning has more weapons than ever so it's harder to tell.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Going to be rough playing them twice without Willis to cover Graham! damn man. Nice move by them. Red zone machine.

Okay, one more time, because you in particular don't seem to get this - Willis hasn't been the primary cover guy for receiving tight ends for a few seasons now. That player is Bowman. Bowman is faster. He's on Graham or Reid is on Graham. But in the case of the Seahawks, two guys will be on Graham because there are no other decent receivers the Niners D has to worry about enough to double up.

And one more thing about this Graham to Seattle thing. Graham is going to find something out real quick - Russell Wilson is not Drew Brees.

I was just about to post the same thing here..

as good as R-Wil is, he's not the PASSER Drew Brees is... plus, you gotta realize that the Seahawk's passing offense is 65% design on how to use Graham.. In Seattle, he'll have to get open and find his way to the open spot because Bevell's offense is based on a read n react "passing tree".

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:
Time for Baalke to sign a cover-specialist at the Safety position.

Just slide Johnson back over to the slot. Problem solved.

Mangini not scurred!

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:
Uhhh...you must have just started watching football 5 years ago. Even for Gronk's highly specialized skill set, there have been players who have done what he does on a higher level. You also forgot (or are completely unaware of) the state of defensive football in the modern era, of which Gronk's stats are the beneficiary of. He is a product of the modern game and is absolutely not the GOAT of TEs in the NFL.

Highly specialized skill set? He does everything a TE has ever needed to do. Gonzalez was a player with a specialized skill set most of his career until he learned how to block. I'm not calling Gronk the best TE because of his stats which I agree are inflated by defensive rules. His skill set and size are unique in the history of the NFL. The guy is 6'6 270 with good length, speed, and hands, he is a very willing blocker, and he is incredibly difficult to take down after the catch.

I've been watching football regularly for the past 15 years or so, but players today are bigger and more athletic than they were 30 years ago or however far back you want to go. Gronk is a much better player than Sharpe or Gonzalez who are often in the conversation of best ever (I didn't see much of Sharpe in his prime, but Gronk is a much better blocker). If you put Gronkowski in an earlier era before the defensive interference and targeting rule changes, he is still too big for safeties or corners to cover and too fast for linebackers (an undersized corner/safety from the 70's or 80's isn't going to stop Gronk by putting hands on him down the field). And this guy can block in any era - that wouldn't change.

And the argument that he wouldn't be great without Tom Brady doesn't hold any weight. Gronkowski is carrying Brady at this point in their careers, not the other way around. Brady is way past his prime as a player and it showed when Gronkowski was out earlier this season. We're seeing Manning and Brees regress as well, but Manning has more weapons than ever so it's harder to tell.

I can't fault you for lacking the depth and breadth required to be objective about your limited perspective. 15 years of watching football isn't enough for you to call Gronk the GOAT, and your overinflation of his attributes in other eras shows that you have limited, to no point of personal reference to speak of. LBs and Safeties in the 70s and 80s weren't slower in game speed compared to to today's players - that's a misconception. There were players in those eras named Ronnie Lott, Andre Watters, Jack Tatum, Lawrence Taylor, Rod Woodson, Derrick Brooks who would either knock Gronk out, or hold him catchless. Gronk's game is for today's rules, and that goes for any receiving TE today. And as far as blocking goes, players like Derrick Thomas and Rickey Jackson would blow up Gronk on every play. I'm not going to convince your limited perspective on any of these facts, I realize that. But from one football fan to another, I think you should hear it. It's for your own edification.

LOL!!! LOL!!!.. jokers!! this dude will get injured again... harvin2.0

Originally posted by zonkers:
This play should work better now:







Time to clench up Mangenius

trying to figure out their replacement for unger.

Is their line in that good of a shape? I understand that for a player of Grahams ability you do trade away Unger, but seattle has had oline problems and I thought he was one of their better players.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:
Time for Baalke to sign a cover-specialist at the Safety position.

Just slide Johnson back over to the slot. Problem solved.

Dontae Johnson?? There better be some help over the top. With a blitz package.

Originally posted by ads_2006:
trying to figure out their replacement for unger.

Is their line in that good of a shape? I understand that for a player of Grahams ability you do trade away Unger, but seattle has had oline problems and I thought he was one of their better players.

he was. probably their best overall lineman. but after missing 13 games in 2 years, they're a) used to playing without him and largely winning those games and b) legitimately wondering how much they can depend on him going forward health wise.

All 49ers bias aside, I don't think this trade will make much of a difference in how well Seattle does next season. Seattle has built their team the same way we have by finding steals in rounds 3-7. As far as Graham goes, he is a weapon but oft inured and he is use to playing in doors.