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Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

If you're tired of seeing mediocre QB play, then why the hell would you want to put Davis out there?

The purpose of preseason games is to evaluate unknown talent....

-9fA

Probably has a lot to do with hope. Alex Smith no longer gives some niner fans any hope. They feel he has plateaued or is at least near his plateau and there isn't anything to look forward to. With Davis, even if he is mediocre now, at least there is more hope that he will improve. At least, there is more room for improvement.

And if preseason games are to evaluate unknown talent, why are all the folks down on Davis dismissing his preseason play outright?

Some 9er fans have always hated Alex Smith. As for hope, what has this team in general given us to hope for over the last 8 years? Sure we got Gore and Willis but as a team we have sucked.

As for your last point, most people dismiss his preseason stats because he played against 3rd and 4th string players who aren't in the NFL. The talent level wasn't the same in the 2nd half as in the 1st half when the starters and backups play.

So because there hasn't been any hope for 8 years, we shouldn't expect to have any hope now??

And then I guess we should only play half games in the preseason, since the second half of the games are completely meaningless?
Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

If you're tired of seeing mediocre QB play, then why the hell would you want to put Davis out there?

The purpose of preseason games is to evaluate unknown talent....

-9fA

Probably has a lot to do with hope. Alex Smith no longer gives some niner fans any hope. They feel he has plateaued or is at least near his plateau and there isn't anything to look forward to. With Davis, even if he is mediocre now, at least there is more hope that he will improve. At least, there is more room for improvement.

And if preseason games are to evaluate unknown talent, why are all the folks down on Davis dismissing his preseason play outright?

Some 9er fans have always hated Alex Smith. As for hope, what has this team in general given us to hope for over the last 8 years? Sure we got Gore and Willis but as a team we have sucked.

As for your last point, most people dismiss his preseason stats because he played against 3rd and 4th string players who aren't in the NFL. The talent level wasn't the same in the 2nd half as in the 1st half when the starters and backups play.

So because there hasn't been any hope for 8 years, we shouldn't expect to have any hope now??

And then I guess we should only play half games in the preseason, since the second half of the games are completely meaningless?

I just posted in another thread that if we get to 8-8 this season with the core players we do have there is hope. I think we make the playoffs next year if we improve the team speed on defense and get better offensive linemen. The year after that I'm hoping for a SuperBowl contending team.
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

If you're tired of seeing mediocre QB play, then why the hell would you want to put Davis out there?

The purpose of preseason games is to evaluate unknown talent....

-9fA

Probably has a lot to do with hope. Alex Smith no longer gives some niner fans any hope. They feel he has plateaued or is at least near his plateau and there isn't anything to look forward to. With Davis, even if he is mediocre now, at least there is more hope that he will improve. At least, there is more room for improvement.

And if preseason games are to evaluate unknown talent, why are all the folks down on Davis dismissing his preseason play outright?

Some 9er fans have always hated Alex Smith. As for hope, what has this team in general given us to hope for over the last 8 years? Sure we got Gore and Willis but as a team we have sucked.

As for your last point, most people dismiss his preseason stats because he played against 3rd and 4th string players who aren't in the NFL. The talent level wasn't the same in the 2nd half as in the 1st half when the starters and backups play.

So because there hasn't been any hope for 8 years, we shouldn't expect to have any hope now??

And then I guess we should only play half games in the preseason, since the second half of the games are completely meaningless?

I just posted in another thread that if we get to 8-8 this season with the core players we do have there is hope. I think we make the playoffs next year if we improve the team speed on defense and get better offensive linemen. The year after that I'm hoping for a SuperBowl contending team.


Hmmm, a lot of consensus that Davis should sit through next year so he can learn...which I guess would mean that the year after that he should be competing for the starting job. So yes, maybe we would be a SuperBowl contending team then.
Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

If you're tired of seeing mediocre QB play, then why the hell would you want to put Davis out there?

The purpose of preseason games is to evaluate unknown talent....

-9fA

Probably has a lot to do with hope. Alex Smith no longer gives some niner fans any hope. They feel he has plateaued or is at least near his plateau and there isn't anything to look forward to. With Davis, even if he is mediocre now, at least there is more hope that he will improve. At least, there is more room for improvement.

And if preseason games are to evaluate unknown talent, why are all the folks down on Davis dismissing his preseason play outright?

Some 9er fans have always hated Alex Smith. As for hope, what has this team in general given us to hope for over the last 8 years? Sure we got Gore and Willis but as a team we have sucked.

As for your last point, most people dismiss his preseason stats because he played against 3rd and 4th string players who aren't in the NFL. The talent level wasn't the same in the 2nd half as in the 1st half when the starters and backups play.

