Shedeur Sanders Anyone ?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't think it's clear he was worth more than a 5th. he was worth what ppl were willing to pay. this is not a big qb, or a strong armed QB, or an athletic QB. i hear him described as a 6'1 pocket passer who just puts it on guys. this is a league where brock went pick 262. there were only like 5 or so teams in on a QB in the draft. teams liked other QBs. if i am drafting in this draft, give me milroe at qb. if there is any unique element to the sanders saga, it's deion is a master of hype, and he hyped his son into being a top pick and kiper and that crowd bought it, but nfl teams do their own due diligence. no nfl team listens to mel kiper about anything. i think it's kinda wrong to be saying he needs special treatment or picked in a certain round, or else it sends a bad 'message'. i don't feel that way at all. let him enter the draft, and let teams decide what he's worth. that's what happened. now he gets to go play and prove ppl right or wrong.

So you're spouting all of this versus people who have actually watched the kid, and others who do this for living! Unbelievable

what you bolded is literal fact. he is 6'1. that's per nfl.com. he is known for accuracy. what are you disputing here, if anything, that i actually said?

there's a difference between kiper, who is not nfl, he's just a guy who started writing a draft guide, and clubs. they all watched the kid. kiper works for espn, which carries ncaa football. they made money on selling colorado football and hyping up sanders. that's how they earn their coin. teams make money winning football games, and loading up the roster with talent. so these are folks coming at it with different objectives. kiper is not a respected voice imo, he's just a guy they put on to get draft ratings and get ppl talking.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I don't watch ESPN, but I heard about Kiper, i sympathise. At least he was honest. NFL had DJ's available rankings up with Shedeur at 20. DJ and the others were very diplomatic about it. Only Rich Risen was calling it out.

I'm sorry but there becomes a point where the value is too good and we reached that before Shedeur went. Eagles took Hurts in the 2nd even with Wentz off an MVP caliber season. They called him an asset they thought would appreciate in value. I'm very surprised the Rams didn't do it. Even Deion couldn't argue with Stafford and you groom the kid behind him. Or the Eagles themselves, get a backup and then flip him for more than you paid.

No one outside his family thinks he's legendary, but the lowest I've heard him graded was a 2nd rounder, that's going by talent. I had him as a 2nd round grade, but after the QB tax, that's mid to late first. I completely understand that interviews and noise can drop you down, but 3-4 rounds? Come on, kickers and punters usually go before then, and you're telling me no one would to take s**t?

It's never happened to a QB before, it's also the first time Nepotism has worked against someone in the league. You hear coaches talk about NFL blood lines all the time, "he's been around football", "he knows how to be a pro" all of sudden it's a negative for this kid.

I don't like what I've heard out of the kid, and Deion hasn't helped him, he probably did deserve this to happen, does that make it right? Maybe

There has never been a nepo baby like Shedeur. I don't know how much that played into it but I don't think it's a positive thing that your dad has been your head coach your entire life.

I know I may ruffle feathers but I view home schooled kids the same way. A lot of them are weird, awkward, and can't communicate that good once they are in the real world. I have 3 cousins that were home schooled and only 1 of them is normal. The other 2 are awkward as hell.

I also don't think his dad helped any by declaring that his son won't be playing for any NFL team a few months ago. If I'm a GM I'd probably be turnt off by that comment as well. Why pursue him if he's going to pull an Eli Manning and not play for me?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I respect you DJ, and that's a good post, but how does the league send a message, without being unified on the message to send? The owners meeting wasn't long ago, they spoke about banning the Tush push, getting rid of chain measurements and changing overtime rules and you think it's nonsense that no one said "What shall we do about this cocky little pr*ck and his loud mouth dad?"

just to highlight this. the league has paid deion tens of millions of dollars. now they are paying his son millions of dollars. man i would sign up to be taught whatever lesson you think the nfl is trying to teach here.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by dj43:
He was clearly worth more than a 5th round pick, however, it is clear his rep, and his dad's, are not what the NFL wants as the face of the franchise.

Personally, it would have sent a better message had he been a 3rd round pick. That would have avoided the "collusion' (which I think is nonsense) talk, while still sending a message about attitude.

