Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

Originally posted by dj43:

Interest from other teams would appear to enhance his value.

This would not be the first time an agent, working through various channels, had leaked information in an attempt to get his client a better/bigger deal (bigger commission for himself)…if it happened. The leak would be set up in such a way as to protect any real sources and any of the principals. It is called "plausible deniability."

You know what? We won't flinch. The Niners will set their price and hold to it just like they did when we hired Jim. Jim deserves at least 7 million per year but I think we only pay him BB money once he wins it all. Jed is about Super Bowl wins not appearances! It seems silly to say since we haven't won since 1995 but I understand what Jed is trying to do in principle

Originally posted by VDpwndMjenkins:

I agree with the latter 100%.If true,Jed should be the voice of reason."hey,I pay BOTH of you,calm ya asses down n work it out,OR ELSE"

Btw,what would be soooo wrong with Jim having a little more control??Does that take away from Trent??

And I honestly cannot see why they both cant be a team if true.If Trent has to pull rank too often,or Jim wont see reason,it wont work for long.

Jim having more control...

Who do you want running the draft and having final say? Nolan was good at finding talent, we don't know if Jim has that eye. War room arguments aka Sing and Trent fighting over Mays is not desirable.

Could it be that Jed and the front office know that this team is being held back by a certain coordinator and know that Harbaugh won't fire Roman? Roman is not getting a job anytime soon and with another year of pulling up the rear on all the meaningful passing statistics will be reason why. Extending Harbaugh means essentially extending Roman and if Jed is Eddie's nephew, we all know how Eddie would have dealt with Roman. Ask Mark Trestman.

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
I don't want there to be tension with Balke because he's responsible for this turnaround but until Harbs loses the locker room pay the man. If the players are still all in with Harbs, which they should be after 3 successful seasons, then there is no reason an extension should not get done.

I sometimes wonder how all in the players really are with Harbaugh. These guys are professionals and when they see him go ballistic on the sideline, or lose a challenge on an obviously poor choice, do they get embarrassed?

I've seen high school kids quickly lose respect for a coach that cannot maintain composure on the sideline and who makes obviously poor decisions. When the team is winning all is forgiven but when it loses, all that stuff comes back out.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

All in all both sides have done well but neither party will find a better fit. But I am a Niners fan and at the end of the day I side with Jed Paraage and Trent. I think Jim is on the same side as well and I hope he will be for years to come despite this ridiculous circus being created in the media. If I were Jim I know I will get paid and I know I am in the best spot

No doubt,this x10

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
If there's anything to this friction business it has to be over roster control/input, not compensation. This is all too surreal.

That is a common source of trouble whenever the coach does not have the final say. Baalke and Harbaugh did a very sweet little dance right after JH was signed around the idea that they would always sit down and discuss their differences and in the end Baalke would have the final say and that would be the end of it. If anyone around here believes it always goes down like that, give me a quick call. I have a real estate deal I am saving for you but it will expire in 2 hours. You don't want to miss out.

stop it! Stop it! Stop it! I can't stand fighting!!!

Originally posted by pfizz:
Can't lose Harbaugh. I have no faith in anyone else being able to continue Kaepernick's development as a QB.

What development is that? He looks very much like the same QB that was running around up at UNR.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Jim having more control...

Who do you want running the draft and having final say? Nolan was good at finding talent, we don't know if Jim has that eye. War room arguments aka Sing and Trent fighting over Mays is not desirable.

Good question....Final say should be Trents.You cant have too many hands in the pot.I take back what i said,as you said,the Sing-Balke stuff is NEVER good.

If there is truly an issue "upstairs",whoever the problem child is needs to get back in line or ship em out

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by dj43:
Interest from other teams would appear to enhance his value.

This would not be the first time an agent, working through various channels, had leaked information in an attempt to get his client a better/bigger deal (bigger commission for himself)…if it happened. The leak would be set up in such a way as to protect any real sources and any of the principals. It is called "plausible deniability."

You know what? We won't flinch. The Niners will set their price and hold to it just like they did when we hired Jim. Jim deserves at least 7 million per year but I think we only pay him BB money once he wins it all. Jed is about Super Bowl wins not appearances! It seems silly to say since we haven't won since 1995 but I understand what Jed is trying to do in principle

I see absolutely no reason the 49ers should extend Harbaugh between now and the end of the 2014 season. He has done a mediocre job with a loaded roster that is capable of winning the Super Bowl. A coach should only be rewarded when he makes the most of the situation he has been given, not when someone stirs up a big stink about something that might have happened. Harbaugh has been a huge improvement over Singletary who was one of the worst coaches in history. Need to keep things in perspective.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
I don't want there to be tension with Balke because he's responsible for this turnaround but until Harbs loses the locker room pay the man. If the players are still all in with Harbs, which they should be after 3 successful seasons, then there is no reason an extension should not get done.