So because there hasn't been any hope for 8 years, we shouldn't expect to have any hope now??

And then I guess we should only play half games in the preseason, since the second half of the games are completely meaningless?

I just posted in another thread that if we get to 8-8 this season with the core players we do have there is hope. I think we make the playoffs next year if we improve the team speed on defense and get better offensive linemen. The year after that I'm hoping for a SuperBowl contending team.


Hmmm, a lot of consensus that Davis should sit through next year so he can learn...which I guess would mean that the year after that he should be competing for the starting job. So yes, maybe we would be a SuperBowl contending team then.

I think Nate Davis is a mystery. No one knows if he's good or bad. He could be the next McNabb or Young. Who knows. I just wouldn't pin your hopes on a better QB onto Davis just yet.
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

If you're tired of seeing mediocre QB play, then why the hell would you want to put Davis out there?

The purpose of preseason games is to evaluate unknown talent....

-9fA

Probably has a lot to do with hope. Alex Smith no longer gives some niner fans any hope. They feel he has plateaued or is at least near his plateau and there isn't anything to look forward to. With Davis, even if he is mediocre now, at least there is more hope that he will improve. At least, there is more room for improvement.

And if preseason games are to evaluate unknown talent, why are all the folks down on Davis dismissing his preseason play outright?

Some 9er fans have always hated Alex Smith. As for hope, what has this team in general given us to hope for over the last 8 years? Sure we got Gore and Willis but as a team we have sucked.

As for your last point, most people dismiss his preseason stats because he played against 3rd and 4th string players who aren't in the NFL. The talent level wasn't the same in the 2nd half as in the 1st half when the starters and backups play.

You're right on the first paragraph. I've said something on this topic before - at the end of every season, fans want hope. They want someone fired so that they can feel better about the upcoming season and release all their anger on someone losing their job. Whether it is a coach, a player, a coordinator, a GM, it's doesn't matter. Someone just has to be fired no matter how much of a direct or indirect impact they had on the non-ideal season or whatever reasonable long term reason there may be for retaining them.

What they don't realize is that this is EXACTLY what we've been doing for the last 7 years and it hasn't worked. Continuity DOES help in the NFL. I feel that fans just seem to miss the big picture.

As for Davis and the preseason, every year there's a preseason king. Thomas Clayton and Kory Sheets are prime examples. While Davis may be an exception, he hasn't had any snaps at all with our offense since training camp and has been limited to clipboard duty yet people want to stick him in a game "to see what he has". This is the same guy who came out and said that he has bad mechanics.

-9fA
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

If you're tired of seeing mediocre QB play, then why the hell would you want to put Davis out there?

The purpose of preseason games is to evaluate unknown talent....

-9fA

Probably has a lot to do with hope. Alex Smith no longer gives some niner fans any hope. They feel he has plateaued or is at least near his plateau and there isn't anything to look forward to. With Davis, even if he is mediocre now, at least there is more hope that he will improve. At least, there is more room for improvement.

And if preseason games are to evaluate unknown talent, why are all the folks down on Davis dismissing his preseason play outright?

Some 9er fans have always hated Alex Smith. As for hope, what has this team in general given us to hope for over the last 8 years? Sure we got Gore and Willis but as a team we have sucked.

As for your last point, most people dismiss his preseason stats because he played against 3rd and 4th string players who aren't in the NFL. The talent level wasn't the same in the 2nd half as in the 1st half when the starters and backups play.

You're right on the first paragraph. I've said something on this topic before - at the end of every season, fans want hope. They want someone fired so that they can feel better about the upcoming season and release all their anger on someone losing their job. Whether it is a coach, a player, a coordinator, a GM, it's doesn't matter. Someone just has to be fired no matter how much of a direct or indirect impact they had on the non-ideal season or whatever reasonable long term reason there may be for retaining them.

What they don't realize is that this is EXACTLY what we've been doing for the last 7 years and it hasn't worked. Continuity DOES help in the NFL. I feel that fans just seem to miss the big picture.

As for Davis and the preseason, every year there's a preseason king. Thomas Clayton and Kory Sheets are prime examples. While Davis may be an exception, he hasn't had any snaps at all with our offense since training camp and has been limited to clipboard duty yet people want to stick him in a game "to see what he has". This is the same guy who came out and said that he has bad mechanics.

-9fA

Good points. I think we have to ride with the QB we have because it takes too long to develop someone better than Smith. And, yes, Alex Smith, is better than an average QB in the NFL right now.

