CBA Thread

ESPN saying the NFLPA hasn't ever gotten the full document?? jesus...

So those saying owners approved their own deal. You are saying they negotiated for weeks and then just made up their own deal and voted yes on it.The fact is is the players are trying to make a last ditch power move to get more by asking for changes to the negotiated deal. They are being greedy.

dkaplanSBJ: Per ESPN, NFL gives players until Tuesday to vote

Originally posted by SportsFan:
So those saying owners approved their own deal. You are saying they negotiated for weeks and then just made up their own deal and voted yes on it.The fact is is the players are trying to make a last ditch power move to get more by asking for changes to the negotiated deal. They are being greedy.

Actually, there are reports that the owners stuck new stuff in their proposal that the players had never even seen before. You really think they should just blindly sign the deal, including things they've never had a chance to review?

Boobie24Dixon: If the Players agree to this deal,it will be a sad day in football,Fans don't want that,players don't want that,Owners shouldn't want that!

Originally posted by 9erVillian:

Originally posted by kidash:

Originally posted by 9erVillian:
Part of the reason the players are teetering on signing a deal is because they say need more time to re-certify as a union and that it "doesn't happen over night like the owners time line suggests." why did they de-certify in the first place then? all it managed to do was hold up a deal getting done.

They de-certified so they can file a CLASS ACTION lawsuit (which they did).

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what did the lawsuit get them though? they filed and lost when the 8th circuit took over. it seems like de-certifying was just going through the legal motions and was pointless in the grand scheme of things.

In order to file for a class action lawsuit, they cannot be in a union because unions have different set of laws. At this point, the NFL, from what I read, want the NFLPA to be a union once more so they can avoid a similar action taken by the players in the years to come.

The NFLPA, at this point, does not concede to re-certifying as a union yet. They want to read the proposals and counter them with their own. If the become a union once more, which in time they will, they will be held to a different sets of rules that they have to abide by. At this point, they have more leeway as non-unionized entity.

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Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by SportsFan:
So those saying owners approved their own deal. You are saying they negotiated for weeks and then just made up their own deal and voted yes on it.The fact is is the players are trying to make a last ditch power move to get more by asking for changes to the negotiated deal. They are being greedy.

Actually, there are reports that the owners stuck new stuff in their proposal that the players had never even seen before. You really think they should just blindly sign the deal, including things they've never had a chance to review?

I don't buy they negotiated for weeks and then the owners just through stuff in there and said there you go.

Originally posted by 9erVillian:
Boobie24Dixon: If the Players agree to this deal,it will be a sad day in football,Fans don't want that,players don't want that,Owners shouldn't want that!

Bulls**t, fans want to see football, and that's basically it.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by 9erVillian:
Boobie24Dixon: If the Players agree to this deal,it will be a sad day in football,Fans don't want that,players don't want that,Owners shouldn't want that!

Bulls**t, fans want to see football, and that's basically it.

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Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by 9erVillian:
Boobie24Dixon: If the Players agree to this deal,it will be a sad day in football,Fans don't want that,players don't want that,Owners shouldn't want that!

Bulls**t, fans want to see football, and that's basically it.

i think dixon left out a dont in there

Originally posted by SportsFan:
So those saying owners approved their own deal. You are saying they negotiated for weeks and then just made up their own deal and voted yes on it.The fact is is the players are trying to make a last ditch power move to get more by asking for changes to the negotiated deal. They are being greedy.

THEY HAVE NOT NEGOTIATED WITH THE PLAYERS, get that straight!!!!!

Everyone knows this was a power move by the NFL, not the NFLPA. The players are not trying to make any "last ditch power move" since they have not seen the offer. They are going thru the offer and making counter offer after. THAT IS HOW NEGOTIATIONS WORK.

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Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by 9erVillian:
Boobie24Dixon: If the Players agree to this deal,it will be a sad day in football,Fans don't want that,players don't want that,Owners shouldn't want that!

Bulls**t, fans want to see football, and that's basically it.

players are delusional thinking fans want whats best for them lol

Originally posted by SportsFan:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by SportsFan:
So those saying owners approved their own deal. You are saying they negotiated for weeks and then just made up their own deal and voted yes on it.The fact is is the players are trying to make a last ditch power move to get more by asking for changes to the negotiated deal. They are being greedy.

Actually, there are reports that the owners stuck new stuff in their proposal that the players had never even seen before. You really think they should just blindly sign the deal, including things they've never had a chance to review?

I don't buy they negotiated for weeks and then the owners just through stuff in there and said there you go.

You don't feel that the billionaire owners are capable of pulling a fast one over the players to gain some more money? That's a huge leap of faith you have in a group of rich guys looking to get richer.

Originally posted by kidash:

Originally posted by 9erVillian:

Originally posted by kidash:

Originally posted by 9erVillian:
Part of the reason the players are teetering on signing a deal is because they say need more time to re-certify as a union and that it "doesn't happen over night like the owners time line suggests." why did they de-certify in the first place then? all it managed to do was hold up a deal getting done.

They de-certified so they can file a CLASS ACTION lawsuit (which they did).

- 98

what did the lawsuit get them though? they filed and lost when the 8th circuit took over. it seems like de-certifying was just going through the legal motions and was pointless in the grand scheme of things.

In order to file for a class action lawsuit, they cannot be in a union because unions have different set of laws. At this point, the NFL, from what I read, want the NFLPA to be a union once more so they can avoid a similar action taken by the players in the years to come.

The NFLPA, at this point, does not concede to re-certifying as a union yet. They want to read the proposals and counter them with their own. If the become a union once more, which in time they will, they will be held to a different sets of rules that they have to abide by. At this point, they have more leeway as non-unionized entity.

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Makes sense. By law management can't coerce it's employee's to form a union and I guess the players feel that's what they're trying to do. Just sucks its one of the many obstacles left to deal with before a new CBA can be agreed to.

Originally posted by SportsFan:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by SportsFan:
So those saying owners approved their own deal. You are saying they negotiated for weeks and then just made up their own deal and voted yes on it.The fact is is the players are trying to make a last ditch power move to get more by asking for changes to the negotiated deal. They are being greedy.

Actually, there are reports that the owners stuck new stuff in their proposal that the players had never even seen before. You really think they should just blindly sign the deal, including things they've never had a chance to review?

I don't buy they negotiated for weeks and then the owners just through stuff in there and said there you go.

you are kidding right? This is a freaking business and loike any business the sides like to screw around. Thus why the reports are the Owners put stuff in that wasnt in yesterday. How hard is that to understand.

To think that the Owners wouldnt do that is crazy. They opted out of the CBA and they locked out the players. This a PR ploy to put all the pressure on the players. Plain and Simple.