Does Bruce Arians & Karlos Dansby still believe Wilson is better than Kaepernick????

Plenty of people feel the same way, I'd say more people would probably prefer Wilson over Kaep at this moment. Personally it really doesn't matter, Kap's our guy regardless. I'm more concerned with him proving everyone wrong.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by JoRo:

Originally posted by Empire49:

Originally posted by JoRo:

Originally posted by crabman82:
he had a better season by a little bit, yeah kaep had wr's out while wilson was missing a lot of o-line pieces. all in all they're both pretty good and i dont think in order to like one you have to hate the other. they're pretty close in terms of talent and talent around them.

I don't know the specifics of SF injuries this year but I know Wilson has been without his top 2 WR over half the season and the OL has missed 20 total starts by the starters, not counting Mcquiston playing out of position half the year. He's had every excuse to not perform and all he's done is improve upon his incredible rookie year.

He did not improve upon his rookie year. His play was almost identical to his rookie year.

2012 - 252/393 64.1%, 3,118 Yds 7.93 YPA 26 TD 10 INT 100.0 QB Rating 94 carries 489 yds 4 TD
2013 - 257/407 63.1%, 3,357 Yds 8.25 YPA 26 TD 9 INT 101.2 QB Rating 96 carries 539 yds 1 TD

Very similar to his rookie year, but this is with the atrocious offensive line situation and injuries all around the offense. 2012 was a relatively injury free year.

there is no way in hell you can look at those numbers and say that 2013 showed significant improvement over 2012. They're almost identical, as Empire said.

Last year the Hawks had almost zero Oline injuries. This year the Oline missed about 1/4 of the total starts. If you watch half of the games, there seems to be an unblocked DE crashing down on him on every play. In spite of the complete lack of protection Wilson had for almost the entire year he still put up similar numbers. I'd say that's an improvement.

Originally posted by JoRo:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by JoRo:

Originally posted by Empire49:

Originally posted by JoRo:

Originally posted by crabman82:
he had a better season by a little bit, yeah kaep had wr's out while wilson was missing a lot of o-line pieces. all in all they're both pretty good and i dont think in order to like one you have to hate the other. they're pretty close in terms of talent and talent around them.

I don't know the specifics of SF injuries this year but I know Wilson has been without his top 2 WR over half the season and the OL has missed 20 total starts by the starters, not counting Mcquiston playing out of position half the year. He's had every excuse to not perform and all he's done is improve upon his incredible rookie year.

He did not improve upon his rookie year. His play was almost identical to his rookie year.

2012 - 252/393 64.1%, 3,118 Yds 7.93 YPA 26 TD 10 INT 100.0 QB Rating 94 carries 489 yds 4 TD
2013 - 257/407 63.1%, 3,357 Yds 8.25 YPA 26 TD 9 INT 101.2 QB Rating 96 carries 539 yds 1 TD

Very similar to his rookie year, but this is with the atrocious offensive line situation and injuries all around the offense. 2012 was a relatively injury free year.

there is no way in hell you can look at those numbers and say that 2013 showed significant improvement over 2012. They're almost identical, as Empire said.

Last year the Hawks had almost zero Oline injuries. This year the Oline missed about 1/4 of the total starts. If you watch half of the games, there seems to be an unblocked DE crashing down on him on every play. In spite of the complete lack of protection Wilson had for almost the entire year he still put up similar numbers. I'd say that's an improvement.

don't use numbers if your argument is for something that can't be quantified.

They also think the Cards are better than the Niners.

Originally posted by JoRo:
Last year the Hawks had almost zero Oline injuries. This year the Oline missed about 1/4 of the total starts. If you watch half of the games, there seems to be an unblocked DE crashing down on him on every play. In spite of the complete lack of protection Wilson had for almost the entire year he still put up similar numbers. I'd say that's an improvement.

oh so we can now use the offensive line performing poorly as excuses? well our pass blocking was dog s**t in a lot of games this year so there you go kap!

Originally posted by HessianDud:
don't use numbers if your argument is for something that can't be quantified.