We need to get faster on defense and improve the offensive line. Those things we can improve on via the draft and free agency. There is no way we get a top flight QB unless we trade away key pieces of this team (Willis).
Move Davis to #2 qb after his off season work. Let him practice thru 2010 and keep hill as # 3 qb. If Smith has a good 2010, great. If not Davis should be about ready for 2011 or 12.
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by LeadFarmer:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Nate Davis would play no better than how Curtis Painter played last week.

-9fA

You can't say that until he's given the chance! Painter Sucks!

MVP = Peyton Manning

Painter sucked on probably the best team out there. His line is the best in the league. I'm speculating, but I would think that Painter was taking scout team reps, unlike Davis. Again, Davis would absolutely do no better.

-9fA

Thank you Nostradomus. Nobody knows how Davis would do out there. It's just some of us are tired of the mediocre QB play. We've seen Hill, and Smith and no one's impressed. In a meaningless game it would be interesting to see how davis would do

If you're tired of seeing mediocre QB play, then why the hell would you want to put Davis out there?

-9fA

Because some zoners got it in their heads that Nate Davis is the next great 9er QB based on his college stats (which most NFL QBs have similiar numbers and awards) plus a preseason perfermance against guys that aren't in the NFL anymore.

How about because some people have seen enough of Alex Smith to realize his awareness and accuracy have not improved, just his supporting cast. When Alex took over for Hill I was excited. He gave hope for a couple games and then regressed. Who knows what Nate can do, I just want to be excited for this Sunday
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I've been saying all season long that we won't be seeing him at all. However Matt Barrows just sent this tweet.
Quote:

With Shaun Hill nursing a bad back, fan favorite Nate Davis is running the scout team for the first time this season ...

Could we possibly see Nate Davis come in and make some garbage time plays?
Awesome quote by a Scout in an article by Kevin Lynch.


Quote:
The scout also said he's a huge Nate Davis guy. In five games he studied of the former Ball State star, the young 49ers quarterback threw only three bad passes. "I hope they don't figure out how good he is," the scout said. "That would be bad for the rest of the teams."

Davis, because of his learning disability, still might be more than a season away from knowing enough to run the offense.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=55860#ixzz0dVJ2tu5a
Originally posted by Joecool:
Awesome quote by a Scout in an article by Kevin Lynch.


Quote:
The scout also said he's a huge Nate Davis guy. In five games he studied of the former Ball State star, the young 49ers quarterback threw only three bad passes. "I hope they don't figure out how good he is," the scout said. "That would be bad for the rest of the teams."

Davis, because of his learning disability, still might be more than a season away from knowing enough to run the offense.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=55860#ixzz0dVJ2tu5a

The thing is, can anybody remember a rookie quarterback on the 49ers who looked BETTER than Nate Davis? We've seen a bunch of them over the years. And I don't know how many even compare to the accuracy, touch, poise and pocket presence that Nate Davis has shown.

Nobody has a crystal ball, but Nate Davis is certainly something to be excited about for fans, at the very least.

We've seen a half dozen rookies come in against the same 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th string competition etc, and not look HALF as talented as Nate Davis. He just oozes talent.

Like that scout says; what worries me the most is that we don't have good enough coaches to realize just how much talent Nate Davis has. The sooner he gets game experience the sooner he can grow into the player we need.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Awesome quote by a Scout in an article by Kevin Lynch.


Quote:
The scout also said he's a huge Nate Davis guy. In five games he studied of the former Ball State star, the young 49ers quarterback threw only three bad passes. "I hope they don't figure out how good he is," the scout said. "That would be bad for the rest of the teams."

Davis, because of his learning disability, still might be more than a season away from knowing enough to run the offense.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=55860#ixzz0dVJ2tu5a

The thing is, can anybody remember a rookie quarterback on the 49ers who looked BETTER than Nate Davis? We've seen a bunch of them over the years. And I don't know how many even compare to the accuracy, touch, poise and pocket presence that Nate Davis has shown.

Nobody has a crystal ball, but Nate Davis is certainly something to be excited about for fans, at the very least.

We've seen a half dozen rookies come in against the same 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th string competition etc, and not look HALF as talented as Nate Davis. He just oozes talent.

Like that scout says; what worries me the most is that we don't have good enough coaches to realize just how much talent Nate Davis has. The sooner he gets game experience the sooner he can grow into the player we need.

I think Davis should start now. Most would disagree. I agree that he looks better than any rookie we have ever had. He reminds me of Ben Rothleisberger in how he commands and uses a pocket. He can definitely absorb a hit and still make the throw. I think our team is missing the boat bigtime. Alex has NOTHING on this kid except the time he has stolen from the niners.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Awesome quote by a Scout in an article by Kevin Lynch.