I sometimes wonder how all in the players really are with Harbaugh. These guys are professionals and when they see him go ballistic on the sideline, or lose a challenge on an obviously poor choice, do they get embarrassed?

I've seen high school kids quickly lose respect for a coach that cannot maintain composure on the sideline and who makes obviously poor decisions. When the team is winning all is forgiven but when it loses, all that stuff comes back out.

In watching the locker room vids I think he still has the room for sure. However, as you noted, things are always cheery when you're winning, which we have been doing. I don't think the players would stand for this long if we were a middling team. However, I've seen some of his games even when he was a QB at Michigan and if there is one thing I am sure of, it is that Harbs hates losing even more than he enjoys winning. I honestly don't think any team he coaches, barring them being a complete disaster (no talent, no draft picks, inept FO, etc.) would be a loser for long. Look at what he did at Stanford, the guy wins wherever he goes, he hates losing too much. Just hope he's not an Andy Reid but their demeanor and philosophies are so drastically different that I see us breaking through and winning it all very soon.

Walsh and Eddie D clashed a ton too, in this case we have Harbs and Trent. Now I'm not saying Harbs is another Walsh, no one is but he is a winner and he also likes to have a lot of control, just like Walsh did. These types of alpha personalities tend to clash but are essential for success in the NFL. Walsh lasted a decade, no reason we can't get it done with Harbs. Walsh also won the big one and fairly often, Harbs has to do the same or people will tire of his intensity, NFC Championships notwithstanding.

Originally posted by VDpwndMjenkins:

Good question....Final say should be Trents.You cant have too many hands in the pot.I take back what i said,as you said,the Sing-Balke stuff is NEVER good.

If there is truly an issue "upstairs",whoever the problem child is needs to get back in line or ship em out

Prime example is the backup QB we had this year. First we trade Alex then acquire Colt. Then we draft BJ then we bring in Seneca then we cut him. We release BJ and sign Skelton. We cut Skelton and sign McBLT who we cut two seasons ago? Jim might be just about as jekkyl and Hyde with full roster control as he was with the backup QB for all we know. I see more maturity in the decision making of Jed Paraage and Trent so far. Jim is a great coach but to make the claim as elite you need the chip. He just got to the NFL so I doubt he is ready to do the job of Paraage and Trent. You have to manage a draft free agency a roster and a budget and cap space. No. Let Jim have major input on player personnel but his focus should be on coaching! He does a great job there we know

Originally posted by dj43:

I see absolutely no reason the 49ers should extend Harbaugh between now and the end of the 2014 season. He has done a mediocre job with a loaded roster that is capable of winning the Super Bowl. A coach should only be rewarded when he makes the most of the situation he has been given, not when someone stirs up a big stink about something that might have happened. Harbaugh has been a huge improvement over Singletary who was one of the worst coaches in history. Need to keep things in perspective.

+1

A guy like Harbs loves challenges. I would honestly maybe bluff a little tell him something like, listen we're going to extend you at the end of this season no matter what but if you win it all we'll make you the top paid coach in the league.

Now if he doesn't win it all, if we take a step back then maybe they choose not to extend him or at least they have a little more bargaining power, with Harbs and with the fans. There will only be one year left on his contract and although you've promised in principle to extend him you're left with some wiggle room. There will only be one year left on his contract, you'll be able to hardball him a bit and if we do have a less than great season, the fans might even be somewhat okay with it. It would be a dick move by the FO but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, just some posturing.

Originally posted by dj43:

I see absolutely no reason the 49ers should extend Harbaugh between now and the end of the 2014 season. He has done a mediocre job with a loaded roster that is capable of winning the Super Bowl. A coach should only be rewarded when he makes the most of the situation he has been given, not when someone stirs up a big stink about something that might have happened. Harbaugh has been a huge improvement over Singletary who was one of the worst coaches in history. Need to keep things in perspective.

I agree Jim had his shortcomings in the super bowl and this past NFCCG but the fact is we have arguably been the best team over the last three years under Jim. Now the problem is we have zero chips to show for it