Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

I think it's absolutely reasonable to think that Baalke and Harbaugh may be butting heads. I also think tho that neither of them is stupid and knows how much of their success depends on the other. My guess is Harbaugh gets extended and they continue working together.

Maybe I'm just looking through rose colored glasses, but I doubt these guys blow up something that's working.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Jim having more control...

Who do you want running the draft and having final say? Nolan was good at finding talent, we don't know if Jim has that eye. War room arguments aka Sing and Trent fighting over Mays is not desirable.

We kind of do know. Stanford was a terrible program with no history of winning and Jim went out and got the right players and now they are one of the best programs in the country.

But will his roster moves mesh with our salary cap and can he work with Paraage if he supposedly can't work with Baalke? Look I think this whole thing is hearsay but if some of this is true I still have to trust Baalke and Paraage more than Jim when it comes to personnel draft picks and dealing them and the impact on a salary cap. In the NFL money is involved with a salary cap and not just scholarships and classroom space

Nothing i have ever seen from Harbaugh indicates he is some kind of meat head or burying his head in the sand when it comes to the salary cap.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Jim having more control...

Who do you want running the draft and having final say? Nolan was good at finding talent, we don't know if Jim has that eye. War room arguments aka Sing and Trent fighting over Mays is not desirable.

We kind of do know. Stanford was a terrible program with no history of winning and Jim went out and got the right players and now they are one of the best programs in the country.

Scouting QB's and scouting every position is a big difference. I'm not sure if I trust Jim to make a big board and use that over Trent's.

Harbaugh didn't just recruit QB's at Stanford.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I agree about paying him. He is worth the raise but I know Jed is saying win the chip to get the $8million annually. Can we really blame him? I love what Jim has done honestly but he has had his faults

Name me a coach that doesn't? Bill Belichick is probably considered the best coach in the NFL and he hasn't won a Superbowl in 10 years.

True but you have to understand the fact that he has won three championships for NE so they have to pay the man. There is no excuse not too. Just the same there is no excuse Jim is still making $5 million when Jeff fisher is making $7 million but to get that $8 million Jim might have to win the chip if he will get it from us

Then again it's all relative. Fisher earns $7 million but at that amount he is well above several coaches who have won SBs, John Harbaugh, Tomlin, McCarthy and Coughlin immediately come to mind. Now I get this is a different market with guys like Chip Kelly coming in and getting $6.5 immediately. Like I said earlier, give him $7 million a season that goes up to $8-9 million WHEN he wins it all.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
I think it's absolutely reasonable to think that Baalke and Harbaugh may be butting heads. I also think tho that neither of them is stupid and knows how much of their success depends on the other. My guess is Harbaugh gets extended and they continue working together.

Maybe I'm just looking through rose colored glasses, but I doubt these guys blow up something that's working.

Walsh and Eddie D did it, these two will find a way also. Mutually beneficial relationships rarely just blow up.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Nothing i have ever seen from Harbaugh indicates he is some kind of meat head or burying his head in the sand when it comes to the salary cap.

I didn't say that but we know that Paraage and Trent have experience doing that in this league. Jim does not and I think he needs to do as his brother has done and let Ozzie and Trent handle that. Give your strong input on player personnel and at the end of the day you let the fro t office make the call and you get us some wins. How realistic would it be to make Harbaugh the next Mike Holmgren after three seasons coaching? If and I mean if there is beef they need to cook it eat it and burn that fuel on making us better. We've got it better than most right here by the bay!

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Then again it's all relative. Fisher earn $7 million but at that amount he is well above several coaches who have won SBs, John Harbaugh, Tomlin, McCarthy and Coughlin immediately come to mind. Now I get this is a different marker with guys like Chip Kelly coming in and getting $6.5 immediately. Like I said earlier, give him $7 million a season that goes up to $8-9 million WHEN he wins it all.

Not a bad idea!

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Nothing i have ever seen from Harbaugh indicates he is some kind of meat head or burying his head in the sand when it comes to the salary cap.

I didn't say that but we know that Paraage and Trent have experience doing that in this league. Jim does not and I think he needs to do as his brother has done and let Ozzie and Trent handle that. Give your strong input on player personnel and at the end of the day you let the fro t office make the call and you get us some wins. How realistic would it be to make Harbaugh the next Mike Holmgren after three seasons coaching? If and I mean if there is beef they need to cook it eat it and burn that fuel on making us better. We've got it better than most right here by the bay!

I don't think Harbaugh wants to be coach/gm but he also doesn't want to have to defer to Baake on all decisions. Its also not as if Baake has been flawless as GM either as the entire 2012 draft looks like a complete bust.

Originally posted by Jcool:

I don't think Harbaugh wants to be coach/gm but he also doesn't want to have to defer to Baake on all decisions. Its also not as if Baake has been flawless as GM either as the entire 2012 draft looks like a complete bust.

It definitely is a bust but I maintain that a good bit of capital was shifted into 2013 and 2014 and possibly 2015. All the while free agency and the cap situation has been expertly managed for the most part with all the subtleties of bargain bin findings and extensions restructurings. The draft was crap in 2012 but the summer wasnt all bad for the most part. Baalke too is far from flawless but just as Jim is one of the top coaches in this league Baalke has assembled without argument at least the second best roster in the entire league and we have the best draft capital and cap situation between us and SEA without question

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by dj43:
I see absolutely no reason the 49ers should extend Harbaugh between now and the end of the 2014 season. He has done a mediocre job with a loaded roster that is capable of winning the Super Bowl. A coach should only be rewarded when he makes the most of the situation he has been given, not when someone stirs up a big stink about something that might have happened. Harbaugh has been a huge improvement over Singletary who was one of the worst coaches in history. Need to keep things in perspective.

I agree Jim had his shortcomings in the super bowl and this past NFCCG but the fact is we have arguably been the best team over the last three years under Jim. Now the problem is we have zero chips to show for it

Yes, that IS the problem. When you have the best talent 3 years in a row, or 2 out of the last 3 years, and have no chips to show for it, you don't deserve a raise. In fact, it is fair to call in question just how good a coach one is.

Very few coaches can do what Walsh did or even jimmy johnson did, that is to manage the roster and coach.

All those that have tried have failed, even SB winning coaches like Holmgren and Shanahan come to mind, as well as Ditka.

And I still do not know what is or is not happening.

We have a media storm, but not sure what else. Oh well, just have to see what happens.

Originally posted by dj43:

Yes, that IS the problem. When you have the best talent 3 years in a row, or 2 out of the last 3 years, and have no chips to show for it, you don't deserve a raise. In fact, it is fair to call in question just how good a coach one is.

That's tough bro! I think Jim deserves a raise but I also believe he has fallen a wee bit short of the chip with elite talent but we must recognize the last two seasons he is working with a noob at QB in the NFL. Jim has done great shy of the Lombardi trophy. He deserves Jeff Fisher money no doubt!

I was in town Friday when this news broke, but left for Tahoe all weekend and have no idea what has happened since. Can anyone get me up to speed with what's happened the past 2 days?

Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:
I was in town Friday when this news broke, but left for Tahoe all weekend and have no idea what has happened since. Can anyone get me up to speed with what's happened the past 2 days?

Mike Florio.