Quote:
The scout also said he's a huge Nate Davis guy. In five games he studied of the former Ball State star, the young 49ers quarterback threw only three bad passes. "I hope they don't figure out how good he is," the scout said. "That would be bad for the rest of the teams."

Davis, because of his learning disability, still might be more than a season away from knowing enough to run the offense.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=55860#ixzz0dVJ2tu5a

The thing is, can anybody remember a rookie quarterback on the 49ers who looked BETTER than Nate Davis? We've seen a bunch of them over the years. And I don't know how many even compare to the accuracy, touch, poise and pocket presence that Nate Davis has shown.

Nobody has a crystal ball, but Nate Davis is certainly something to be excited about for fans, at the very least.

We've seen a half dozen rookies come in against the same 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th string competition etc, and not look HALF as talented as Nate Davis. He just oozes talent.

Like that scout says; what worries me the most is that we don't have good enough coaches to realize just how much talent Nate Davis has. The sooner he gets game experience the sooner he can grow into the player we need.

Nate still needs another year or two of refinement. I am willing to be patient though because in his limited time in the preseason he has shown more awareness, touch, and pocket presence than Alex ever has. Not to the same level, but I think Nate shows just a natural ability to play the game and his positon just as Crabtree did when he ended his holdout. I am going to give Alex 2010 and hope he plays functional enough to make the playoffs.. Then regardless push for Nate in 2011.
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

If you're tired of seeing mediocre QB play, then why the hell would you want to put Davis out there?

The purpose of preseason games is to evaluate unknown talent....

-9fA

Probably has a lot to do with hope. Alex Smith no longer gives some niner fans any hope. They feel he has plateaued or is at least near his plateau and there isn't anything to look forward to. With Davis, even if he is mediocre now, at least there is more hope that he will improve. At least, there is more room for improvement.

And if preseason games are to evaluate unknown talent, why are all the folks down on Davis dismissing his preseason play outright?

Some 9er fans have always hated Alex Smith. As for hope, what has this team in general given us to hope for over the last 8 years? Sure we got Gore and Willis but as a team we have sucked.

As for your last point, most people dismiss his preseason stats because he played against 3rd and 4th string players who aren't in the NFL. The talent level wasn't the same in the 2nd half as in the 1st half when the starters and backups play.

You're right on the first paragraph. I've said something on this topic before - at the end of every season, fans want hope. They want someone fired so that they can feel better about the upcoming season and release all their anger on someone losing their job. Whether it is a coach, a player, a coordinator, a GM, it's doesn't matter. Someone just has to be fired no matter how much of a direct or indirect impact they had on the non-ideal season or whatever reasonable long term reason there may be for retaining them.

What they don't realize is that this is EXACTLY what we've been doing for the last 7 years and it hasn't worked. Continuity DOES help in the NFL. I feel that fans just seem to miss the big picture.

As for Davis and the preseason, every year there's a preseason king. Thomas Clayton and Kory Sheets are prime examples. While Davis may be an exception, he hasn't had any snaps at all with our offense since training camp and has been limited to clipboard duty yet people want to stick him in a game "to see what he has". This is the same guy who came out and said that he has bad mechanics.

-9fA


If anything, preseason is a GREAT way to determine a backup QB's skill. The starter gets to work with the team that has been together the previous year. They know their assignments, run the right routes, know the plays, etc. It is relatively easy for them.

When the new guy comes in it is chaotic, assignments are missed, pass rushers come unblocked, the receivers run the wrong routes, there is little timing going on, just plain old throws into defenses. It is a lot harder for rookie QBs to shine in preseason.

Also, those college all-star types that are "mere" 3rd-stringers are pretty damn good. And they play preseason at a much higher level of enthusiasm and ferocity than the starters who are just trying to not get hurt.

Fans saw Davis do well under these trying circumstances. He even ran the two-minute drill to perfection.

Why then did they not work with him? You draft maybe a future star, pay him a ton of money and just ignore him. WTF is that? What is the QB coach doing in practice? Going over Raye's seven plays written on the back of an AARP envelope? Marking spots on the field to show Smith where to put his feet?

Smith has been given the job, which is fair. He deserves this last chance to shine. At the same time, lots of us see something special in Davis. Supposedly there are those in and out of the organization who feel this way as well. The coaches must at least try to develop this talent unless they want to hitch their futures to Smith alone.
Watch the Nate Davis highlight video. He was really rushed much of the time and he excelled. Most of our guys in the past have looked like Gio Carmazzi. I prefer to let Nate grow into the starter's role but if the coaches are just ignoring his training, I think all the coaches and management should get canned. If you watched when Nate was not under heavy pressure, he threw darts pinpoint on target. If he can manage to learn the offense and get some protection, this guy could throw 5 tds a game, each game.
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