I think that is the key with Wilson. He is not just about numbers. He seems to have very good presence in the pocket and when he does have to move, he keeps his eyes down the field. That is something that is not easy to teach, but Wilson seems to have had that from the very beginning. His ability to find receivers after he leaves the pocket is very good. Hence, he makes good plays, and prevents bad ones, that a less accomplished QB would not make.

IMO, Wilson plays in a more QB friendly offense with a more polished OC than Kaepernick. That makes him appear to be more in control, at least that is my take.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
don't use numbers if your argument is for something that can't be quantified.

I think that is the key with Wilson. He is not just about numbers. He seems to have very good presence in the pocket and when he does have to move, he keeps his eyes down the field. That is something that is not easy to teach, but Wilson seems to have had that from the very beginning. His ability to find receivers after he leaves the pocket is very good. Hence, he makes good plays, and prevents bad ones, that a less accomplished QB would not make.

IMO, Wilson plays in a more QB friendly offense with a more polished OC than Kaepernick. That makes him appear to be more in control, at least that is my take.

even though kaps been a lot better about it now (and yesterday was a perfect indication of it), Wilson has IMO been the more confident QB between the two IMO over the last two seasons and that is something that resonates throughout the team. kap however is definitely the better athlete.

definitely can't use numbers to compare the two, Boldin/Crab/Davis vs Tate/Baldwin/Miller is not even a discussion.

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
don't use numbers if your argument is for something that can't be quantified.

I think that is the key with Wilson. He is not just about numbers. He seems to have very good presence in the pocket and when he does have to move, he keeps his eyes down the field. That is something that is not easy to teach, but Wilson seems to have had that from the very beginning. His ability to find receivers after he leaves the pocket is very good. Hence, he makes good plays, and prevents bad ones, that a less accomplished QB would not make.

IMO, Wilson plays in a more QB friendly offense with a more polished OC than Kaepernick. That makes him appear to be more in control, at least that is my take.

even though kaps been a lot better about it now (and yesterday was a perfect indication of it), Wilson has IMO been the more confident QB between the two IMO over the last two seasons and that is something that resonates throughout the team. kap however is definitely the better athlete.

definitely can't use numbers to compare the two, Boldin/Crab/Davis vs Tate/Baldwin/Miller is not even a discussion.

Kaepernick appears to be a faster runner but Wilson is not slow by any means. Kaepernick also appears to have a stronger arm but again, Wilson has plenty of arm to make any throw. Apart from those two, I think they are similar in athletic ability.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
don't use numbers if your argument is for something that can't be quantified.

I think that is the key with Wilson. He is not just about numbers. He seems to have very good presence in the pocket and when he does have to move, he keeps his eyes down the field. That is something that is not easy to teach, but Wilson seems to have had that from the very beginning. His ability to find receivers after he leaves the pocket is very good. Hence, he makes good plays, and prevents bad ones, that a less accomplished QB would not make.

IMO, Wilson plays in a more QB friendly offense with a more polished OC than Kaepernick. That makes him appear to be more in control, at least that is my take.

even though kaps been a lot better about it now (and yesterday was a perfect indication of it), Wilson has IMO been the more confident QB between the two IMO over the last two seasons and that is something that resonates throughout the team. kap however is definitely the better athlete.

definitely can't use numbers to compare the two, Boldin/Crab/Davis vs Tate/Baldwin/Miller is not even a discussion.

Kaepernick appears to be a faster runner but Wilson is not slow by any means. Kaepernick also appears to have a stronger arm but again, Wilson has plenty of arm to make any throw. Apart from those two, I think they are similar in athletic ability.

true he's not "by far" a better athlete, but still better physical tools.

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
don't use numbers if your argument is for something that can't be quantified.

I think that is the key with Wilson. He is not just about numbers. He seems to have very good presence in the pocket and when he does have to move, he keeps his eyes down the field. That is something that is not easy to teach, but Wilson seems to have had that from the very beginning. His ability to find receivers after he leaves the pocket is very good. Hence, he makes good plays, and prevents bad ones, that a less accomplished QB would not make.

IMO, Wilson plays in a more QB friendly offense with a more polished OC than Kaepernick. That makes him appear to be more in control, at least that is my take.

even though kaps been a lot better about it now (and yesterday was a perfect indication of it), Wilson has IMO been the more confident QB between the two IMO over the last two seasons and that is something that resonates throughout the team. kap however is definitely the better athlete.

definitely can't use numbers to compare the two, Boldin/Crab/Davis vs Tate/Baldwin/Miller is not even a discussion.