As it is now, we have room for a different narrative that doesn't address the fact he and his dad stepped on themselves and are now paying the price. However, the league is still a copy-cat league and once a player starts to drop, it is a free-fall.

I respect you DJ, and that's a good post, but how does the league send a message, without being unified on the message to send? The owners meeting wasn't long ago, they spoke about banning the Tush push, getting rid of chain measurements and changing overtime rules and you think it's nonsense that no one said "What shall we do about this cocky little pr*ck and his loud mouth dad?"

Do you even realize that you are equating deciding NFL rule changes, which is the league responsibility, to "what shall we do about this cocky little pr*ck", which is interfering in 32 billionaires' prerogatives. Fantasy world.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't think it's clear he was worth more than a 5th. he was worth what ppl were willing to pay. this is not a big qb, or a strong armed QB, or an athletic QB. i hear him described as a 6'1 pocket passer who just puts it on guys. this is a league where brock went pick 262. there were only like 5 or so teams in on a QB in the draft. teams liked other QBs. if i am drafting in this draft, give me milroe at qb. if there is any unique element to the sanders saga, it's deion is a master of hype, and he hyped his son into being a top pick and kiper and that crowd bought it, but nfl teams do their own due diligence. no nfl team listens to mel kiper about anything. i think it's kinda wrong to be saying he needs special treatment or picked in a certain round, or else it sends a bad 'message'. i don't feel that way at all. let him enter the draft, and let teams decide what he's worth. that's what happened. now he gets to go play and prove ppl right or wrong.

So you're spouting all of this versus people who have actually watched the kid, and others who do this for living! Unbelievable

Just watch the scripted youtube highlights and you can see for yourself that the kid can play QB. Will his success translate to the NFL? To be determined. One thing I noticed is that the spectacular plays weren't all just with Travis Hunter. He was creating highlight after highlight with a lot of his other weapons. Yes, he can put the ball on guys - but he seems to have a knack, a gift for doing so.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by dj43:
He was clearly worth more than a 5th round pick, however, it is clear his rep, and his dad's, are not what the NFL wants as the face of the franchise.

Personally, it would have sent a better message had he been a 3rd round pick. That would have avoided the "collusion' (which I think is nonsense) talk, while still sending a message about attitude.

As it is now, we have room for a different narrative that doesn't address the fact he and his dad stepped on themselves and are now paying the price. However, the league is still a copy-cat league and once a player starts to drop, it is a free-fall.

I respect you DJ, and that's a good post, but how does the league send a message, without being unified on the message to send? The owners meeting wasn't long ago, they spoke about banning the Tush push, getting rid of chain measurements and changing overtime rules and you think it's nonsense that no one said "What shall we do about this cocky little pr*ck and his loud mouth dad?"

Do you even realize that you are equating deciding NFL rule changes, which is the league responsibility, to "what shall we do about this cocky little pr*ck", which is interfering in 32 billionaires' prerogatives. Fantasy world.

This is why he didn't go higher.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Deion has coached his son at every level, and there has been talk of him wanting to continue doing this at the NFL level. Whether that is realistic or not, he will certainly be able to get access to a mike, and it seems probable he'll be chirping at the team that has Shedeur on how he's being used. That is a distraction that no team needs, and nobody wanted to volunteer for. It finally took the team that is the absolute stupidest when it comes to quarterbacks to do it, with some reports that it took ownership influence to get it done, with grim faces in their war room. I don't see how race comes into this.

Shedeur lost around $30+M for his rookie NFL contract .

but his brand Legendary got estimated almost $1 M in free exposure from ESPN during the draft spot.

right now it's a loss , but it may not matter if he sets himself up for the lucrative 2nd contract and or his brand Legendary takes off from this exposure .

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

TRENDING: #Browns rookie QB Shedeur Sanders had a crazy custom-made diamond "Legendary" chain made for the draft.

The value of the chain is worth more than the signing bonuses of some players who were drafted.

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pic.twitter.com/njcJXkqAGD

— MLFootball (@_MLFootball) April 28, 2025

lol I guess it might be a tax write off for "branding" but what kind of flex is that when it's most likely his daddy's money? Most big chains look corny af even more so when you have it say "Legendary" and haven't even stepped onto a nfl practice field .

