The Ray McDonald thread

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

I think we got a 50/50 shot at this, the fact that Goodell has not passed judgement/punishment is pretty intriguing, we all expected the hammer to drop quick. I think people at the party will deny it all, the players have already, I get the feeling the wife is gonna drop the charges, and change her story. It's what's best for business.

Were are of the players wives there, does anyone know? Haven't seen any reference. Their word would carry more weight than the players.

We really do not know very much, do we?

The police are investigating. The team is investigating.

Neither the team nor the police are giving us much information, and there is no reason for them to do so.

Ray McDonald and his girl friend are not, and should not be, talking.

The players and the other people at the party are not, and should not be, talking very much.

Timmy K, the Cohn idiot, Ann Killion, and company continue to wage their propaganda crusade against Harbaugh, Baalke, and the 49ers.

We wait and speculate; speculate and wait. Due process is necessary and good, but it is boring.

But hey, there is a game tonight.

Ann Killion is on a twitter crusade this morning to see that McDonald is benched no matter what on Sunday

Originally posted by AmpLee:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by jesserdumas2:
WOW, a lot of hate for Tim K. on this board. In my opinion his is the column most worth reading BECAUSE he tells me stuff I don't want to hear.

I used to get pissed at him during the Nolan years for being such a pessimist about what was going on but......he was right. That regime was a mess and he was calling it out nearly every step of the way. That buys a lot of credibility in my book.

Also, I don't think he's off base with throwing shade at the team for the way they handled Aldon's case and for sitting at the ready to see what they do with this one.

As a fan, I want Ray on the field. As a man, if he beat that woman and it was anything less than total self defense, I want my team to dump him immediately.

Do you know if he beat her? Does Harbaugh? Do the police? f**k...it;s like you didn't hear a word Jim said.

Seriously. What's so hard to get? Make judgements based on facts, not screaming reporters.

Tim Kawakami can write whatever he wants, but I think it's his effort to actually change an outcome that irks people. He's got an agenda, and it's one that doesn't help the team.

I hope we play Ray and he sacks Romo into that Dallas Star.

Its unfortunate for McDonald, but the niners should sit him at least this week

Originally posted by deepniner:
Its unfortunate for McDonald, but the niners should sit him at least this week

I agree with this, but I also agree that Kawakami has an agenda. The dude is cynical and bitter with anything 49ers, and it is downright personal between him and Harbaugh.

Originally posted by deepniner:
Its unfortunate for McDonald, but the niners should sit him at least this week

If they sit him they have to keep him benched until a decision is made. They can't bring him back after this week, especially if the defense struggles even a little, people will be screaming that the Niners don't care about the accusations and just want him to come back to help the team win. So if they bench him they have to commit to the idea that it will be until the entire legal process has played out.

Originally posted by DelCed2486:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by yossarian:
Kawakami said they should bench him with pay. And he's right that the whole "due process" thing is for how the government is bound by due process before it imprisons citizens for crimes. It does not necessarily apply to employment situations.

I have said it before in this very thread, if you organization can't hold it self to the most basic of standards our country was founded on, what good is it?

Edit: also I find the idea that you think of due process as something our government is "bound by" and not a persons right as a free citizen incredibly alarming.

That's a pretty simplistic way to look at it...go ask anyone serving in the US Armed Forces if they have, oh, "freedom of speech" the same as civillians do. There are gray areas, there is context...it's just not always as simple as "innocent until proven guility." I used to work at LLNL with a Q-clearance (Top Secret)...just the act of being arrested--not charged, not convicted--but just arrested was enough to have my clearance suspended and investigation launched. There's no shortage of examples where just being arrested can impact your employment in some way.

PR is a large and important part of the corporate world, and the 49ers are just as much a corporation as they are a football team....and even though not exact same circumstances, the fact remains it was a PR black eye letting Aldon Smith play in the Colts game last year, so it's crazy to think that the 49ers aren't giving very serious consideration to benching McDonald at least for this week, even if it's before "due process" has played itself out.