Kaepernick appears to be a faster runner but Wilson is not slow by any means. Kaepernick also appears to have a stronger arm but again, Wilson has plenty of arm to make any throw. Apart from those two, I think they are similar in athletic ability.

true he's not "by far" a better athlete, but still better physical tools.

Not that it matters, but they both ran nearly identical 40 times. 4.53 for Kaep and 4.55 for Wilson.

Originally posted by JoRo:

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
don't use numbers if your argument is for something that can't be quantified.

I think that is the key with Wilson. He is not just about numbers. He seems to have very good presence in the pocket and when he does have to move, he keeps his eyes down the field. That is something that is not easy to teach, but Wilson seems to have had that from the very beginning. His ability to find receivers after he leaves the pocket is very good. Hence, he makes good plays, and prevents bad ones, that a less accomplished QB would not make.

IMO, Wilson plays in a more QB friendly offense with a more polished OC than Kaepernick. That makes him appear to be more in control, at least that is my take.

even though kaps been a lot better about it now (and yesterday was a perfect indication of it), Wilson has IMO been the more confident QB between the two IMO over the last two seasons and that is something that resonates throughout the team. kap however is definitely the better athlete.

definitely can't use numbers to compare the two, Boldin/Crab/Davis vs Tate/Baldwin/Miller is not even a discussion.

Kaepernick appears to be a faster runner but Wilson is not slow by any means. Kaepernick also appears to have a stronger arm but again, Wilson has plenty of arm to make any throw. Apart from those two, I think they are similar in athletic ability.

true he's not "by far" a better athlete, but still better physical tools.

Not that it matters, but they both ran nearly identical 40 times. 4.53 for Kaep and 4.55 for Wilson.

Good research. I notice Wilson is able to run away from all LBs that chase him and some DBs as well.

In the end, I don't care but it does go to show how loaded the NFC West is now.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JoRo:

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
don't use numbers if your argument is for something that can't be quantified.

I think that is the key with Wilson. He is not just about numbers. He seems to have very good presence in the pocket and when he does have to move, he keeps his eyes down the field. That is something that is not easy to teach, but Wilson seems to have had that from the very beginning. His ability to find receivers after he leaves the pocket is very good. Hence, he makes good plays, and prevents bad ones, that a less accomplished QB would not make.

IMO, Wilson plays in a more QB friendly offense with a more polished OC than Kaepernick. That makes him appear to be more in control, at least that is my take.

even though kaps been a lot better about it now (and yesterday was a perfect indication of it), Wilson has IMO been the more confident QB between the two IMO over the last two seasons and that is something that resonates throughout the team. kap however is definitely the better athlete.

definitely can't use numbers to compare the two, Boldin/Crab/Davis vs Tate/Baldwin/Miller is not even a discussion.

Kaepernick appears to be a faster runner but Wilson is not slow by any means. Kaepernick also appears to have a stronger arm but again, Wilson has plenty of arm to make any throw. Apart from those two, I think they are similar in athletic ability.

true he's not "by far" a better athlete, but still better physical tools.

Not that it matters, but they both ran nearly identical 40 times. 4.53 for Kaep and 4.55 for Wilson.

Good research. I notice Wilson is able to run away from all LBs that chase him and some DBs as well.

In the end, I don't care but it does go to show how loaded the NFC West is now.

well..... not named Navorro Bowman at least...



for the record, right now i think Wilson is ahead in development at this point. however Kaepernick is in a better system to succeed (better WR's, and an offensive HC)

I think Wilson athletic ability is more functional....

They both are athletes ..but I really like Wilson's combination of reflexes and quickness.

I think CK is light years ahead in arm strength and ball velocity.

Wilson played a pro style offense at Wisconsin so he learned how to read defenses earlier. He isn't better, just had more time to learn how to play QB as a pro

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
Wilson played a pro style offense at Wisconsin so he learned how to read defenses earlier. He isn't better, just had more time to learn how to play QB as a pro

Doesn't that make him better?