I think Browns end up cutting a veteran. They're not gonna cut Dillion Gabriel 3rd round pick and I bet they don't want to risk losing Shedeur Sanders.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by dj43:
He was clearly worth more than a 5th round pick, however, it is clear his rep, and his dad's, are not what the NFL wants as the face of the franchise.

Personally, it would have sent a better message had he been a 3rd round pick. That would have avoided the "collusion' (which I think is nonsense) talk, while still sending a message about attitude.

As it is now, we have room for a different narrative that doesn't address the fact he and his dad stepped on themselves and are now paying the price. However, the league is still a copy-cat league and once a player starts to drop, it is a free-fall.

I respect you DJ, and that's a good post, but how does the league send a message, without being unified on the message to send? The owners meeting wasn't long ago, they spoke about banning the Tush push, getting rid of chain measurements and changing overtime rules and you think it's nonsense that no one said "What shall we do about this cocky little pr*ck and his loud mouth dad?"

Do you even realize that you are equating deciding NFL rule changes, which is the league responsibility, to "what shall we do about this cocky little pr*ck", which is interfering in 32 billionaires' prerogatives. Fantasy world.

I do realise what I'm equating it to, but do you realise the make up of that room? I can almost hear Jerry Jones' saying it and Woody Johnson excitedly second it! They've literally been caught doing it with Kap, it's far from a Fantasy world. Does that mean it happened? No, I have no proof, but to dismiss it as even a possibility, that is the delusional part.

If it's worth anything, before I knew much about the prank call (which was hilarious as it was harsh) my friends straight away said someone close to him screw him over. I said it would be someone in the league that leaked the number.

"A lot of times, when you go to these combine meetings, teams give you things to challenge you. Teams will have a player's worst plays ready for them. And say, 'Hey, why don't you explain them,'" Cowherd said on a new edition of The Herd. "Sheduer, apparently, didn't take to it well. And at one point, one of the few teams that actually was interested in him said, 'What do you make of this really bad play?' And Shedeur said, 'Maybe I'm not the guy for you.'

If this is true no one to blame but himself and he's lucky he got drafted at all

Originally posted by krizay:

"A lot of times, when you go to these combine meetings, teams give you things to challenge you. Teams will have a player's worst plays ready for them. And say, 'Hey, why don't you explain them,'" Cowherd said on a new edition of The Herd. "Sheduer, apparently, didn't take to it well. And at one point, one of the few teams that actually was interested in him said, 'What do you make of this really bad play?' And Shedeur said, 'Maybe I'm not the guy for you.'

If this is true no one to blame but himself and he's lucky he got drafted at all

If that's true it takes one team off the board, and doesn't at all explain his fall.

Again I've got no sympathy for the kid at all, I just don't believe the league played it straight.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I do realise what I'm equating it to, but do you realise the make up of that room? I can almost hear Jerry Jones' saying it and Woody Johnson excitedly second it! They've literally been caught doing it with Kap, it's far from a Fantasy world. Does that mean it happened? No, I have no proof, but to dismiss it as even a possibility, that is the delusional part.

If it's worth anything, before I knew much about the prank call (which was hilarious as it was harsh) my friends straight away said someone close to him screw him over. I said it would be someone in the league that leaked the number.

they didn't get caught doing anything with kaep. this is straight from google.

The NFL did not formally admit guilt in Colin Kaepernick's case, nor did they acknowledge wrongdoing. While the league settled Kaepernick's collusion grievance, this doesn't necessarily mean an admission of guilt, but rather a way to resolve the dispute and avoid further legal battles.

If the slide came from the NFL and the owners, then why did the owner force the draft of Shadeur when the coach and GM clearly did not want to? That goes against the expected result. Coach and GM should be chomping at the bit for the player and owner should be saying no, we dont want him.

If the slide came because coaches and GMs dont think he is a starter, think he will be a distraction to the team, think he will use media to try to get the coaching staff fired, think he dad is going to be on ESPN critizing his lack of playing time or the job of the GM to get the right talent, then they should be the ones not wanting to draft him. And only do so, when the owner steps in and finally demands the card.