And remember, it ain't just some snark and criticism from people like Kawakami, Peter King, et al. that the 49ers are worried about...it's Yahoo, Brocade, Levi Strauss, etc., a bunch of corporate partners smack dab in the heart of the hyper-sensitive Bay Area. I'm not saying they have input or are trying to influence what the 49ers do, but I'm sure they are actively folllowing events as they unfold.

Military service is completely different than being a private citizen. If you cant see that there is no talking to you on this subject.

Originally posted by sking20854:

Originally posted by deepniner:
Its unfortunate for McDonald, but the niners should sit him at least this week

If they sit him they have to keep him benched until a decision is made. They can't bring him back after this week, especially if the defense struggles even a little, people will be screaming that the Niners don't care about the accusations and just want him to come back to help the team win. So if they bench him they have to commit to the idea that it will be until the entire legal process has played out.

This...You have to look at it as all or nothing. If you bench him, you have to bench him until the verdict in an eventual trial or the complete dismisal of charges. Which will likely take months and could damage his entire career. What if he is found completely innocent? Then you have punished an innocent man for being a victim of baseless accusation.

As i have said before...if he is found guilty I want him off the team...no suspension, no second chance, no room for arguement and I hope the judge throws the book at him as well....but until that day you have to treat him as fairly as anyone else accused of any crime. If it was a failed drug test, or a hit and run instead of a domestic would everyone be calling for his head? NO. This is simply a lynch mob mentallity formed in the moment due to the Ray Rice fiasco. The nature of the crime you are accused of doesnt suddenly change due process and simply being accused of a crime shouldnt jeapordize a persons employment.

Excuse my language mods but this b*tch is full of it. ..comparing murder to domestic violence is totally diff.

Double post

Originally posted by deepniner:
Its unfortunate for McDonald, but the niners should sit him at least this week

This is just plain dumb.

Originally posted by 49ersOnMINE:
Excuse my language mods but this b*tch is full of it. ..comparing murder to domestic violence is totally diff.

My problem with her tweet is that O. Lloyd was murdered on the 17th, Hernandez' home was searched on the 18th, and Hernandez was arrested and released on the 26th of June. By that point the Patriots already knew what had happened and had deemed him guilty. They were given the opportunity to look at the facts.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by DelCed2486:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by yossarian:

Kawakami said they should bench him with pay. And he's right that the whole "due process" thing is for how the government is bound by due process before it imprisons citizens for crimes. It does not necessarily apply to employment situations.

I have said it before in this very thread, if you organization can't hold it self to the most basic of standards our country was founded on, what good is it?

Edit: also I find the idea that you think of due process as something our government is "bound by" and not a persons right as a free citizen incredibly alarming.

That's a pretty simplistic way to look at it...go ask anyone serving in the US Armed Forces if they have, oh, "freedom of speech" the same as civillians do. There are gray areas, there is context...it's just not always as simple as "innocent until proven guility." I used to work at LLNL with a Q-clearance (Top Secret)...just the act of being arrested--not charged, not convicted--but just arrested was enough to have my clearance suspended and investigation launched. There's no shortage of examples where just being arrested can impact your employment in some way.

PR is a large and important part of the corporate world, and the 49ers are just as much a corporation as they are a football team....and even though not exact same circumstances, the fact remains it was a PR black eye letting Aldon Smith play in the Colts game last year, so it's crazy to think that the 49ers aren't giving very serious consideration to benching McDonald at least for this week, even if it's before "due process" has played itself out.

And remember, it ain't just some snark and criticism from people like Kawakami, Peter King, et al. that the 49ers are worried about...it's Yahoo, Brocade, Levi Strauss, etc., a bunch of corporate partners smack dab in the heart of the hyper-sensitive Bay Area. I'm not saying they have input or are trying to influence what the 49ers do, but I'm sure they are actively folllowing events as they unfold.

Military service is completely different than being a private citizen. If you cant see that there is no talking to you on this subject.

Exactly, military members live in a different world than civilians do as far as the justice system is concerned.

Originally posted by 49ersOnMINE:
Excuse my language mods but this b*tch is full of it. ..comparing murder to domestic violence is totally diff.

lol, what an idiot.