You're making the pick at #27, who do you take?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think when people are complaining about BPA, it's more reaching for a player rds earlier, than the consensus. Rarely has this type of thinking panned out.

Nick martin
moody
punter
Aaron Banks
Latu
Pettis (trading up)
constantly drafting RBs earlier (and moving picks)

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This is my concern..im starting to think we actually had players like Nick Martin, Aaron Banks, Cameron Latu, Dante Pettis and myriad of never-used RBs as BPA.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think when people are complaining about BPA, it's more reaching for a player rds earlier, than the consensus. Rarely has this type of thinking panned out.

Nick martin
moody
punter
Aaron Banks
Latu
Pettis (trading up)
constantly drafting RBs earlier (and moving picks)

e

This is my concern..im starting to think we actually had players like Nick Martin, Aaron Banks, Cameron Latu, Dante Pettis and myriad of never-used RBs as BPA.

even if they had those dudes as their "BPA" they need to be better at reading the room. I mean they've said they had a 4th rd grade on Brock, but knew he could be had much later. They had a 3rd rd grade on Kittle, but knew they could have had him later.

Let's stop pretending we're smarter than everyone else in the NFL.

The argument about whether to take the BPA or draft for need has been going on forever. There isn't any right or wrong way to draft. If there was then every team would do it the same way. It always comes down to who is available when your pick comes up, how well they would fit in your system, how soon will they be able to play and so on. Lot's of reasons teams take certain players that fans may not like. Look at any of the hundred or so mock drafts. They're usually all over the place after the first 5 picks.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument about whether to take the BPA or draft for need has been going on forever. There isn't any right or wrong way to draft. If there was then every team would do it the same way. It always comes down to who is available when your pick comes up, how well they would fit in your system, how soon will they be able to play and so on. Lot's of reasons teams take certain players that fans may not like. Look at any of the hundred or so mock drafts. They're usually all over the place after the first 5 picks.

When ONE team is consistently going against the grain in regards to consensus and constantly having poor drafts…that's a f**king dumb approach or they're just very bad at talent evaluation.

even if you love a guy like Nick Martin, have some sort of idea how the rest of the league looks at him and his overall draft projection. They had higher grades on Kittle and Brock BUT had no problem waiting until later to take them because they had an understanding of their draft projection.

Also we're not talking about drafting guys a couple spots higher than their projection. We're talking rounds.

Go look at how Philly and Baltimore draft. They let the board come to them. Same with Seattle as of the past couple years.

imo this coaching staff has way too much say in who gets drafted.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument about whether to take the BPA or draft for need has been going on forever. There isn't any right or wrong way to draft. If there was then every team would do it the same way. It always comes down to who is available when your pick comes up, how well they would fit in your system, how soon will they be able to play and so on. Lot's of reasons teams take certain players that fans may not like. Look at any of the hundred or so mock drafts. They're usually all over the place after the first 5 picks.

When ONE team is consistently going against the grain in regards to consensus and constantly having poor drafts…that's a f**king dumb approach or they're just very bad at talent evaluation.

even if you love a guy like Nick Martin, have some sort of idea how the rest of the league looks at him and his overall draft projection. They had higher grades on Kittle and Brock BUT had no problem waiting until later to take them because they had an understanding of their draft projection.

Also we're not talking about drafting guys a couple spots higher than their projection. We're talking rounds.

Go look at how Philly and Baltimore draft. They let the board come to them. Same with Seattle as of the past couple years.

imo this coaching staff has way too much say in who gets drafted.

Since 2019 the Eagles and Niners have each been to 2 SBs. KC was the opponent for each game. The Eagles are 1-1 but their win came against a fading KC team. The Ravens haven't been to a SB since 2013.

I'm not saying the Niners haven't made some mistakes with their picks but other teams make thise same mistakes. The Niners made up for some of the early round mistakes with mid and late round hits. So either they got lucky or they know what they're doing. Having a good draft and staying competitive requires a little skill and a little luck.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Patton:
OL-DL-OL-DL

Nothing else matters.

Won't win many games with just OL and DL on the field.

While improving our trenches is the top priority and would lead to great success...doing it regardless of the board would be a bad idea. You just hope the board and the draft falls your way that you can go heavy on those units and still feel good about hitting the best guys on the board.

We won't be winning many games in our Division if we don't fix the lines either. Seattle is only going to get better with their young defense. It's going to take being able to run the ball and stop the run to beat Seattle. Scoring 3 FGs isn't going to be bringing any Division titles to town.

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Patton:
OL-DL-OL-DL

Nothing else matters.

Won't win many games with just OL and DL on the field.

While improving our trenches is the top priority and would lead to great success...doing it regardless of the board would be a bad idea. You just hope the board and the draft falls your way that you can go heavy on those units and still feel good about hitting the best guys on the board.

We won't be winning many games in our Division if we don't fix the lines either. Seattle is only going to get better with their young defense. It's going to take being able to run the ball and stop the run to beat Seattle. Scoring 3 FGs isn't going to be bringing any Division titles to town.

Adding a WR who can get open quick can help.
Adding a LG who isn't getting his ass handed to him on the regular can help.
Adding to a defense getting gashed would help keep games closer.

I don't want to get into the injury discussion again but people continue to point to us only scoring 3 FGs in the two games and overlooking the state of our team in those games.

It was not simply an OL issue and when you're missing your arguably best 2 DLmen due to injury on top of an all world LB, your defense will be off their game.

I think this discussion proves we have more holes than picks.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument about whether to take the BPA or draft for need has been going on forever. There isn't any right or wrong way to draft. If there was then every team would do it the same way. It always comes down to who is available when your pick comes up, how well they would fit in your system, how soon will they be able to play and so on. Lot's of reasons teams take certain players that fans may not like. Look at any of the hundred or so mock drafts. They're usually all over the place after the first 5 picks.

When ONE team is consistently going against the grain in regards to consensus and constantly having poor drafts…that's a f**king dumb approach or they're just very bad at talent evaluation.

even if you love a guy like Nick Martin, have some sort of idea how the rest of the league looks at him and his overall draft projection. They had higher grades on Kittle and Brock BUT had no problem waiting until later to take them because they had an understanding of their draft projection.

Also we're not talking about drafting guys a couple spots higher than their projection. We're talking rounds.

Go look at how Philly and Baltimore draft. They let the board come to them. Same with Seattle as of the past couple years.

imo this coaching staff has way too much say in who gets drafted.

Since 2019 the Eagles and Niners have each been to 2 SBs. KC was the opponent for each game. The Eagles are 1-1 but their win came against a fading KC team. The Ravens haven't been to a SB since 2013.

I'm not saying the Niners haven't made some mistakes with their picks but other teams make thise same mistakes. The Niners made up for some of the early round mistakes with mid and late round hits. So either they got lucky or they know what they're doing. Having a good draft and staying competitive requires a little skill and a little luck.

I really feel a lot of our success is due to having one of the top coaches in the league. I think if we had an average coach, there's no doubt we would be in the bottom third of the league. Other then Purdy we have not drafted a difference maker in quite a few years now. We will have to see if we do anything in free agency, but as far as the draft, at 27 draft the very best player if it's a safety take him if it's a guard take him we just need to start adding some studs.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think this discussion proves we have more holes than picks.

True. I wish we had another 2nd round pick that's for sure. But hey it's still early. I got a feeling if the 9ers do sign a CB like Riq Woolen (which I'm not liking the idea to) then Renardo Green could get us another pick in the 4th or 5th round maybe.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
When ONE team is consistently going against the grain in regards to consensus and constantly having poor drafts…that's a f**king dumb approach or they're just very bad at talent evaluation.

even if you love a guy like Nick Martin, have some sort of idea how the rest of the league looks at him and his overall draft projection. They had higher grades on Kittle and Brock BUT had no problem waiting until later to take them because they had an understanding of their draft projection.

Also we're not talking about drafting guys a couple spots higher than their projection. We're talking rounds.

Go look at how Philly and Baltimore draft. They let the board come to them. Same with Seattle as of the past couple years.

imo this coaching staff has way too much say in who gets drafted.

This times a 1000

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Since 2019 the Eagles and Niners have each been to 2 SBs. KC was the opponent for each game. The Eagles are 1-1 but their win came against a fading KC team. The Ravens haven't been to a SB since 2013.

I'm not saying the Niners haven't made some mistakes with their picks but other teams make thise same mistakes. The Niners made up for some of the early round mistakes with mid and late round hits. So either they got lucky or they know what they're doing. Having a good draft and staying competitive requires a little skill and a little luck.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
When ONE team is consistently going against the grain in regards to consensus and constantly having poor drafts…that's a f**king dumb approach or they're just very bad at talent evaluation.

even if you love a guy like Nick Martin, have some sort of idea how the rest of the league looks at him and his overall draft projection. They had higher grades on Kittle and Brock BUT had no problem waiting until later to take them because they had an understanding of their draft projection.

Also we're not talking about drafting guys a couple spots higher than their projection. We're talking rounds.

Go look at how Philly and Baltimore draft. They let the board come to them. Same with Seattle as of the past couple years.

imo this coaching staff has way too much say in who gets drafted.

This times a 1000

I think there is a fine line you don't want to cross where front office guys don't listen to coaches on talent acquisitions but IMO we have a situation where Kyle calls the shots, especially in the early rounds and he puts too much emphasis on his scheme requirements that it pushes us to draft guys higher than they likely should go.

If it works out that's great...but as we've discussed it hasn't really been that way. I think if we had a legit GM who partnered with Kyle so as to take into account what he likes but not pander to him no matter what we would have more success than we've had.

Originally posted by genus49:
I think there is a fine line you don't want to cross where front office guys don't listen to coaches on talent acquisitions but IMO we have a situation where Kyle calls the shots, especially in the early rounds and he puts too much emphasis on his scheme requirements that it pushes us to draft guys higher than they likely should go.

If it works out that's great...but as we've discussed it hasn't really been that way. I think if we had a legit GM who partnered with Kyle so as to take into account what he likes but not pander to him no matter what we would have more success than we've had.

I couldn't agree more a qualified GM making the final call would be ideal.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Since 2019 the Eagles and Niners have each been to 2 SBs. KC was the opponent for each game. The Eagles are 1-1 but their win came against a fading KC team. The Ravens haven't been to a SB since 2013.

I'm not saying the Niners haven't made some mistakes with their picks but other teams make thise same mistakes. The Niners made up for some of the early round mistakes with mid and late round hits. So either they got lucky or they know what they're doing. Having a good draft and staying competitive requires a little skill and a little luck.

We're living off drafts from 5+ years ago dude and MOST of those high end players weren't regarded as "reaches" can you name me anyone in the pipeline we need to prepare to pay a lot of cash?

I could argue we're getting to SBs mostly off great coaching vs having high end talent across the board yr after yr.

I think John H has been overrated as a HC for a while as well.

again, go look at the variance between SF and the rest of the league when it comes to overdrafting. They're #1 and I keep asking people to show me all these success stories of someone getting massively overdrafted in SF that turned into a great pick? You should NEVER expect your 5th rd picks to be the saving grace because of the early rd blunders.

Look there's a lot of stuff they've done well…we don't have to defend their draft philosophy overall because it hasn't been great.